The fucking karma system

[Seb]

i just killed 6 people as a t with 540 karma.

Seriously don't understand the gripes.

>hey i can do it why can't you do it

[ursus]

Sabb is right you guys. i just proved that you don't need 1000 karma to be effective. seriously. you should have to gain your karma because then you won't lose it on all the rdmers. starting at 4  means everyone is equal and if you accidently kill someone you won't jose much

Just because you can do something doesn't mean that everyone else should be expected to. If you think that I'm wrong in saying that, then you're a sad human being and I pity you.

[Deacon]

Just because you can do something doesn't mean that everyone else should be expected to. If you think that I'm wrong in saying that, then you're a sad human being and I pity you.

You are not seriously suggesting that I think I am better than any of you at this game. I'm not better than anyone, at any game. That's the point of me saying that.

Don't mind me though, I'll just live my sad life and be pitied by someone who clearly can't see the other side of the coin.

[Sabb]

Sabb, I honestly hope that's sarcasm.

That will lose so many players and prevent further new players who are used to other normal-karma'd TTT servers to continue to play on RND TTT, unless there's an extremely low chance that they like it.

I don't really see why someone wouldn't like it though. There's really no reason to complain that I can think of at least. I honestly just think that it would please the majority of players, definitely not to lose any players. I think you'd have to play it for yourself to understand what I'm trying to say really.

[ursus]

You are not seriously suggesting that I think I am better than any of you at this game. I'm not better than anyone, at any game. That's the point of me saying that.

Don't mind me though, I'll just live my sad life and be pitied by someone who clearly can't see the other side of the coin.

I never said that, if you read my post. You seem to be saying that you can do well with low karma, which means that everyone else can too.

[Deacon]

I never said that, if you read my post. You seem to be saying that you can do well with low karma, which means that everyone else can too.

I just showed that a player of any sort can still be effective. Which is exactly what you guys are arguing is the problem with karma loss. I'm not saying that, I'm showing it. I took the time to prove it. You can no longer say "With low karma, you can't kill anyone" because with half karma, I showed you can still be effective.

Your turn.

[Seb]

I just showed that a player of any sort can still be effective. Which is exactly what you guys are arguing is the problem with karma loss. I'm not saying that, I'm showing it. I took the time to prove it. You can no longer say "With low karma, you can't kill anyone" because with half karma, I showed you can still be effective.

Your turn.

>hey i can do it why can't anybody else

Deacon, the core of each of your posts is you saying that YOU are an effective player even with low karma.

[Sabb]

>hey i can do it why can't anybody else

Deacon, the core of each of your posts is you saying that YOU are an effective player even with low karma.

The fact that you -1'd Deacon's post and posted this pretty much pisses me off.
I think at this point everyone needs to shut up and leave the decision to coolz.

[Cake Faice]

I don't really see why someone wouldn't like it though. There's really no reason to complain that I can think of at least. I honestly just think that it would please the majority of players, definitely not to lose any players. I think you'd have to play it for yourself to understand what I'm trying to say really.

But for the side of attracting new players to RND?

New potential players are going to come along, find out about perma karma, find out about the -400 karma every map change, say "What the fuck is the server owner retarded or something?", and disconnect to go find another server to play one. I highly doubt a good amount of new players will stick around, being used to other normal karma servers, go on ours, register an account for the forums and read about the decisions and arguments about the karma system...to agree and stay with us. Maybe one or two might do that, but out of the whole TTT hungry gmod population? It's not going to work very well.

The fact that you -1'd Deacon's post and posted this pretty much pisses me off.
I think at this point everyone needs to shut up and leave the decision to coolz.

Well, deacon really wasn't making a valid point. Unless someone took a poll for fun with low karma to further continue the karma discussion here, it's not going to be the same for every player.

[Sabb]

But for the side of attracting new players to RND?

New potential players are going to come along, find out about perma karma, find out about the -400 karma every map change, say "What the fuck is the server owner retarded or something?", and disconnect to go find another server to play one. I highly doubt a good amount of new players will stick around, being used to other normal karma servers, go on ours, register an account for the forums and read about the decisions and arguments about the karma system...to agree and stay with us. Maybe one or two might do that, but out of the whole TTT hungry gmod population? It's not going to work very well.
Well, deacon really wasn't making a valid point. Unless someone took a poll for fun with low karma to further continue the karma discussion here, it's not going to be the same for every player.

Yes, in my opinion, he was.
And the karma shit I'm not saying they're going to do any of that? I'm saying they're going to play and end up finding it to be far more fun, as I'm sure that you would too.

[Cake Faice]

Yes, in my opinion, he was.
And the karma shit I'm not saying they're going to do any of that? I'm saying they're going to play and end up finding it to be far more fun, as I'm sure that you would too.

Well if they're hopping around server to server, especially right from normal servers with the normal karma system implemented, a good first impression that most of them are going to make is that the perma karma is pretty stupid, like a great sum of us did at first. But as for them, they'll end up disconnecting and joining a different server probably with the default karma system. If they find out about the perma karma on the map change, along with your suggestion, they'll really think it's stupid (in their perspective) that your karma stays with map changes.

Of course 2 or 3 players may like the fact that karma stays permanent, but will probably end up quitting if coolz implemented your idea, knowing that their hard earned karma depletes with map changes anyway.

[Sabb]

Well if they're hopping around server to server, especially right from normal servers with the normal karma system implemented, a good first impression that most of them are going to make is that the perma karma is pretty stupid, like a great sum of us did at first. But as for them, they'll end up disconnecting and joining a different server probably with the default karma system. If they find out about the perma karma on the map change, along with your suggestion, they'll really think it's stupid (in their perspective) that your karma stays with map changes.

Of course 2 or 3 players may like the fact that karma stays permanent, but will probably end up quitting if coolz implemented your idea, knowing that their hard earned karma depletes with map changes anyway.

I really don't see that happening though. If anything the complete opposite. Maybe 1 or 2 people NOT enjoying it.

[Deacon]

Deacon, the core of each of your posts is you saying that YOU are an effective player even with low karma.

I just showed that a player of any sort can still be effective. Which is exactly what you guys are arguing is the problem with karma loss. I'm not saying that, I'm showing it. I took the time to prove it. You can no longer say "With low karma, you can't kill anyone" because with half karma, I showed you can still be effective.

The "you" in this instance is the player with low karma. Do not say that low karma means you can't play, or damage, etc. THAT is what I was showing.


 THE CORE OF THIS POST IS THAT YOU DO A DECENT ENOUGH AMOUNT OF DAMAGE WITH LOW KARMA.

[Cake Faice]

I really don't see that happening though. If anything the complete opposite. Maybe 1 or 2 people NOT enjoying it.

Here, think of it this way:

We have xXCuntDestroyerXx. He loves to play TTT. He frequents popular TTT servers with normal karma systems. Those servers probably keep the normal karma because they don't have the rdming/trolling problem we do. He stumbles upon our RND server with perma karma + your karma idea. He doesn't know about either until the next map, where he notices his karma was significantly lower.

He'll ask the frequent players, and they'll tell him about the system and blablabla insert reasons here.

And this is where our views conflict.

With mine, he'll say "My karma is permanent and I lose 300 every map change? Who's fucking bright idea was that? Fuck this shit."

xXCuntDestroyerXx disconnects. He wont stick around long enough to think of the reasons and if he agrees with them.

With yours, he'll say "Wow, this system really helps against the baiters and rdmers, I think I'll like it here."

He stays and becomes regular.

Which one is generally going to happen first?

[Seb]

THE CORE OF THIS POST IS THAT YOU DO A DECENT ENOUGH AMOUNT OF DAMAGE WITH LOW KARMA.

FUCK, NIGGER

YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO A DECENT AMOUNT OF DAMAGE against people who are clearly very bad

BUT THAT'S NOT EXACTLY A COMMON ABILITY THAT EVERYBODY CAN UTILIZE.