[DICUSSION] New VIP Application Process

[Supertoaster]

it sounds like respected all over again

[Deacon]

I think we should consider someone that we know shows as little bias as possible, like Minic or Xrain.

>doesn't trust me

:<

[Hotgreensoldier]

I think we should consider someone that we know shows as little bias as possible, like Minic or Xrain.

Hmm, true, but aren't they usually busy too?

[Deathie]

I think we should consider someone that we know shows as little bias as possible, like Minic or Xrain.

But that's the same problem with coolz choosing.

In all honesty, I think Deacon would be good for that.

Question for Deacon then.

Let's travel to an alternate universe, where Pheonix was nominated and got a lot of good feedback from everyone, except for you.

What would you do?

I'm not saying you wouldn't make the right choice or anything, but I think you'd struggle with the decision because you /KNOW/ it's a bad idea. It should be someone who could make the choice without a second thought.

To be honest, I figure Don would be perfect since he has no heart.

[Foofoojack]

>doesn't trust me

:<

:<

[Deacon]

But that's the same problem with coolz choosing.

Question for Deacon then.

Let's travel to an alternate universe, where Pheonix was nominated and got a lot of good feedback from everyone, except for you.

What would you do?

I'm not saying you wouldn't make the right choice or anything, but I think you'd struggle with the decision because you /KNOW/ it's a bad idea. It should be someone who could make the choice without a second thought.

To be honest, I figure Don would be perfect since he has no heart.

In this alternate universe, assuming Phoenix wasn't a racist, yes. I've always held to the fact that its easy to demote abusive VIPs, whether abusing their power, or our players.

That being said, Phoenix is a massive racist. Ask anyone that's played with him. Except maybe you, just saying.

That's not the point, though. I could easily leave my opinion out of it. Especially since I have no REAL power to begin with.

[Shockah]

It might not be my place to say this but I think Deacon would be the perfect candidate, he's active, trustworthy, and judging by his last statement and what I know of his character will make the decision the general consensus truly agrees with, not just his own bias.

[Deathie]

It might not be my place to say this but I think Deacon would be the perfect candidate, he's active, trustworthy, and judging by his last statement and what I know of his character will make the decision the general consensus truly agrees with, not just his own bias.

I never doubted that.

I agree with you in the second half, I just think he'd suffer from it more than someone else would.

In the Pheonix example, I just used him as a point where "yeah, you'd make the right decision, but you'd probably be really upset about it." I just wouldn't want to put him through having to make a choice like that when someone else could do it without a real concern.

My votes on Don for that very reason. Unlike Deacon, who would probably take a difficult decision to heart, Don would end up just being cynical about it and not give a damn.

Just like a Republican.

[Don]

In this alternate universe, assuming Phoenix wasn't a racist, yes.

And there's your bias.
It doesn't matter what a person does or did or what others think about him, when dealing with applications, you pretty much have to pretend that you never heard of this person before.

[Sabb]

No one person should be weighing everyone's votes. And no offense Deacon, but especially not you. Simply because you don't play all the servers ie. TTT, meaning you really wouldn't know who's votes to weigh more in... I just say that the admins discuss the promotions AS WE WERE SUPPOSED TO and go from there, meaning the final decision would simply be made by an agreement between admins, and if ABSOLUTELY necessary, then opinion from VIPs, etc could be weighed, or voted on. Pretty much the same as what we were originally supposed to do... because what we were originally supposed to do wasn't a bad idea at all. It just didn't have everyone's cooperation. I think that's sorted out now and everyone finally understands, so it should work fine. Admins are really going to need to actually reply to the promotion threads made though... otherwise the exact same situation is going to eventually happen again.

[Deacon]

No one person should be weighing everyone's votes. And no offense Deacon, but especially not you. Simply because you don't play all the servers ie. TTT, meaning you really wouldn't know who's votes to weigh more in...

because I totally don't play. Like yesterday that wasn't me...

But I agree. The old way was a concrete goal, whereas with this there is too much left in one decision

[Deathie]

Simply because you don't play all the servers ie. TTT, meaning you really wouldn't know who's votes to weigh more in...

because I totally don't play. Like yesterday that wasn't me...

I don't see why activity would be a deciding factor. The person who makes the final call should only work off of the votes of the community, and how actually valuable their input it.

Someone who writes three paragraphs on why someone should be VIP would obviously be counted more than someone who just writes one sentence as to why they shouldn't. Someone whose rather, inactive, would be much less biased when it comes to making the final decision.

[Pilgrim]

I like the whole Unbiased person weighing each vote approach, but why cant we have it so there are 3 people doing it, in a judging panel sort of way?
like if 2/3 judges say yes or however we would be measuring them - This way would be much harder to criticise as if any one person is disapproved of by 2 or more respected members, that person surely shouldn't be a VIP.

[Deathie]

I like the whole Unbiased person weighing each vote approach, but why cant we have it so there are 3 people doing it, in a judging panel sort of way?
like if 2/3 judges say yes or however we would be measuring them - This way would be much harder to criticise as if any one person is disapproved of by 2 or more respected members, that person surely shouldn't be a VIP.

Oh shit.

That's actually a good idea.

It'd be far too difficult to organize something where ALL the admins come to a general consensus,

but if we limit it to the three most active, I think it'd definitely work.

[Don]

Oh shit.

That's actually a good idea.

It'd be far too difficult to organize something where ALL the admins come to a general consensus,

but if we limit it to the three most active, I think it'd definitely work.

Or we could put it to 5.
You know, the number of active admins.