[DICUSSION] New VIP Application Process

[Pilgrim]

Either way, make it an Odd number that isn't 1. That way you can work off the majority.

[ursus]

Don and Snivy 2012.

I really can't think of anyone else I'd trust to do it. ._____.

[Deathie]

Don and Snivy 2012.

I really can't think of anyone else I'd trust to do it. ._____.

To be completely fair,

I think me and Don think too much alike for what the system is meant for. It should be people with somewhat different views on things, so that the actual judging of votes is more accurate.

I'd rather it be Don, Sabb and Hotgreen. They can be our Simon, Paula, and Randy.

Unfortunately, Hotgreen is too inactive (although not by choice, from what I recall) for the system.

I also don't see a reason a trusted VIP can't help with it, just like how people were suggesting Deacon a while back.

[ursus]

I said don and snivy because neither of you have souls.

[Sabb]

I don't see why activity would be a deciding factor. The person who makes the final call should only work off of the votes of the community, and how actually valuable their input it.

Someone who writes three paragraphs on why someone should be VIP would obviously be counted more than someone who just writes one sentence as to why they shouldn't. Someone whose rather, inactive, would be much less biased when it comes to making the final decision.

It does. For example; I only play TTT as far as these temp servers go. But, I know many players form there. Let's say there's a really good player there that I want VIP, but he only plays TTT. You or Hotgreen (due to <insertreasonhere>) wouldn't actually know how he acts in-game, but maybe he's made a mistake and done something semi-stupid on the forums, therefore you both don't want him promoted. The opinion of the admin who actually PLAYS with that player would in most cases need to be weighed in more.


EDIT:
Not to point fingers here but...

I said don and snivy because neither of you have souls.

Yes, lets put our sole trust into Don or Snivy to make final decisions on who to promote, after promoting both Little Fox and Pheonix in retaliation to Jman's semi-derp. You can see my concerns here.

[Deathie]

It does. For example; I only play TTT as far as these temp servers go. But, I know many players form there. Let's say there's a really good player there that I want VIP, but he only plays TTT. You or Hotgreen (due to <insertreasonhere>) wouldn't actually know how he acts in-game, but maybe he's made a mistake and done something semi-stupid on the forums, therefore you both don't want him promoted. The opinion of the admin who actually PLAYS with that player would in most cases need to be weighed in more.

Everyone is voting though.

The admins and VIP's would still give their input in the applications, and explain why they feel the applicant should or shouldn't be approved.

The supposed three people making the final decision are supposed to look at all the responses, and ONLY agree on what the general consensus of the people who gave their opinion on it was. Not their own personal bias or opinion.

[Don]

EDIT:
Not to point fingers here but...Yes, lets put our sole trust into Don or Snivy to make final decisions on who to promote, after promoting both Little Fox and Pheonix in retaliation to Jman's semi-derp. You can see my concerns here.

>Not to point fingers here
>proceeds to point fingers
._.
Why even bother bringing that up? Like, it's in no way related to what we're discussing.
Not to mention that he wasn't even saying you should put your sole trust into us.

[Sabb]

Everyone is voting though.

The admins and VIP's would still give their input in the applications, and explain why they feel the applicant should or shouldn't be approved.

The supposed three people making the final decision are supposed to look at all the responses, and ONLY agree on what the general consensus of the people who gave their opinion on it was. Not their own personal bias or opinion.

No I'm not talking about personal bias/opinion there ._.. I'm talking about how everyone was saying that one person would decide in general to promote or not, based on the arguments yet weighing in certain admins' opinions more heavily.

[Deathie]

No I'm not talking about personal bias/opinion there ._.. I'm talking about how everyone was saying that one person would decide in general to promote or not, based on the arguments yet weighing in certain admins' opinions more heavily.

It does. For example; I only play TTT as far as these temp servers go. But, I know many players form there. Let's say there's a really good player there that I want VIP, but he only plays TTT. You or Hotgreen (due to <insertreasonhere>) wouldn't actually know how he acts in-game, but maybe he's made a mistake and done something semi-stupid on the forums, therefore you both don't want him promoted. The opinion of the admin who actually PLAYS with that player would in most cases need to be weighed in more.

You explicitly said "don't want him promoted because he's made a mistake and done something semi-stupid on the forums" which is taking personal bias into account.

It should be, despite our personal feelings towards the person, based on what everyone else has to say. Not what we say.

[Sabb]

You explicitly said "don't want him promoted because he's made a mistake and done something semi-stupid on the forums" which is taking personal bias into account.

It should be, despite our personal feelings towards the person, based on what everyone else has to say. Not what we say.

...No... I mean something like... idk, posting adult content being unaware of the rules or something... or causing issues on the forums resulting in a ban or something, then later becoming better particularly on the servers.

[Don]

...No... I mean something like... idk, posting adult content being unaware of the rules or something... or causing issues on the forums resulting in a ban or something, then later becoming better particularly on the servers.

So rougly said you're saying,
Comparing to the old system,
admins active ingame would be the same as in the old system
and inactive admins would be like VIP voters?

I'd actually be okay with this.

[Deathie]

...No... I mean something like... idk, posting adult content being unaware of the rules or something... or causing issues on the forums resulting in a ban or something, then later becoming better particularly on the servers.

But again, that's taking personal bias as your judgement. We could be against the promotion all we want, but if every single vote in the application (except our own) was for the promotion, we'd have to promote him.

[Prox]

So rougly said you're saying,
Comparing to the old system,
admins active ingame would be the same as in the old system
and inactive admins would be like VIP voters?

I'd actually be okay with this.

I don't think there would much admins with full vote ability then. What if this would apply to VIPs too?

[Shawn]

I like the panel idea but i think it should be 5 people in it 3 from the admin staff 1 VIP and 1 REG that would give it great diversity

[Foofoojack]

I like the panel idea but i think it should be 5 people in it 3 from the admin staff 1 VIP and 1 REG that would give it great diversity

Yesss, yesss.. You are getting a bit shaky with the reg, so this person would have to be very trusted - but I like the overall idea.