[DICUSSION] New VIP Application Process

[Shawn]

Yesss, yesss.. You are getting a bit shaky with the reg, so this person would have to be very trusted - but I like the overall idea.

Yes, that person would have to be trusted lol I threw the Reg in there because lets be honest only REGS truly know who people act in-game its no secret people act differently when a Admin/VIP are in game.

[Foofoojack]

Yes, that person would have to be trusted lol I threw the Reg in there because lets be honest only REGS truly know who people act in-game its no secret people act differently when a Admin/VIP are in game.

You're mostly right, except for some VIP's/admins

[Deathie]

I like the panel idea but i think it should be 5 people in it 3 from the admin staff 1 VIP and 1 REG that would give it great diversity

Thats a horrible idea.

[○ Μαρία ○]

Thats a horrible idea.

Well that was harsh.
I think that [a] VIP(s) should have some sort of say. Depending solely on what the admins think, I don't know; deciding who should get what rank feels more like it should be decided as a community, not just by the highest ranks. As others have said, any of them being biased could bring lacking to their better judgement, and though a lot of people in the community do not have the most thought opinions more often then not, you get more personal thoughts on the matter then just a certain group of people who might not even know the person. These are just my personal thoughts though.

[Deathie]

deciding who should get what rank feels more like it should be decided as a community, not just by the highest ranks. As others have said, any of them being biased could bring lacking to their better judgement, and though a lot of people in the community do not have the most thought opinions more often then not, you get more personal thoughts on the matter then just a certain group of people who might not even know the person. These are just my personal thoughts though.

Not sure if you read the entire thread.

VIP's and Admins will vote just as normal. There'd be just no set minimal. The prospect of having some admins make the final verdict would be based ONLY on the responses of the VIP's and Admins that voted. Not their own personal opinion.

What doesn't seem to be getting across is that the three deciding-people would only go "Okay, so it looks like most of the people are for his promotion, and not against", and whatever the majority feels the overall responses are leaning towards, that's what the final verdict would be. Not "Oh, well we're only going to take these votes into account, but we're the ones whose opinions really matter".

It has nothing to do with the applicant or the application. It's only about the communities response towards it, and how it's interpreted. Having a Reg involved would just over-complicate things and just wouldn't be smart at all.

[○ Μαρία ○]

Not sure if you read the entire thread.

VIP's and Admins will vote just as normal. There'd be just no set minimal. The prospect of having some admins make the final verdict would be based ONLY on the responses of the VIP's and Admins that voted. Not their own personal opinion.

What doesn't seem to be getting across is that the three deciding-people would only go "Okay, so it looks like most of the people are for his promotion, and not against", and whatever the majority feels the overall responses are leaning towards, that's what the final verdict would be. Not "Oh, well we're only going to take these votes into account, but we're the ones whose opinions really matter".

It has nothing to do with the applicant or the application. It's only about the communities response towards it, and how it's interpreted. Having a Reg involved would just over-complicate things and just wouldn't be smart at all.

Oh alright I see, I was confused about this earlier, and the thread had a lot of different stuff going, etc. I think that this sounds like a fine idea, but I can see how the final call decision might be kind of iffy, especially when wanting to put those in a rank they deserve personally, not just because the majority vote says they are good enough.

And yes, though I am sure there are some fine regs out there, I know there are also a lot who can be quite foolish with high decision making.

[Deathie]

Oh alright I see, I was confused about this earlier, and the thread had a lot of different stuff going, etc. I think that this sounds like a fine idea, but I can see how the final call decision might be kind of iffy, especially when wanting to put those in a rank they deserve personally, not just because the majority vote says they are good enough.

That's why there should be three people with totally different views on things, who are mature enough to make a decision like that. The three should be carefully picked for that very reason. It's fine if a VIP is one of them, it just matters WHO is picked.

[Sabb]

But again, that's taking personal bias as your judgement. We could be against the promotion all we want, but if every single vote in the application (except our own) was for the promotion, we'd have to promote him.

...You don't really get what I'm saying at all. ._.

[Hotgreensoldier]

Unfortunately, Hotgreen is too inactive (although not by choice, from what I recall) for the system.

A lot of shit has been going on and Garrysmod is just acting like a complete ass to me so I haven't gotten on much.

If need be, I can be a lot more active.

From what I'm taking is, we need to look at the posts and weigh whether or not these votes have a good amount of reason or thinking into them, and put our own experiences into account with this. If the other admins (one would PROBABLY have experience with the player) approved of this player, both the opinions of the voters and judges would result in you thinking positively of the person.

However, if you personally do not like the person, but they haven't acted bad in-game and has behaved in a well manner, you would have to ignore that and see what everyone else has to say. IF all they say is convincing enough that you are the only one who thinks that person is not the best player to have VIP, you would share your opinions with the other admins. Discussion follows, etc, and whatever the conclusion is, it should be put in along with the judges votes.

then again, I could be completely derping with this post and completely failed to see the point since it feels like I'm about to collapse/die.

[memo3300]

if you guys are searching someone to just count votes without having personal biases on the applicant... it wouldn't be better someone inactive so he wont really know the applicant?

[Shockah]

A 3 person pannel would work just fine, it seems as though we're overcomplicating things.

[Deathie]

if you guys are searching someone to just count votes without having personal biases on the applicant... wouldn't it be better to have someone inactive so he wont really know the applicant?

That's what I said.

[Don]

A 3 person pannel would work just fine, it seems as though we're overcomplicating things.

Pretty much this.

[Deathie]

So new question,

Who would these three people be?

[Shockah]

So new question,

Who would these three people be?

I like Don/Snivy, Sabb, and maybe Deacon for the job. I feel like Snivy and Don are a lot alike (in their hate for all things living) and therefor may share the same bias regardless of how much they try to control it. That being said we need at least one person with a black hole for a heart, so one of them will do. I don't know of another admin candidate to replace Deacon who is probably the best third candidate as of my knowledge, most admins, from what I've heard are dealing with irl issues or are otherwise too inactive. Unless someone has a better suggestion I think Deacon is the guy. Sabb because I feel his opinion (tends to contradict Don/Snivy) will create room for discussion and will enable those measuring the consensus to seriously discuss, review, and absorb the material at hand.