.:`=-~rANdOm~`-=:. Game Servers
.:`=-~rANdOm~`-=:. Game Servers (Read Only) => Discussion => Topic started by: coolzeldad on July 03, 2012, 04:45:20 AM
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I would like to provide a little transparency to potential promotions floating around in my head.
At this point I am considering the following in alphabetical order:
Deacon
iPounce
Prox
All of these candidates have been over and over recommended for administration.
They are all currently VIP's.
They may not be perfect but I believe I have also seen great qualities in them.
Now, I would like a community response to any of these promotions individually or together.
Feel free to post your responses if you have one. (Please post your opinion, this is your chance for me to read into your responses!)
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Also a note to how I go about choosing the people to promote in case some are interested.
I have to know you, I will not choose you until I know enough about you to make an educated decision.
That being said the best ways to know me are through playing games while I am also on.
This allows me to see over time how you handle situations and react.
However, this becomes an issue for the limited time I actually do play the servers or other games.
Therefore I also seriously consider opinions from other Admins and VIP's.
However even with this I believe there are still a higher number of potential admin candidates.
If you think this is you and that I have not noticed your potential and willingness then please make the effort to get noticed, do something good for the community!
Getting involved in a good way is the best way to spread your interest in the community.
Admins and VIP's will start to notice you.. then maybe its time to suggest them to talk to me and post an admin application!
However, asking admins to post an application prematurely is not necessarily a good thing to do.. it might even hurt your chances at promotion!
But yes all of my admin promotions are completely bias on how well I see you as an admin.. many factors get considered per admin.
Anyway, I felt like providing a little clarity on the issue.
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Also, I would like to point out.. I consider myself very understanding.
If you have anything you think you would like to tell me, don't hesitate if you feel it is necessary.
That includes any potential promotions, demotions, unwanted activity, or anything else community related.
I consider communication to absolutely fundamental in a community and I don't feel I have properly satisfied that component.
That being said, the best way to contact me when I'm online is Steam (steam user: coolzeldad). The best way offline is through forum PM.
Anyway, I appreciate those who read this and if you would please link this thread to anyone you know who has not yet read it.
Thanks guys and servers up in next week or so! ;)
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AHHHHHHHH SERVERS
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In my opinion, Prox, Deacon, and Ipounce would all make great admins. I've never noticed them abusing any of their power and they have always been active on the servers (or l4d2 :p).
Also, Prox helped out by posting a shitload of reports of SH back when the servers were up, which I think is a plus for a good admin.
All in all, I don't see why these guys shouldn't be admins.
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iPounce is online when all of guys are not. It's always good to have some admin activity that isn't always at the same time.
As for the others, I have barely played with them but they both have excellent activity on the forums.
I give them my support.
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From all the times i've played with IPounce and Prox when the Servers were still on i have never seen them make wrong decisions.
I haven't played With Deacon much but i can say they would all make great Admins.
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What about Alkaline? Alkaline is always aware of his decisions and he was one of the few VIPs that were active on Zs. He was also one of the few people who helped me to deal with all the trouble in stronghold. I've also seen him come to a different server if someone requested help. It really pains me to see how unnoticed he is for what he has been doing for the servers.
I think I could suggest Tiger Guy too, he seems to be active and reasonable when it comes to dealing with trouble, but I don't know him that much, although one thing I could say is that if he will remain active, he should be another active admin.
I have something to say about Deacon too. I'm really not sure if he should be promoted, at one point he seems to get upset and do questionable things, at another he was doing pretty well as a VIP when he was active on the servers, but he isn't now, perhaps that will change once the regular servers will go up.
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What about Alkaline? Alkaline is always aware of his decisions and he was one of the few VIPs that were active on Zs. He was also one of the few people who helped me to deal with all the trouble in stronghold. I've also seen him come to a different server if someone requested help. It really pains me to see how unnoticed he is for what he has been doing for the servers.
I think I could suggest Tiger Guy too, he seems to be active and reasonable when it comes to dealing with trouble, but I don't know him that much, although one thing I could say is that if he will remain active, he should be another active admin.
I have something to say about Deacon too. I'm really not sure if he should be promoted, at one point he seems to get upset and do questionable things, at another he was doing pretty well as a VIP when he was active on the servers, but he isn't now, perhaps that will change once the regular servers will go up.
I can see Deacon having a short fuse, but I don't think that's always a bad thing.
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All three are good examples our community and will do well as admins. All of them are calm and never stupid to a point in which they abuse their powers.
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I can see Deacon having a short fuse, but I don't think that's always a bad thing.
Most of the time it can be, though.
The most worthy candidate on the list I see is Prox, although Deacon is good too. iPounce is ehhh, I love him but I'm just not sure.
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Most of the time it can be, though.
The most worthy candidate on the list I see is Prox, although Deacon is good too. iPounce is ehhh, I love him but I'm just not sure.
sort of this i guess
I'm not completely sure on ipounce. He's responsible, but I just can't see him as an admin. Same with prox to a lesser extent, but I doubt that matters since I've been inactive on vacation for two weeks now.
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I think these three would make fine admins. I may not know Prox personally but I've played in games with him before, and I have heard many things about him that wouldn't make me think otherwise. As for iPounce and Deacon, I play and talk to them enough to know that they would do a great job. They are all very smart, and I know they would fulfill their job responsibilities to the fullest, just as they have in the past. Every person has their flaws, but that doesn't mean those flaws should hold they back, if anything the added responsibility can help them over come these flaws that they might have, in my opinion.
If I had any other suggestion, I might suggest Alkaline as well. I've known him for a long time and he's always being helpful when in the servers.
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Didn't Deacon refuse admin or resign?
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Seb, he did earlier, now he wants it again.
Anyhow, coolz, I love you. Maybe people will actually cut some of the shit on ab now...
But as for the promotions, my opinion still stands on Deacon. And keep in mind anything I say here is in no way personal and in no way mean to offend or attack anyone. I also don't want to go too far into detail with Deacon as a candidate because... I already did that a hell of a lot previously. I'll just sum it up by saying that I don't think Deacon is still quite ready. I think he may still be easily overwhelmed which may prevent him from acting in situations. This is understandable though, as you've got to remember most of the regular players on there aren't exactly friendly lol... Worst case scenario I see with Deacon being promoted would be Deacon being overwhelmed and possibly acting poorly in a situation to then lead to him resigning again. Or simply resigning before he does act poorly. Best case scenario I see is Deacon being promoted and proving me wrong obviously; dealing with unruly players, ignoring comments and accusations, etc.
And as I said in ab, Prox is the only one I'm absolutely certain that I want promoted, from that list. I also don't want to go into great detail of why I think he would be a good admin because I have again previously. So to sum it up I just think that Prox is good with handling situations and players and is also active and usually gets along with everyone.
For iPounce... I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other. He's a friendly guy and everything, but I honestly haven't seen him handing situations often so I can't really say much on that. Not entirely sure if he's active either. So I guess I'm mostly neutral.
And for other suggestions in the thread:
I think Alkaline could be a decent promotion, but I also haven't seen all THAT much of him dealing with situations or players, so I'm not entirely sure. Leaning more to a yes however, as I've seen him a number of times joining the server and just watching out for stuff.
As for Tiger... I'm certain I don't want him promoted as of now. Again none of this is meant as an attack or to be taken offensively. Tiger doesn't seem to be bad with handling situations in-game and is currently a fairly good VIP. However, there's obviously some conflict with him and other players that as far as I know still haven't been resolved. If he were to be promoted I'm quite sure that further conflicts would be made between admins similar to which more or less earlier lead to Snivy and Don resigning and leaving. Not saying one person or even any person in particular is at fault for that, or would be at fault for that if it were to re-occur, but I'm just suggesting that it would most likely happen again. So my opinion on Tiger is also sort of similar to my opinion on Marie. For Marie I think she wouldn't necessarily be a bad admin and would be fine with her being promoted if it weren't for the community's response. For Tiger, I also think he wouldn't necessarily be a bad admin however I want to prevent further conflict between the community and administration.
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I'd like to say a few things again. First off, prox is great. iPounce would probably be too, but I haven't played with him lately.
And about myself; don't forget I have a full time job. A promotion for me won't seem like much because I work most of the time.
While I'm not denying the validity of your concerns, I don't feel that they would be a problem anymore. That's a story I'm not publicizing. I also feel that I would have to worry much less about trying to gather evidence before taking action. That is where most of the stress comes from as a VIP.
You'll be spectating an rdmer trying to record it for a report, but you'll miss the speedhacker that joined. Then everyone in the room yells at you for missing it.
At any rate, a promotion for me would be for you guys. I'm still playing (green shift COUGH) regardless...the same amount of time I can dedicate either way.
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I used to be completely for the promotion of Deacon 110%. However, it's not that I redact the good traits I mentioned about him on his admin app, but it's more that I've noticed other ones that seem to nullify them. My primary concern with him at this point is his extremely short temper. For example: About a week or so ago Devie sent a few people this screamer and we all clicked on it an got scared as hell. A typical thing to do is then to see if you can get your friends with it, which I decided to do. I did it to plenty of people, one of them being deacon. The second he clicked it instead of taking it for what it was, a joke obviously, he got extremely pissed off and it ended up with him removing and blocking me.
While this has nothing to do with the servers or the community as a whole, it's a prime example of his inability to take in an entire situation and think it over before taking action. I have also noticed him in TTT several times basically doing something questionable that might be against the rules and then simply leaving when I, or anyone else, mention it.
Lastly, if Deacon gets promoted it will not be the end of the world. I'm sure he could handle it better than most. All I am saying is that this is something we need to take into consideration and fully understand before promoting him.
I will post my opinion on the other potential candidates at a later date.
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Yes I blocked you. I don't like those at all. I also removed 85% of my steam friends.
And I propkilled you and another innocent when I was a traitor on crummy. I left because of the way you started to yell at me in ts3. I apologized afterward if you remember.
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As far as the three "suggested" candidates are concerned I haven't seen much, if any activity from any of them but Prox in the past month or so. What I don't want most of all is to have an inactive admin get promoted when there are plenty of viable candidates whom are extremely active. Of all the problems an admin could have this is the worst to me because it only punishes the community. If an admin abuses we can simply ban, if an admin breaks the rules in someway so drastically that it calls for a ban we can, but if an admin is inactive that admin "slot" has 0 usefulness what could have gone to someone enforcing the servers daily now belongs to someone who gets on the forums twice a week MAYBE. Regarding earlier concerns about the way Ipounce handles situations that call for it, I've also never seen him deal with any situations requiring a vips touch, and haven't seen Deacon on the servers period in about a month. To sum that portion up of the three proposed candidates in my personal opinion the only one who seems ready for the position as of now is Prox. The only problem I have with Prox occurs adversely in most people, where as they're afraid to act, I feel like he makes snap judgements and acts far too quickly before even taking the time to figure out what happened. That being said there's also the possibility that he could be talking to someone behind the scenes I'm sure we all do it from time to time, I know the regulars have been a boatload and a half of help since I obtained the position but that's still just a quality I've seen overall.
I haven't played much with Alkaline lately but I know I've seen him on a decent amount, I don't feel qualified to give an educated opinion on his potential in being an admin candidate.
tl;dr: Prox = viable candidate but can be a bit quick to act which concerns me Deacon = Really inactive recently plus all the aforementioned issues others have posted about short temper and stress and such Ipounce = Decently inactive on the actual servers however gladly plays with the other vips/admins on l4d2 just doesn't seem like an admin to me :idk:.
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To be honest, I think Ipounce would make a proper admin if he would just spend more time on the actual servers like shockah said, but that might just be that he doesn't want to get on when the servers are in "Temp." mode or maybe the fact he doesn't like TTT. Either way I think he's right for the position.
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I really don't see how am I acting too quickly. I give out warnings on certain things, I ask people why they have done certain things, I try to follow the events going on the servers.
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As far as the three "suggested" candidates are concerned I haven't seen much, if any activity from any of them but Prox in the past month or so. What I don't want most of all is to have an inactive admin get promoted when there are plenty of viable candidates whom are extremely active. Of all the problems an admin could have this is the worst to me because it only punishes the community. If an admin abuses we can simply ban, if an admin breaks the rules in someway so drastically that it calls for a ban we can, but if an admin is inactive that admin "slot" has 0 usefulness what could have gone to someone enforcing the servers daily now belongs to someone who gets on the forums twice a week MAYBE. Regarding earlier concerns about the way Ipounce handles situations that call for it, I've also never seen him deal with any situations requiring a vips touch, and haven't seen Deacon on the servers period in about a month. To sum that portion up of the three proposed candidates in my personal opinion the only one who seems ready for the position as of now is Prox. The only problem I have with Prox occurs adversely in most people, where as they're afraid to act, I feel like he makes snap judgements and acts far too quickly before even taking the time to figure out what happened. That being said there's also the possibility that he could be talking to someone behind the scenes I'm sure we all do it from time to time, I know the regulars have been a boatload and a half of help since I obtained the position but that's still just a quality I've seen overall.
I haven't played much with Alkaline lately but I know I've seen him on a decent amount, I don't feel qualified to give an educated opinion on his potential in being an admin candidate.
tl;dr: Prox = viable candidate but can be a bit quick to act which concerns me Deacon = Really inactive recently plus all the aforementioned issues others have posted about short temper and stress and such Ipounce = Decently inactive on the actual servers however gladly plays with the other vips/admins on l4d2 just doesn't seem like an admin to me :idk:.
The thing is, we have promoted people we considered trustworthy to VIP and they have abused it...
imagine if that happens with an admin?
New players in rNd would just leave the server if they get abused the first time they are playing or one of those.
Pretty much, with the time, Deacon, Prox and Ipounce has shown us that they're trustworthy people, and each one of them have got really good pros.
Deacon: He will ever give out and unfair punishment... Never. By saying this, i wouldn't care if he got short temper with assholes and/or minges and just ban them right away when they break the rules.
Prox: I have see prox playing since i joined rNd, I believe he is pretty much ready for admin, since he have faced shittons of situations with rule breakers he know which is the best.
IPounce: From what i have experienced, cool headed, really friendly, only kick/ban when someone is fucking the game for others.
Well this is from what i seen, in gmod and mc servers, maybe is not 100% ok for some people but heck this is what i think.
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And I propkilled you and another innocent when I was a traitor on crummy. I left because of the way you started to yell at me in ts3. I apologized afterward if you remember.
Dude, what? Don was there as well. You propkilled not one, but three innocents. One of them was the detective. I didn't yell at you in ts3, I messaged you over steam asking you why you would do that and said "you realize that's bannable, right?" You simply left the game after that and wouldn't respond to either of us and Don was actually considering telling coolz about it and that it was unacceptable. You eventually messaged me hours and hours later apologizing, yes. What happens when someone pisses you off in-game and you rage-ban them or abuse or something? You can't act first and apologize later. The action has to be prevented in the first place. I don't want to argue about this here lol, I was just stating my opinion. Carry on.
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Dude, what? Don was there as well. You propkilled not one, but three innocents. One of them was the detective. I didn't yell at you in ts3, I messaged you over steam asking you why you would do that and said "you realize that's bannable, right?" You simply left the game after that and wouldn't respond to either of us and Don was actually considering telling coolz about it and that it was unacceptable. You eventually messaged me hours and hours later apologizing, yes. What happens when someone pisses you off in-game and you rage-ban them or abuse or something? You can't act first and apologize later. The action has to be prevented in the first place. I don't want to argue about this here lol, I was just stating my opinion. Carry on.
Mistakes were made. I had thought forgiven as well.
And for the record, I don't like conflict, you must've said something that made me leave.
I would like to remind you that of all the times I have been "demoted" they were from my own issues.
Not once did I abuse the power I had. If you know of a time, please let me know (here. I'm not one to hide my issues).
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Honestly, the only one I disagree with is iPounce. All I've ever see him do is act immature and go "LOL WOW U MAD" and shit like that.
But whatever, my opinion doesn't matter regardless. Deacon and Prox are cool for it though.
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I'm for IPounce and Prox can't really say anything about Deacon never really played with him...
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The thing is, we have promoted people we considered trustworthy to VIP and they have abused it...
imagine if that happens with an admin?
New players in rNd would just leave the server if they get abused the first time they are playing or one of those.
Imagine if we don't have any authoritative figures online when needed, what will new players think then when the position could have gone to someone who actually plays frequently? Having inactive admins isn't what punishes the community directly it's not having active ones that does (That sounds weird). It is likely that another admin will not be promoted for a while after this batch is and as such we should make sure they actually still play on the servers they're meant to enforce.
Honestly, the only one I disagree with is iPounce. All I've ever see him do is act immature and go "LOL WOW U MAD" and shit like that.
Immaturity is probably my main reason for simply not seeing him with the qualities of an admin.
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Imagine if we don't have any authoritative figures online when needed, what will new players think then when the position could have gone to someone who actually plays frequently? Having inactive admins isn't what punishes the community directly it's not having active ones that does (That sounds weird). It is likely that another admin will not be promoted for a while after this batch is and as such we should make sure they actually still play on the servers they're meant to enforce.
Immaturity is probably my main reason for simply not seeing him with the qualities of an admin.
"better alone that in bad company"...
pretty much the ones that said coolz are the names that more he have heard of most, which he has heard of because people consider them trustworthy.
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Not sure about Ipounce but Deacon and Prox are cool.
Also add me again Deacon, I cant seem to find you in my steam friends unless you happened to change your name.
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Not sure about Ipounce but Deacon and Prox are cool.
Also add me again Deacon, I cant seem to find you in my steam friends unless you happened to change your name.
Currently Takebacktherain
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Alright so here is what i think..
Deacon, i played many times with him and i have always thought of him as a good candidate. He HAD personal issues i emphasize the HAD. Im sure if he had problems that would not allow him to administrate he would tell us. He is always nice as long as you are nice to him.
Ipounce, I don't ever recall playing with you on the server only once or twice on the server.. The only time I ever see him play something is when there are left 4 dead 2 games... While I do agree he is a nice and good guy, I just haven't seen him on the servers and have no way of knowing on how he would administrate.
Prox, I think he is good for admin. he too plays a lot of L4D2 but at the same time, he plays in the servers regularly even right know while it's in temp. He is nice, follows the rules, and actually helps to make out servers cleaner (hacker and rule breaker wise lol)
That is what I think.
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For all who says that I'm inactive.
Yes, I was inactive in the temp server because I'm getting bored of TTT. But in Jan-March, I was focusing in my Final Exam and Graduating High school.
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Agree with all
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Agree with all
Not to call you out or anything, but do you even play on the servers anymore?
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Not to call you out or anything, but do you even play on the servers anymore?
Magic has been playing alot recently. Next question, do you even play on the servers anymore?
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Magic has been playing alot recently. Next question, do you even play on the servers anymore?
He has? Shiet son, I've seen Minic on a bit lately but as for Magic not so much could be timezone difference though.
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Magic has been playing alot recently. Next question, do you even play on the servers anymore?
I've been on vacation out of state for the last two weeks. I just got home last night.
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I've been on vacation out of state for the last two weeks. I just got home last night.
awesome.
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(sort-of bump but it's stickied)
So I've been wondering coolz, are you still considering promotions?
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I've been informed that there are people who aren't too happy with me being promoted. Staying quiet won't solve anything. You can say it, I won't mind, but expect me to defend myself.
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I've been informed that there are people who aren't too happy with me being promoted. Staying quiet won't solve anything. You can say it, I won't mind, but expect me to defend myself.
I do feel that your persona wouldn't be very conducive to an environment which requires you to be calm and respectful. I do not doubt that you would take action if/when needed, but the way you would communicate that concerns me.
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I do feel that your persona wouldn't be very conducive to an environment which requires you to be calm and respectful. I do not doubt that you would take action if/when needed, but the way you would communicate that concerns me.
I'm assuming that you're thinking so because of the recent discussions I participated in, which doesn't surprise me since there seem to be more people thinking the same. To me it seems that people are taking my arguments way too personally when in reality I'm not attacking them, but their opinions. While in most cases a difference in opinion is not important, but there are things like rule list where there must be one decision made. However if I'm being directly offended by someone, I don't hesitate to retaliate. Best example is Snivy.
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I'm assuming that you're thinking so because of the recent discussions I participated in, which doesn't surprise me since there seem to be more people thinking the same. To me it seems that people are taking my arguments way too personally when in reality I'm not attacking them, but their opinions. While in most cases a difference in opinion is not important, but there are things like rule list where there must be one decision made. However if I'm being directly offended by someone, I don't hesitate to retaliate. Best example is Snivy.
It was more directed to your persona. The way you behave and handle those arguments is what sets alot of people off. That sort of behavior is seen as hostility, and begets hostility in return.
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It was more directed to your persona. The way you behave and handle those arguments is what sets alot of people off. That sort of behavior is seen as hostility, and begets hostility in return.
Yes, but in those few recent arguments my comments were becoming less respectful after other people were attacking me/my attitude etc instead of my opinion. I probably wouldn't care that much if someone attacked me once or twice but it was a long spree which I believe started on the rule list and then continued on the ab discussion thread.
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Yes, but in those few recent arguments my comments were becoming less respectful after other people were attacking me/my attitude etc instead of my opinion. I probably wouldn't care that much if someone attacked me once or twice but it was a long spree which I believe started on the rule list and then continued on the ab discussion thread.
Prox what? Stop. You didn't openly ask everyone, not everyone sees this thread or is on periodically. You can't just base something of two VIPS that are completely biased. If you had and actual vote with the entire server then I wouldn't mind.
And as crypto said, you hate the old ZS then leave it the alone. Go and play the new ZS. I mean it's on the server, why do you have to be ruining this server for the people who like it and still have it?
Why should I? So that all the people who use those methods would disagree with me? Because so far they were the only people who disagreed. And the fact that I made this whole thread almost by myself can prove that I do have a good understanding of rules and the current hosted game modes(or most of them). And if you are calling us biased then you two are biased as well.
And could you just fucking stop with that old and new ZS bullshit? I've already heard people saying that shit and it's not the case why I'm doing this. In case you all haven't been aware, I've been updating the rules all the fucking time.
Now when you say that I ruin the ZS you obviously only think about yourselves. You don't care that 10 or more zombies have to desperately try to get to the humans when all they can do is die or make a few scratches on a board which does not matter since by the time the board breaks the cader regens 2 more boards. And in case someone actually thinks that using those methods is "pro" then, they're fucking retarded.
Eh.
My opinion on sky cades were that they were fine as long as they weren't in a glitch spot (off map or something similar).
While they do give a massive advantage (only reachable by fast zombies), they take a long time to construct, and aren't generally used until the endgame.
And yet that spot in Zs_anchor is banned but you think the sky cading is fine? Sky cading gives a much bigger advantage then that spot.
Also I've seen people having a sky cade fully built at wave 5 or 6 so yeah, nah.
In this post you started (on your own) attacking people, not their opinions.
Starting with clearly beginning to be aggravated and just generally aggressive towards whoever started posting with a different opinion. And they didn't actually attack you in any way and came across as completely polite and calm.
And could you just fucking stop with that old and new ZS bullshit? I've already heard people saying that shit and it's not the case why I'm doing this. In case you all haven't been aware, I've been updating the rules all the fucking time.
Then you directly accused Juan of poor motive, which isn't a big deal and I may have done the same but you have to be aware that stuff like that can easily and often does start unneeded heated arguments. And it basically also is a personal attack as well. So it's not that you were really in the wrong much, but you need to be aware why everyone starts responding the way they do. Luckily Juan didn't start anything.
Now when you say that I ruin the ZS you obviously only think about yourselves. You don't care that 10 or more zombies have to desperately try to get to the humans when all they can do is die or make a few scratches on a board which does not matter since by the time the board breaks the cader regens 2 more boards. And in case someone actually thinks that using those methods is "pro" then, they're fucking retarded.
Then Snivy responded to that comment and the rest such as this one (due to the last line):
Suggestion to the TTT rules:
16. Baiting other innocents into shooting you with an intent to make their karma go down is not allowed and will result in a ban without a warning.
And for fucks sake update the OP already with the new Zs rules.
By saying that you need to "calm the fuck down and get off your period."
Yes, maybe not the best choice of words in this situation, but he was absolutely right. He also didn't even say that right away even though your comments and general attitude annoyed him. He waited and did that after you kept it up.
And yet that spot in Zs_anchor is banned but you think the sky cading is fine? Sky cading gives a much bigger advantage then that spot.
Also I've seen people having a sky cade fully built at wave 5 or 6 so yeah, nah.
First off, get off your fucking period.
It doesn't help you get any of your points across, you just come off as an arrogant asshole who can't see anyone else's views aside from your own, so just calm the fuck down.
Second, the spot behind zs_anchor is far worse than sky cades.
They're both only accessible by fast zombies, but unlike sky cading, the fence in anchor isn't breakable, you can shoot through the fence unlike the wooden planks in a sky cade, and the spot on anchor is accessible right away from wave one.
And for fucks sake update the OP already with the new Zs rules.
You should realize that since these are the "official" rules, Coolz is the only one who should really be modifying them. Maybe you should send him a nice PM politely saying "for fucks sake update the OP already", because that's always the way to get on peoples good sides.
So if Snivy had responded in a less offensive way to your aggravating comments, then everything might have gone better. But I can absolutely see where he was coming from and what he said said wasn't absolutely terrible.
Here right after what Snivy had said you started off by saying "Glad to see you're still mad because of TF2" which I can't tell if it was actually serious or joking. Either way a poor response which in my opinion is why Snivy responding the way he was was justifiable. It basically just shows that you can't really keep your calm in an argument and do gradually change it to personal attacks in a sense. So him sitting there and being all nice and throwing daisies on his comments wouldn't get you anywhere in my opinion. With being hard on you, it seems much more likely for you to actually realize that you need to stop or change something.
Glad to see you're still mad because of TF2, but if you would actually play ZS, you would understand that sky cading is much worse since its a 95% guaranteed victory for the humans when in the anchor humans used to lose the game most of the time when they were in that spot.
Also if I use swear words it doesn't mean that I'm mad, but I have to say that I'm not very pleased about this either.
The problem with all of this in an administrator position is quite obvious. If you can't argue decently with a calm attitude and co-operate and work with others, then how are you supposed to work with the rest of the admins? Jman was mostly demoted because none of us felt that we could work with him any more and it simply wasn't worth it. That's not very different from you in a way. At least that's a possibility. I could be completely wrong and you could work and co-operate fine with admins but this kind of stuff is what makes me strongly question that.
Before I never had a problem with your attitude. Only somewhat recently but I'm noticing it getting worse and worse as I've already told you, and it's worrysome. That thread also isn't the only time you've been like that. It's constantly happening in all sorts of situations, but that thread is a perfect example in my opinion.
Now again, as I've already told you, I don't hate you at all. I just have to question if you'd still be a good admin promotion due to your progressing attitude. I do hope that you can work on it and fix it, and to be able to work well with everyone and get your point across without sounding aggravated, offensive, etc. If you can work on that I would then still be certain that I'd want you promoted because I don't currently and don't think I ever have had a problem with how you deal with situations in-game and with punishments. In that sense I think you're fine.
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I'm going to explain each post so that you could see them from MY point of view.
You wanted new zs, so play that. Stop trying to change the old one as well.
I also don't understand why you made such a push for the new zs and now that we have a server for it, you're messing with the old one too.
You can't just base something of two VIPS that are completely biased.
And as crypto said, you hate the old ZS then leave it the alone. Go and play the new ZS. I mean it's on the server, why do you have to be ruining this server for the people who like it and still have it?
I was being constantly blamed for "ruining" the old zs because I "hate" it also happened on in-game as well. Also called biased. All I ever wanted is make the gameplay better for everyone, not for a group of several people.
By me:And for fucks sake update the OP already with the new Zs rules.
I admit I have no idea why I've said it.
By me:Why should I? So that all the people who use those methods would disagree with me? Because so far they were the only people who disagreed. And the fact that I made this whole thread almost by myself can prove that I do have a good understanding of rules and the current hosted game modes(or most of them). And if you are calling us biased then you two are biased as well.
And could you just fucking stop with that old and new ZS bullshit? I've already heard people saying that shit and it's not the case why I'm doing this. In case you all haven't been aware, I've been updating the rules all the fucking time.
Now when you say that I ruin the ZS you obviously only think about yourselves. You don't care that 10 or more zombies have to desperately try to get to the humans when all they can do is die or make a few scratches on a board which does not matter since by the time the board breaks the cader regens 2 more boards. And in case someone actually thinks that using those methods is "pro" then, they're fucking retarded.
After all of those posts and in-game crap I decided to add some retaliation. At the time I posted that, to me it seemed like I wasn't giving more negativity then I myself received.
By me:And yet that spot in Zs_anchor is banned but you think the sky cading is fine? Sky cading gives a much bigger advantage then that spot.
Also I've seen people having a sky cade fully built at wave 5 or 6 so yeah, nah.
Not the best choice of words, but isn't a personal attack either.
First off, get off your fucking period.
It doesn't help you get any of your points across, you just come off as an arrogant asshole who can't see anyone else's views aside from your own, so just calm the fuck down.
Direct personal attack towards me.
By me:Glad to see you're still mad because of TF2
Considering what he said to me, this wasn't a big deal.
Next thread:
By me:It was taken down because some idiots were constantly spamming and samefagging and some people with precious personalities couldn't take insults.
Wasn't the best choice of words, but wasn't a direct attack towards anyone either and I don't think I was too wrong.
By me:Prove me wrong.
Short comment which at the time might have seemed like a passive aggressive remark but I didn't had such an intent.
I seriously don't get why you guys don't just get over your shit attitudes towards it. If everyone could just not post like a total douchebag then there would be no problem with keeping ab up, but you're all basically saying "no, I want to be an asshole to whoever I want, I want freedom!"
That was a personal attack to me and a few others I believe.
By me:Do you think, that I'm a complete idiot and I want ab back to only insult people without a reason?
While this wasn't a smart comment it wasn't a personal attack either or at least wasn't intended to.
No, but you do like to be a little bitch about things when you don't get your way.
Yet another personal attack.
By me:Could you just shut up for once? Am I not allowed to defend my opinion without you saying shit?
I've got tired of constantly getting insulted.
Now you're going to get all defensive? I wouldn't normally give a shit, but every single reply you made makes it sound like whoever you're talking to just killed your dog.
Take some estrogen pills or some shit. Fuck. You seriously need to take your bitching down a notch or two.
Or six.
I don't think that saying "stop your bitching" to someone will actually make it happen.
By me:>bitching
Haha, good one.
Also I never felt better, Snivy, thanks for asking.
Considering the situation at the time, this wasn't that much of a big deal either.
you can't really keep your calm in an argument and do gradually change it to personal attacks in a sense.
That happens because I get personally attacked first and it usually takes more then 1 or 2 attacks to trigger me, but when things like that add up, then even 1 is enough.
The problem with all of this in an administrator position is quite obvious. If you can't argue decently with a calm attitude and co-operate and work with others, then how are you supposed to work with the rest of the admins?
That is a bad example because that's not how I normally handle arguments because usually I don't get attacked as much. Also as I've said an admin must be capable of making decisions without being effected by their emotions or attitudes.
I just have to question if you'd still be a good admin promotion due to your progressing attitude. I do hope that you can work on it and fix it, and to be able to work well with everyone and get your point across without sounding aggravated, offensive, etc. If you can work on that I would then still be certain that I'd want you promoted
My attitude is fine and I fell good and confident about it. But when thinking of my attitude don't take the example of it from those 2 threads, take it from this one or many others.
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I'm going to explain each post so that you could see them from MY point of view.
I was being constantly blamed for "ruining" the old zs because I "hate" it also happened on in-game as well. Also called biased. All I ever wanted is make the gameplay better for everyone, not for a group of several people.
By me:I admit I have no idea why I've said it.
By me:After all of those posts and in-game crap I decided to add some retaliation. At the time I posted that, to me it seemed like I wasn't giving more negativity then I myself received.
By me:Not the best choice of words, but isn't a personal attack either.
Direct personal attack towards me.
By me:Considering what he said to me, this wasn't a big deal.
Next thread:
By me:Wasn't the best choice of words, but wasn't a direct attack towards anyone either and I don't think I was too wrong.
By me:
Short comment which at the time might have seemed like a passive aggressive remark but I didn't had such an intent.That was a personal attack to me and a few others I believe.
By me:While this wasn't a smart comment it wasn't a personal attack either or at least wasn't intended to.
Yet another personal attack.
By me:I've got tired of constantly getting insulted.
I don't think that saying "stop your bitching" to someone will actually make it happen.
By me:Considering the situation at the time, this wasn't that much of a big deal either.
That happens because I get personally attacked first and it usually takes more then 1 or 2 attacks to trigger me, but when things like that add up, then even 1 is enough.That is a bad example because that's not how I normally handle arguments because usually I don't get attacked as much. Also as I've said an admin must be capable of making decisions without being effected by their emotions or attitudes.
My attitude is fine and I fell good and confident about it. But when thinking of my attitude don't take the example of it from those 2 threads, take it from this one or many others.
Pretty much nothing you've said changes anything I've said.
What Snivy said wasn't a complete attack on you, he was saying that you came across as an arrogant asshole, which you do. Yes he could have sugar coated it nicely, but it wasn't a big deal. He wasn't even directly calling you arrogant or an asshole, just saying that you're coming across that way similar to what I've said to you.
"It was taken down because some idiots were constantly spamming and samefagging and some people with precious personalities couldn't take insults."
Actually, that is ABSOLUTELY a direct personal attack to basically anyone who "samefagged" or spammed. For the "samefagging" shit, it was fucking stupid. I don't think I actually saw someone once do something significant along those lines, instead only people accusing people of that when it often wasn't true... So in a way you're actually calling everyone who wrongfully accused people of it as stupid, and maybe even the people wrongfully accused themselves. On top of that you're directly calling everyone who wanted ab down or at least that used the argument that people on there were being unnecessary douchebags (including me) a princess by saying we have precious personalities and can't take insults. Ironic at that as well.
"Short comment which at the time might have seemed like a passive aggressive remark but I didn't had such an intent."
Pretty much every post int hat thread and in many others are/were constantly passive aggressive, and like Snivy and I have said, just comes across as snobby, arrogant, and rude.
My post also wasn't directed at anyone in particular but was my interpretation of most people's overall reasoning. I also wasn't speaking literally and saying that everyone in ab was like that, just that some in particular did, and no, not you. It's also not a personal attack. The purpose of the post wasn't to degrade someone or their character. Though I implied that everyone was acting extremely stubborn and wouldn't listen, because most of them were.
As for Snivy saying you act like a little bitch when you don't get what you want, yea, he could have said it in a far better way but it still doesn't justify you retaliating in a similar or even worse way. You need to stop trying to twist this into you being the victim and blaming other people though. It's not going to help anything. I'm not saying that you need to sit there and just accept insults and admit to everything we say, but there are far better ways to deal with these situations and it's not to act poorly back. And any ways, this is about you becoming admin, not Snivy. I know we can work fine with Snivy, because for the most part we do. You're the one we're unsure of.
And for "I don't think that saying "stop your bitching" to someone will actually make it happen."
I've already explained why I think that kind of attitude is justifiable in this situation, to an extent. If anyone was to sit there and say "please, accept my opinion" you're definitely just going to shoot them down or ignore them. It's very clear and you've acted that way before. It's also not necessarily a bad thing, but I think it's necessary to be strict with you sometimes.
"Considering the situation at the time, this wasn't that much of a big deal either."
Actually, it kind of was. It's just yet another comment which you were unable to keep your emotion out of with plenty of aggressive sarcasm. It generally sets a bad mood for everyone.
"That is a bad example because that's not how I normally handle arguments because usually I don't get attacked as much."
I've seen it way more than just in the examples given though. If it was one situation then that wouldn't be a problem, but it wasn't.
"My attitude is fine and I fell good and confident about it. But when thinking of my attitude don't take the example of it from those 2 threads, take it from this one or many others."
I'm not going to spend all my time finding examples for this stuff. It's completely unnecessary and in reality I shouldn't even be arguing this. We're simply here telling you that several people are having a problem with your general attitude recently. We have no need to prove that. This isn't a report. But even in this thread it still shows your personality with you being extremely defensive giving as little as possible ownership for poor action and not even actually saying you're going to improve. Instead, just trying to prove everyone wrong with reasoning and examples that have already happened. Instead, the best thing right now would probably just be to maybe very briefly explain why you acted the way you did, and to say that it wasn't intended and will be worked on. Not to argue every single point anyone makes against you unless there's very good reason for it. Which in this case, I don't think there is.
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Pretty much nothing you've said changes anything I've said.
I just simply said how things looked from my perspective.
What Snivy said wasn't a complete attack on you, he was saying that you came across as an arrogant asshole, which you do. Yes he could have sugar coated it nicely, but it wasn't a big deal. He wasn't even directly calling you arrogant or an asshole, just saying that you're coming across that way similar to what I've said to you.
It might haven't been, but it just seemed to me like that at that moment.
"It was taken down because some idiots were constantly spamming and samefagging and some people with precious personalities couldn't take insults."
Actually, that is ABSOLUTELY a direct personal attack to basically anyone who "samefagged" or spammed. For the "samefagging" shit, it was fucking stupid. I don't think I actually saw someone once do something significant along those lines, instead only people accusing people of that when it often wasn't true... So in a way you're actually calling everyone who wrongfully accused people of it as stupid, and maybe even the people wrongfully accused themselves. On top of that you're directly calling everyone who wanted ab down or at least that used the argument that people on there were being unnecessary douchebags (including me) a princess by saying we have precious personalities and can't take insults. Ironic at that as well.
I didn't attacked anyone individually, that's what I meant by direct attack. Also I doubt that spamming and samefagging is a good thing.
I also didn't meant that everyone who wanted ab down = people with precious personalities.
Also not quite sure why that irony thingy was necessary.
"Short comment which at the time might have seemed like a passive aggressive remark but I didn't had such an intent."
Pretty much every post int hat thread and in many others are/were constantly passive aggressive, and like Snivy and I have said, just comes across as snobby, arrogant, and rude.
No, not all of them are, it's what you choose to believe which is fine as long as you're not saying it like it would be a fact.
My post also wasn't directed at anyone in particular but was my interpretation of most people's overall reasoning. I also wasn't speaking literally and saying that everyone in ab was like that, just that some in particular did, and no, not you. It's also not a personal attack. The purpose of the post wasn't to degrade someone or their character. Though I implied that everyone was acting extremely stubborn and wouldn't listen, because most of them were.
I thought it was, I was wrong.
As for Snivy saying you act like a little bitch when you don't get what you want, yea, he could have said it in a far better way but it still doesn't justify you retaliating in a similar or even worse way. You need to stop trying to twist this into you being the victim and blaming other people though. It's not going to help anything. I'm not saying that you need to sit there and just accept insults and admit to everything we say, but there are far better ways to deal with these situations and it's not to act poorly back. And any ways, this is about you becoming admin, not Snivy. I know we can work fine with Snivy, because for the most part we do. You're the one we're unsure of.
Yes, but you need to stop blaming me for everything as well. And why is that bad things are always noticed over the good ones? This might have been the reason why there was a time when people weren't too happy with each other as well.
And for "I don't think that saying "stop your bitching" to someone will actually make it happen."
I've already explained why I think that kind of attitude is justifiable in this situation, to an extent. If anyone was to sit there and say "please, accept my opinion" you're definitely just going to shoot them down or ignore them. It's very clear and you've acted that way before. It's also not necessarily a bad thing, but I think it's necessary to be strict with you sometimes.
Absolutely no. If I'm being addressed politely, I will respond politely as well.
"Considering the situation at the time, this wasn't that much of a big deal either."
Actually, it kind of was. It's just yet another comment which you were unable to keep your emotion out of with plenty of aggressive sarcasm. It generally sets a bad mood for everyone.
It was fairly obvious that I wasn't in my best mood, so that was like spilling gasoline on fire. And no, I'm not implying that I acted good in that situation.
"That is a bad example because that's not how I normally handle arguments because usually I don't get attacked as much."
I've seen it way more than just in the examples given though. If it was one situation then that wouldn't be a problem, but it wasn't.
But then how did you completely agreed with me being promoted before, and now because of those few threads you changed your opinion?
"My attitude is fine and I fell good and confident about it. But when thinking of my attitude don't take the example of it from those 2 threads, take it from this one or many others."
I'm not going to spend all my time finding examples for this stuff. It's completely unnecessary and in reality I shouldn't even be arguing this. We're simply here telling you that several people are having a problem with your general attitude recently. We have no need to prove that. This isn't a report. But even in this thread it still shows your personality with you being extremely defensive giving as little as possible ownership for poor action and not even actually saying you're going to improve. Instead, just trying to prove everyone wrong with reasoning and examples that have already happened. Instead, the best thing right now would probably just be to maybe very briefly explain why you acted the way you did, and to say that it wasn't intended and will be worked on. Not to argue every single point anyone makes against you unless there's very good reason for it. Which in this case, I don't think there is.
Improve? On what? Mistakes happen to everyone, the best I can do I believe is to try that it wouldn't happen again. And I already have explained why I acted like that, it was because I've failed to deal with negativity which I received for trying to improve our servers(by that I mean modifying the rule list).
And I don't argue if I don't think that I have a good reason for it.
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Improve? On what? Mistakes happen to everyone, the best I can do I believe is to try that it wouldn't happen again. And I already have explained why I acted like that, it was because I've failed to deal with negativity which I received for trying to improve our servers(by that I mean modifying the rule list).
Flashbacks, holy shit.
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Flashbacks, holy shit.
What do you mean?
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I'm going to stop because I'm clearly not getting anywhere.
Just want to say though that I said several times that the examples given weren't the only times that you've acted this way. If it was one or two times I wouldn't be considering it a big problem, but I've been noticing it a LOT and progressively more and more. That's why it makes the difference from me wanting you promoted and me having second thoughts on that. As I've explained it could easily affect your performance as an admin.