Official Server rules discussion thread

[Prox]

The only person i see that supports low karma killing is you. No one else in this thread has stated they support it.

I'm not only talking about this thread.

[Deacon]

I'm not only talking about this thread.

I vote not allowed. Its really annoying to be shot for no reason.

[Shawn]

I'm not only talking about this thread.

Then tell them to post, but i honestly see no valid reasons as to why it should be allowed. This is whats going to happen

New person joins
Person fucks up first round because he didn't fully understand how to play
Random person kills him every round because he has low karma
New person rage quits and never returns.

Honestly i don't even know why this is up for debate its target RDM simple as that and target RDM isn't allowed An Admin has already stated  it is no different then RDM therefor it's against the rules.

[Prox]

I would prefer it to be not allowed either but when I asked about this thing before people were telling me that it is allowed and they would probably tell the same now.

Prox i understand you're only trying to help and keep the servers nice and clean but you CAN'T just take a rule that has been part of the game since forever and just turn around and say "Nope its legit now" These rules were put in place for a reason.

Perhaps this is why I'm asking for others thoughts about it? Also If you're talking about the low karma killing then people including some admins that I've asked told me that it is allowed. I also don't understand what you mean by "These rules were put in place for a reason." since there were no other threads or anything like that would say anything about that one rule.

[Shawn]

people were telling me that it is allowed

Well then they have been misinformed because it was never allowed.

[Frank]

Yeah, I think it's fucking stupid.

1. It's RDM because the only reason you shoot them is their karma level.

2. It's TARGET RDM, which is worse, because you shoot those with low karma in special.

[Deacon]

Well then they have been misinformed because it was never allowed.

Nor should it be. What can happen:

You are inclined to take more of a risk because the loss is less.
People are much more likely to shoot someone with low karma for stupid reasons, like, hearing them buy something.
That is a legitimate reason to suspect someone, even if its very stupid.

It shouldn't need to be a rule. RDM'ing someone because they have low karma, not allowed.
Killing a low karma for doing something suspicious, allowed but frowned upon

[Frank]

Nor should it be. What can happen:

You are inclined to take more of a risk because the loss is less.
People are much more likely to shoot someone with low karma for stupid reasons, like, hearing them buy something.
That is a legitimate reason to suspect someone, even if its very stupid.

It shouldn't need to be a rule. RDM'ing someone because they have low karma, not allowed.
Killing a low karma for doing something suspicious, allowed but frowned upon

But it's not allowed to kill someone with good karma for doing something suspicious? Seriously, treating people based on their karma is super stupid.

[Don]

coolz himself has said once that low karma RDM is allowed.

There is absolutely NO difference between low karma RDM and regular RDM. It's counted like any other RDM, so if a person overdoes it, BAN THEM.

This discussion is really stupid and again, it is really dumb to include any reason about it at all in the first place.

[Shawn]

coolz himself has said once that low karma RDM is allowed.

I was under the impressing that was only referring to people known for RDMing which is the cause of there low karma not just for random people with low karma.

[Prox]

coolz himself has said once that low karma RDM is allowed.

There is absolutely NO difference between low karma RDM and regular RDM. It's counted like any other RDM, so if a person overdoes it, BAN THEM.

This discussion is really stupid and again, it is really dumb to include any reason about it at all in the first place.

Even if coolz himself says that something is allowed I think that if majority of ranked members disagree with him the rule should be changed to the favor of theirs.

And I don't think that this discussion is stupid since there are quite a few or quite a lot of members that disagree with this being allowed. If this is going to continue I think that we need to make a vote on this.



I also changed the thread a bit.

[Deacon]

But it's not allowed to kill someone with good karma for doing something suspicious? Seriously, treating people based on their karma is super stupid.

Who said that? It is allowed. Just really stupid.

[coolzeldad]

Essentially what I was saying, was that the karma system is put in place for a few reasons.

If you consider the players with substantially lower karma, the point is that there is less to lose when you kill them.

What this means is that since it is less risk for the player's karma, AND THEY LEGITIMATELY SUSPECT THEM, they should be more inclined to kill them.

I never agreed with just killing low karma people for no reason. I was saying it's intended to be less risk to shoot a suspect if they have low karma.

I hope this clears up the discussion.

[Prox]

Then I believe that killing other players just because they have low karma should not be allowed.
If someone still wants to say something about this then do so.


I changed one of the Zs rules:

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16. Making sky cades aka tree houses that are high enough that zombies aren't able to damage it from below is allowed

And one of the TTT:

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16. Killing someone because they have low karma is not allowed

Those aren't added to the real rule list yet but I'm planning to do that at the end of the day.

[Don]

Basically coolz just said what I have been saying.

There is no difference in killing high and low karma people.

It's both RDM.

After all, RDM still means random death match.

I still think it's really stupid to include a rule for it.