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Agree with all

[ursus]

Agree with all

Not to call you out or anything, but do you even play on the servers anymore?

[Mr. Franklin]

Not to call you out or anything, but do you even play on the servers anymore?

Magic has been playing alot recently. Next question, do you even play on the servers anymore?

[Shockah]

Magic has been playing alot recently. Next question, do you even play on the servers anymore?

He has? Shiet son, I've seen Minic on a bit lately but as for Magic not so much could be timezone difference though.

[ursus]

Magic has been playing alot recently. Next question, do you even play on the servers anymore?

I've been on vacation out of state for the last two weeks. I just got home last night.

[Mr. Franklin]

I've been on vacation out of state for the last two weeks. I just got home last night.

awesome.

[Juan_Ambriz]

(sort-of bump but it's stickied)

So I've been wondering coolz, are you still considering promotions?

[Prox]

I've been informed that there are people who aren't too happy with me being promoted. Staying quiet won't solve anything. You can say it, I won't mind, but expect me to defend myself.

[Deacon]

I've been informed that there are people who aren't too happy with me being promoted. Staying quiet won't solve anything. You can say it, I won't mind, but expect me to defend myself.

I do feel that your persona wouldn't be very conducive to an environment which requires you to be calm and respectful. I do not doubt that you would take action if/when needed, but the way you would communicate that concerns me.

[Prox]

I do feel that your persona wouldn't be very conducive to an environment which requires you to be calm and respectful. I do not doubt that you would take action if/when needed, but the way you would communicate that concerns me.

I'm assuming that you're thinking so because of the recent discussions I participated in, which doesn't surprise me since there seem to be more people thinking the same. To me it seems that people are taking my arguments way too personally when in reality I'm not attacking them, but their opinions. While in most cases a difference in opinion is not important, but there are things like rule list where there must be one decision made. However if I'm being directly offended by someone, I don't hesitate to retaliate. Best example is Snivy.
   

[Deacon]

I'm assuming that you're thinking so because of the recent discussions I participated in, which doesn't surprise me since there seem to be more people thinking the same. To me it seems that people are taking my arguments way too personally when in reality I'm not attacking them, but their opinions. While in most cases a difference in opinion is not important, but there are things like rule list where there must be one decision made. However if I'm being directly offended by someone, I don't hesitate to retaliate. Best example is Snivy.
 

It was more directed to your persona. The way you behave and handle those arguments is what sets alot of people off. That sort of behavior is seen as hostility, and begets hostility in return.

[Prox]

It was more directed to your persona. The way you behave and handle those arguments is what sets alot of people off. That sort of behavior is seen as hostility, and begets hostility in return.

Yes, but in those few recent arguments my comments were becoming less respectful after other people were attacking me/my attitude etc instead of my opinion. I probably wouldn't care that much if someone attacked me once or twice but it was a long spree which I believe started on the rule list and then continued on the ab discussion thread.

[Sabb]

Yes, but in those few recent arguments my comments were becoming less respectful after other people were attacking me/my attitude etc instead of my opinion. I probably wouldn't care that much if someone attacked me once or twice but it was a long spree which I believe started on the rule list and then continued on the ab discussion thread.

Prox what? Stop. You didn't openly ask everyone, not everyone sees this thread or is on periodically. You can't just base something of two VIPS that are completely biased. If you had and actual vote with the entire server then I wouldn't mind.

And as crypto said, you hate the old ZS then leave it the alone. Go and play the new ZS. I mean it's on the server, why do you have to be ruining this server for the people who like it and still have it?

Why should I? So that all the people who use those methods would disagree with me? Because so far they were the only people who disagreed. And the fact that I made this whole thread almost by myself can prove that I do have a good understanding of rules and the current hosted game modes(or most of them). And if you are calling us biased then you two are biased as well.

And could you just fucking stop with that old and new ZS bullshit? I've already heard people saying that shit and it's not the case why I'm doing this. In case you all haven't been aware, I've been updating the rules all the fucking time.

Now when you say that I ruin the ZS you obviously only think about yourselves. You don't care that 10 or more zombies have to desperately try to get to the humans when all they can do is die or make a few scratches on a board which does not matter since by the time the board breaks the cader regens 2 more boards. And in case someone actually thinks that using those methods is "pro" then, they're fucking retarded.

Eh.

My opinion on sky cades were that they were fine as long as they weren't in a glitch spot (off map or something similar).

While they do give a massive advantage (only reachable by fast zombies), they take a long time to construct, and aren't generally used until the endgame.

And yet that spot in Zs_anchor is banned but you think the sky cading is fine? Sky cading gives a much bigger advantage then that spot.
Also I've seen people having a sky cade fully built at wave 5 or 6 so yeah, nah.

In this post you started (on your own) attacking people, not their opinions.
Starting with clearly beginning to be aggravated and just generally aggressive towards whoever started posting with a different opinion. And they didn't actually attack you in any way and came across as completely polite and calm.

And could you just fucking stop with that old and new ZS bullshit? I've already heard people saying that shit and it's not the case why I'm doing this. In case you all haven't been aware, I've been updating the rules all the fucking time.

Then you directly accused Juan of poor motive, which isn't a big deal and I may have done the same but you have to be aware that stuff like that can easily and often does start unneeded heated arguments. And it basically also is a personal attack as well. So it's not that you were really in the wrong much, but you need to be aware why everyone starts responding the way they do. Luckily Juan didn't start anything.

Now when you say that I ruin the ZS you obviously only think about yourselves. You don't care that 10 or more zombies have to desperately try to get to the humans when all they can do is die or make a few scratches on a board which does not matter since by the time the board breaks the cader regens 2 more boards. And in case someone actually thinks that using those methods is "pro" then, they're fucking retarded.

Then Snivy responded to that comment and the rest such as this one (due to the last line):

Suggestion to the TTT rules:
16. Baiting other innocents into shooting you with an intent to make their karma go down is not allowed and will result in a ban without a warning.

And for fucks sake update the OP already with the new Zs rules.

By saying that you need to "calm the fuck down and get off your period."
Yes, maybe not the best choice of words in this situation, but he was absolutely right. He also didn't even say that right away even though your comments and general attitude annoyed him. He waited and did that after you kept it up.

And yet that spot in Zs_anchor is banned but you think the sky cading is fine? Sky cading gives a much bigger advantage then that spot.
Also I've seen people having a sky cade fully built at wave 5 or 6 so yeah, nah.

First off, get off your fucking period.
It doesn't help you get any of your points across, you just come off as an arrogant asshole who can't see anyone else's views aside from your own, so just calm the fuck down.

Second, the spot behind zs_anchor is far worse than sky cades.

They're both only accessible by fast zombies, but unlike sky cading, the fence in anchor isn't breakable, you can shoot through the fence unlike the wooden planks in a sky cade, and the spot on anchor is accessible right away from wave one.

And for fucks sake update the OP already with the new Zs rules.

You should realize that since these are the "official" rules, Coolz is the only one who should really be modifying them. Maybe you should send him a nice PM politely saying "for fucks sake update the OP already", because that's always the way to get on peoples good sides.

So if Snivy had responded in a less offensive way to your aggravating comments, then everything might have gone better. But I can absolutely see where he was coming from and what he said said wasn't absolutely terrible.



Here right after what Snivy had said you started off by saying "Glad to see you're still mad because of TF2" which I can't tell if it was actually serious or joking. Either way a poor response which in my opinion is why Snivy responding the way he was was justifiable. It basically just shows that you can't really keep your calm in an argument and do gradually change it to personal attacks in a sense. So him sitting there and being all nice and throwing daisies on his comments wouldn't get you anywhere in my opinion. With being hard on you, it seems much more likely for you to actually realize that you need to stop or change something.

Glad to see you're still mad because of TF2, but if you would actually play ZS, you would understand that sky cading is much worse since its a 95% guaranteed victory for the humans when in the anchor humans used to lose the game most of the time when they were in that spot.

Also if I use swear words it doesn't mean that I'm mad, but I have to say that I'm not very pleased about this either.

The problem with all of this in an administrator position is quite obvious. If you can't argue decently with a calm attitude and co-operate and work with others, then how are you supposed to work with the rest of the admins? Jman was mostly demoted because none of us felt that we could work with him any more and it simply wasn't worth it. That's not very different from you in a way. At least that's a possibility. I could be completely wrong and you could work and co-operate fine with admins but this kind of stuff is what makes me strongly question that.

Before I never had a problem with your attitude. Only somewhat recently but I'm noticing it getting worse and worse as I've already told you, and it's worrysome. That thread also isn't the only time you've been like that. It's constantly happening in all sorts of situations, but that thread is a perfect example in my opinion.

Now again, as I've already told you, I don't hate you at all. I just have to question if you'd still be a good admin promotion due to your progressing attitude. I do hope that you can work on it and fix it, and to be able to work well with everyone and get your point across without sounding aggravated, offensive, etc. If you can work on that I would then still be certain that I'd want you promoted because I don't currently and don't think I ever have had a problem with how you deal with situations in-game and with punishments. In that sense I think you're fine.

[Prox]

I'm going to explain each post so that you could see them from MY point of view.

You wanted new zs, so play that. Stop trying to change the old one as well.

I also don't understand why you made such a push for the new zs and now that we have a server for it, you're messing with the old one too.

You can't just base something of two VIPS that are completely biased.

And as crypto said, you hate the old ZS then leave it the alone. Go and play the new ZS. I mean it's on the server, why do you have to be ruining this server for the people who like it and still have it?

I was being constantly blamed for "ruining" the old zs because I "hate" it also happened on in-game as well. Also called biased. All I ever wanted is make the gameplay better for everyone, not for a group of several people.

By me:

And for fucks sake update the OP already with the new Zs rules.

I admit I have no idea why I've said it.

By me:

Why should I? So that all the people who use those methods would disagree with me? Because so far they were the only people who disagreed. And the fact that I made this whole thread almost by myself can prove that I do have a good understanding of rules and the current hosted game modes(or most of them). And if you are calling us biased then you two are biased as well.

And could you just fucking stop with that old and new ZS bullshit? I've already heard people saying that shit and it's not the case why I'm doing this. In case you all haven't been aware, I've been updating the rules all the fucking time.

Now when you say that I ruin the ZS you obviously only think about yourselves. You don't care that 10 or more zombies have to desperately try to get to the humans when all they can do is die or make a few scratches on a board which does not matter since by the time the board breaks the cader regens 2 more boards. And in case someone actually thinks that using those methods is "pro" then, they're fucking retarded.

After all of those posts and in-game crap I decided to add some retaliation. At the time I posted that, to me it seemed like I wasn't giving more negativity then I myself received.

By me:

And yet that spot in Zs_anchor is banned but you think the sky cading is fine? Sky cading gives a much bigger advantage then that spot.
Also I've seen people having a sky cade fully built at wave 5 or 6 so yeah, nah.

Not the best choice of words, but isn't a personal attack either.

First off, get off your fucking period.
It doesn't help you get any of your points across, you just come off as an arrogant asshole who can't see anyone else's views aside from your own, so just calm the fuck down.

Direct personal attack towards me.

By me:

Glad to see you're still mad because of TF2

Considering what he said to me, this wasn't a big deal.


Next thread:

By me:

It was taken down because some idiots were constantly spamming and samefagging and some people with precious personalities couldn't take insults.

Wasn't the best choice of words, but wasn't a direct attack towards anyone either and I don't think I was too wrong.

By me:

Prove me wrong.

Short comment which at the time might have seemed like a passive aggressive remark but I didn't had such an intent.

I seriously don't get why you guys don't just get over your shit attitudes towards it. If everyone could just not post like a total douchebag then there would be no problem with keeping ab up, but you're all basically saying "no, I want to be an asshole to whoever I want, I want freedom!"

That was a personal attack to me and a few others I believe.

By me:

Do you think, that I'm a complete idiot and I want ab back to only insult people without a reason?

While this wasn't a smart comment it wasn't a personal attack either or at least wasn't intended to.

No, but you do like to be a little bitch about things when you don't get your way.

Yet another personal attack.


By me:

Could you just shut up for once? Am I not allowed to defend my opinion without you saying shit?

I've got tired of constantly getting insulted.

Now you're going to get all defensive? I wouldn't normally give a shit, but every single reply you made makes it sound like whoever you're talking to just killed your dog.
Take some estrogen pills or some shit. Fuck. You seriously need to take your bitching down a notch or two.



Or six.

I don't think that saying "stop your bitching" to someone will actually make it happen.

By me:

>bitching
Haha, good one.

Also I never felt better, Snivy, thanks for asking.

Considering the situation at the time, this wasn't that much of a big deal either.

you can't really keep your calm in an argument and do gradually change it to personal attacks in a sense.

That happens because I get personally attacked first and it usually takes more then 1 or 2 attacks to trigger me, but when things like that add up, then even 1 is enough.

The problem with all of this in an administrator position is quite obvious. If you can't argue decently with a calm attitude and co-operate and work with others, then how are you supposed to work with the rest of the admins?

That is a bad example because that's not how I normally handle arguments because usually I don't get attacked as much. Also as I've said an admin must be capable of making decisions without being effected by their emotions or attitudes.

I just have to question if you'd still be a good admin promotion due to your progressing attitude. I do hope that you can work on it and fix it, and to be able to work well with everyone and get your point across without sounding aggravated, offensive, etc. If you can work on that I would then still be certain that I'd want you promoted

My attitude is fine and I fell good and confident about it. But when thinking of my attitude don't take the example of it from those 2 threads, take it from this one or many others.

[Sabb]

I'm going to explain each post so that you could see them from MY point of view.
I was being constantly blamed for "ruining" the old zs because I "hate" it also happened on in-game as well. Also called biased. All I ever wanted is make the gameplay better for everyone, not for a group of several people.

By me:I admit I have no idea why I've said it.

By me:After all of those posts and in-game crap I decided to add some retaliation. At the time I posted that, to me it seemed like I wasn't giving more negativity then I myself received.

By me:Not the best choice of words, but isn't a personal attack either.
Direct personal attack towards me.

By me:Considering what he said to me, this wasn't a big deal.


Next thread:

By me:Wasn't the best choice of words, but wasn't a direct attack towards anyone either and I don't think I was too wrong.

By me:
Short comment which at the time might have seemed like a passive aggressive remark but I didn't had such an intent.That was a personal attack to me and a few others I believe.

By me:While this wasn't a smart comment it wasn't a personal attack either or at least wasn't intended to.

Yet another personal attack.


By me:I've got tired of constantly getting insulted.
I don't think that saying "stop your bitching" to someone will actually make it happen.

By me:Considering the situation at the time, this wasn't that much of a big deal either.
That happens because I get personally attacked first and it usually takes more then 1 or 2 attacks to trigger me, but when things like that add up, then even 1 is enough.That is a bad example because that's not how I normally handle arguments because usually I don't get attacked as much. Also as I've said an admin must be capable of making decisions without being effected by their emotions or attitudes.
My attitude is fine and I fell good and confident about it. But when thinking of my attitude don't take the example of it from those 2 threads, take it from this one or many others.

Pretty much nothing you've said changes anything I've said.
What Snivy said wasn't a complete attack on you, he was saying that you came across as an arrogant asshole, which you do. Yes he could have sugar coated it nicely, but it wasn't a big deal. He wasn't even directly calling you arrogant or an asshole, just saying that you're coming across that way similar to what I've said to you.

"It was taken down because some idiots were constantly spamming and samefagging and some people with precious personalities couldn't take insults."
Actually, that is ABSOLUTELY a direct personal attack to basically anyone who "samefagged" or spammed. For the "samefagging" shit, it was fucking stupid. I don't think I actually saw someone once do something significant along those lines, instead only people accusing people of that when it often wasn't true... So in a way you're actually calling everyone who wrongfully accused people of it as stupid, and maybe even the people wrongfully accused themselves. On top of that you're directly calling everyone who wanted ab down or at least that used the argument that people on there were being unnecessary douchebags (including me) a princess by saying we have precious personalities and can't take insults. Ironic at that as well.


"Short comment which at the time might have seemed like a passive aggressive remark but I didn't had such an intent."
Pretty much every post int hat thread and in many others are/were constantly passive aggressive, and like Snivy and I have said, just comes across as snobby, arrogant, and rude.


My post also wasn't directed at anyone in particular but was my interpretation of most people's overall reasoning. I also wasn't speaking literally and saying that everyone in ab was like that, just that some in particular did, and no, not you. It's also not a personal attack. The purpose of the post wasn't to degrade someone or their character. Though I implied that everyone was acting extremely stubborn and wouldn't listen, because most of them were.

As for Snivy saying you act like a little bitch when you don't get what you want, yea, he could have said it in a far better way but it still doesn't justify you retaliating in a similar or even worse way. You need to stop trying to twist this into you being the victim and blaming other people though. It's not going to help anything. I'm not saying that you need to sit there and just accept insults and admit to everything we say, but there are far better ways to deal with these situations and it's not to act poorly back. And any ways, this is about you becoming admin, not Snivy. I know we can work fine with Snivy, because for the most part we do. You're the one we're unsure of.


And for "I don't think that saying "stop your bitching" to someone will actually make it happen."
I've already explained why I think that kind of attitude is justifiable in this situation, to an extent. If anyone was to sit there and say "please, accept my opinion" you're definitely just going to shoot them down or ignore them. It's very clear and you've acted that way before. It's also not necessarily a bad thing, but I think it's necessary to be strict with you sometimes.

"Considering the situation at the time, this wasn't that much of a big deal either."
Actually, it kind of was. It's just yet another comment which you were unable to keep your emotion out of with plenty of aggressive sarcasm. It generally sets a bad mood for everyone.


"That is a bad example because that's not how I normally handle arguments because usually I don't get attacked as much."
I've seen it way more than just in the examples given though. If it was one situation then that wouldn't be a problem, but it wasn't.


"My attitude is fine and I fell good and confident about it. But when thinking of my attitude don't take the example of it from those 2 threads, take it from this one or many others."
I'm not going to spend all my time finding examples for this stuff. It's completely unnecessary and in reality I shouldn't even be arguing this. We're simply here telling you that several people are having a problem with your general attitude recently. We have no need to prove that. This isn't a report. But even in this thread it still shows your personality with you being extremely defensive giving as little as possible ownership for poor action and not even actually saying you're going to improve. Instead, just trying to prove everyone wrong with reasoning and examples that have already happened. Instead, the best thing right now would probably just be to maybe very briefly explain why you acted the way you did, and to say that it wasn't intended and will be worked on. Not to argue every single point anyone makes against you unless there's very good reason for it. Which in this case, I don't think there is.