Ban Appeal--Being screwed by the man

[Deathie]

Because people like Dark get mad when he first bloods them with VIABLE REASON,
Want to know why I slayed him shortly before his ban? I shot a vent. That's it. Five seconds into the round. He started claiming I was trying to kill him, even though I hadn't damaged him at all and killed me for it. If this is a "viable reason", I'd honestly like to see what a illegitimate one is.

and besides why are you even complaining Dark the amount of times you've revenge rdm'd him after he killed you for just reason (you didn't see it as just) are innumerable it's ridiculous that you're judging him on his actions when you seem so eager to take the law in to your own hands by breaking the law yourself.
Stop trying to deflect the issue at hand. This has absolutely nothing to do with Dark. If you have a problem with him, make a report about it and bring substantial evidence. Going "oh Dark is just trying to get him banned because he doesn't like him" is stupid. Stone is just deceiving you. You're confusing good logic and intelligence with him just him pulling up some random excuse for his RDM. "When he walked past me and looked at me with a shotgun, that was really traitorous so I killed him" is not a valid reason.

Clearly enough support of stone has arrisen to show that earlier statements of are not entirely correct.
So far, I've only seen one reputable members somewhat support him, or was at least against my decision, but far more who feel he still deserves at least a month ban for it. I've said it before, but I'll say it again. I won't unban him until I see someone bring up a valid reason (and be able to back it) that he's actually a good player and does more good than harm. If another admins wants to lift the ban, that's on him. I'm standing on my position unless someone is able to convince me otherwise.

And again, he's only banned for 2-3 months until the official servers come up. Apparently, he only started acting like this once the temp servers came online, so it's a pretty rational assumption that he'll stop when the official servers are back up, right?

Sorry if it seems like I'm starting to lose my cool. It's just sad that whenever I actually ban someone that's, y'know, a problem, there always seems to be people who are completely against it and feel that I'm a horrible person. The first page and a half of this thread was people going "Oh well then ban these people if you're going to ban stone".

All I want to do is what's best for you guys, the community. I just think when you've been putting up with him for so long, it becomes difficult to tell what's bad and what's good. That's why I'm asking for some sort of proof that he's a good player, becuase I keep hoping you'll realize what kind of a person he really is if you do. Theoretically, it should be really easy to do that if he's a reputable person, right? Hell, if you re-read the OP, he contradicts about half of the positive stuff you've said about him.

Fuck. I'm just starting to go off into a tangent, and this is turning into a shitty half-thought out response. Read it how you will, just know that I (at least try) to have your best interest at heart. If you really want this guy back on the servers, just show me. Show me why you like him so much, and why the servers wouldn't be the same (for the worse) without him.

[Shockah]

lol thanks shockah him shooting me for opening a door, being afk near him at round start and walking past him at random times are most definitely justified reasons.
Him killing people while they're reading the f1 "how to" guide (after being told to) (aka. afk) and then claiming they either shot him or followed him is most certainly acceptable as well.

I'm not saying that he deserves this beyond a doubt. I'm saying that he did deserve a "ban" for him continuing these actions after being warned against /kicked over it repeatedly then continuing after the kicker leaves then raging whoever kicked him publicly ingame while doing exactly what he was kicked for.

And Shocka you know one example right off: Stone minge rdming fuzion because "he's a faggot" or do you chose what you remember. After all you kicked him for it and he still continued until Fuzion changed his name.

And again, he's only banned for 2-3 months until the official servers come up. Apparently, he only started acting like this once the temp servers came online, so it's a pretty rational assumption that he'll stop when the official servers are back up, right?

Sorry if it seems like I'm starting to lose my cool. It's just sad that whenever I actually ban someone that's, y'know, a problem, there always seems to be people who are completely against it and feel that I'm a horrible person. The first page and a half of this thread was people going "Oh well then ban these people if you're going to ban stone".

All I want to do is what's best for you guys, the community. I just think when you've been putting up with him for so long, it becomes difficult to tell what's bad and what's good. That's why I'm asking for some sort of proof that he's a good player, becuase I keep hoping you'll realize what kind of a person he really is if you do. Theoretically, it should be really easy to do that if he's a reputable person, right? Hell, if you re-read the OP, he contradicts about half of the positive stuff you've said about him.

Fuck. I'm just starting to go off into a tangent, and this is turning into a shitty half-thought out response. Read it how you will, just know that I (at least try) to have your best interest at heart. If you really want this guy back on the servers, just show me. Show me why you like him so much, and why the servers wouldn't be the same (for the worse) without him.

You're right I did and do you know what Fuzion was doing? Being disrespectful as hell towards him both before and after, I contemplated not kicking stone because of that I specifically told fuzion to stop being disrespectful and he didn't, stone gets a lot of shit from a lot of people and I understand him doing what he did, does that mean he didn't deserve to be punished? No, and if you remember correctly I kicked stone because he karma farmed afterwards not because he rdm'd alone it was the combination and the fact that the server was full that lead to that. Snivy you're absolutely correct about the dark dilemna I shouldn't be talking about that here, myself and pilot have given you reasons as to why he's a good player what proof do we have of this? How can we obtain proof of someone being a good player, I play with him every damn day what am I suppose to screenshot peoples kindness, and no it has nothing to do with the temp servers whoever told you that, spoke wrong he has always held the same playstyle so what's the solution then perma ban? I completely understand you being fired up and know that I take nothing to heart as should you, clearly you feel passionately about this as do I and it's all in the sake of making a point.

[Frank]

Karma farming is borderline not even a rule, what matters is what he did before karma farming and I believe that's why it's a rule in the first place so people can't get away with rdming entirely even if they get away with it punishment wise, fact of the matter is he doesn't rdm, just because that person hasn't acted yet doesn't make it rdm, and karma farming is a minor offense shouldn't be bannable in the first place and if so for a week TOPS even after doing it so many times it does not warrant a 1-2 month ban.

Karma farming is absolutely minor. But hey, check this out:
suppose you own a shop.
Suppose a guy always comes to your shop, and steals a bar of chocolate worth 2 dollars.

And he comes often. Reeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaally often. Like, everyday. Sometimes, twice a day.

And he does this for a month. Wouldn't you kick the guy the fuck out of your store and forbid him from ever coming again?

[Fenix]

Just to add a LITTLE more why he is banned for a while: Whitehouse, it's the temp servers. I am calling the elevator and have a deagle out. I look at stone's head (I was a traitor, he had no proof on me) for about 2 seconds and he blasts my head off. Next: I walk into a room he was in for 5 seconds and he blasts me. Yet again, on the temp servers. Plenty of other instances that are too vague for me to remember, but those are the clearest.

[Kahuna]

He does that often and his response is usually " you were acting like a traitor" but still the duration of the ban is a bit long. I think it needs to be reduced to 1-2 weeks.

[Deathie]

He does that often and his response is usually " you were acting like a traitor" but still the duration of the ban is a bit long. I think it needs to be reduced to 1-2 weeks.

The reason it's "so long" is because of his repeat offenses, multiple warnings, kicks, and bans. It's not like this is the first time he's been banned for doing this kind of stuff.

[Travelsonic]

Karma farming is absolutely minor. But hey, check this out:
suppose you own a shop.
Suppose a guy always comes to your shop, and steals a bar of chocolate worth 2 dollars.

And he comes often. Reeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaally often. Like, everyday. Sometimes, twice a day.

And he does this for a month. Wouldn't you kick the guy the fuck out of your store and forbid him from ever coming again?

Umm,mmm yeah, that IMO is a terrible analogy.

[Deathie]

Umm,mmm yeah, that IMO is a terrible analogy.

How so?

[Shockah]

How so?

I never thought I'd say this, I agree with terminal how can you relate stealing/shoplifting a criminal offense and involving personal gain to giving a shitty reason for killing someone on a gmod server.

[Deathie]

This being banned is another problem with having immature idiots in charge of the games and how they are run.

I, F***in' Stone Cold, STEAM_0:1:40757497, am an honest player always.  I never break the rules intentionally. And this has nothing to do with what this is about.
     I was playing game as usual, along with an idiot that is a regular player. By regular I mean everyday. He is probably a "regular", but that not the point. Anyone who plays as often as I do in this one game knows who i'm talking about. First, this person often suicides when not T at start of round. Second, he tells everyone on a regular basis that he is T when he is one. And, on a regular basis, will help rdmers get their karma back by telling them he will help them, next round when he T he looks for them and either shows them knife to let them know so they will shoot him, or he will kill another inno in front of the rdmer that he is helping by doing this. This player gets upset when I, playing by rules, kill him. Then he either rdms me or baits me into shooting him when he inno. This is everyday thing and I can record it to prove easy cause this is his way of playing.
     Why spend so much time talking about an idiot, you wander?  Because he was the one talking to your dumbass admin about his opinion of me and helped nudge admin into banning me for reason that was not true. Admin "Nobody" shot at me during one round and may have hit me. That part i don't remember. But I remember game and round clearly because of what happened next.
     I was coming out of a building (can't remember name of map) when Nobody shot at me. I shot back killing him. I know from common sense that while I continued playing , one player in particular was feeding this admin a bunch of his opinions about me. At end of round this asshole player, not the admin was asking why i shot Nobody" . He said over and over, "Nobody shot first". That stupid son of a bitch ":Nobody" slayed me during round. then when I was telling him what I thought of that, he banned me. I SHOT AT THAT SON OF A BITCH BECAUSE HE SHOT AT ME FIRST. And that's the facts to anyone who gives a shit.
     Yes , as I type , i am getting more and more pissed about it. LISTEN TO THIS AND AGREE OR DISAGREE, I DON'T CARE.  I ALWAYS PLAY GAMES BY RULES. I DON'T HAVE TO WIN TO HAVE FUN AND ENJOY PLAYING. I ONLY PLAY THIS ONE GAME ON THIS ONE SERVER. THE HONEST REGULARS KNOW ME AND SOMETIMES GET MAD CAUSE I KILL THEM FIRST WHEN THEY ARE T. THAT'S BECAUSE THEY WILL DO THINGS THAT TELL ME SO.
I ADD TO THE GAME, MEANING MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE FUN WHEN I'M THERE.

Yeah, you sound like you're the real life of the fuckin' party.

Seriously, if you have to resort to calling me an idiot, a son of a bitch and a dumbass, JUST to get yourself unbanned, you have some bigger problems to worry about than being banned from a game server for a couple months.

Why aren't you guys really able to see what kind of a person he is? He even contradicts himself at the start, by saying "I never break the rules intentionally".

Honestly now, is that your excuse?

You've been warned, kicked, and banned multiple times, yet you CONTINUE to do those things. I don't know how much clearer we can get when we tell you to NOT break the rules.

I don't want to unban him because I KNOW he'll continue. No amount of warnings will stop him. Theres countless examples to back this up. There's proof even in this thread. He keeps trying to assert he's not at fault here, and claims that he's just banned becuase of 'how good' he is at the game, which isn't the case.

He can't even make a ban appeal correctly.

Think about Stone. Think about what he does, the way he talks, the way he acts, and even the way he things. Think of all the good and bad times you've had with him and ask yourself "Is he really worth the trouble?" There's a clear reason why I'm fighting so hard to convince you he's not. If you're able to understand my position, fully and not just using small bits and fragments of information from my posts, AND you're able to give me an honest, educated, rational answer, then we'll see what happens from there. I know you probably think I'm the worst person in the world right now, who can't do anything right, but remember that I'm still willing to try and resolve the issue with you.

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Re-reading over that seems a bit confusing as to who I'm talking to. The first couple sentences that refer to the OP as "you" is directed at stone. The rest of the "you"'s are towards the people who feel the need to defend him.

[Stone Cold]

Hello. Just skimming over this stuff I see there's players claiming I've said words that would never come out of my mouth. Words that are really bad and to me, disgusting.  All this talking is not doing anything. Yes, Shockah, i appreciate your taking up for me. At times I do get pissed at immature players that would continually rdm me or traitor bait. Very childish.
     The players, including VIP's, that play the game I played on regular basis, and there about everyday, know that Dark Pacifist would a lot of times let players know he was T. A lot of times he would suicide at beginning of round. He tells a player out loud for all to hear that he will help them with their low karma. There karma is low for shooting wrong people by the way. sometimes rdm, sometimes accident, sometimes stupidity.
     Shockah, you and my other friends that defend me, though I am glad to know who my friends are, don't waste your time arguing with these childish, constant rule breaking players.  Why no VIP or admin puts a stop to out and out cheating like Dark does out in open is beyond me. But you're beating a dead horse. You, Shockah, know who does what in the games, and to argue right from wrong with these players is silly. Stating the facts to the ones in charge is cool but don't waste your time talking to anyone who was never taught right from wrong or how to respect others.
     My scores and records I have say it all. And, my complainging constantly to admin about suspected cheaters and hackers tells everyone that the scores I earned I came by honest.  Dark and the other cheaters helping each other. Their records don't mean crap because they came by them dishonestly.
     AND TO ANYONE THAT READS THIS:  HOW CAN I , F***IN' STONE COLD, HAVE A HIGH SCORE AVERAGE IF WHAT I AM DOING IS RDMING?  What i do, and I've said this before because it's true, is shoot who I suspect is T. I don't shoot who I think is dumbass. that would be a lot of players falling from shotgun to face. lol
That's how police get their man. If he acts suspiciously odd, does things that are questionable(looking back and forth as to see if anyone is around), or even looking around prior to planned attack, (going into room or part of map and seeing that it is clear of witnesses, then coming out and waiting for player or victim to enter said area, then following him in. That's suspicious. It's simple to anyone with a functioning brain.
     And, one last time, "I CAME OUT OF BUILDING AFTER KILLING ONE T, AND AS SOON AS I DID "NOBODY" SHOT AT ME. I KILLED HIM. HE WAS T, WHICH IS GOOD THING. BUT HE SHOT FIRST. I DO NOT RDM. I CAN NOT COME OUT OF BUILDING AND THINK "HEY, THAT GUY STANDING OVER THERE AWAY FROM ME IS SUSPICIOUS LOOKING MAYBE I SHOULD KILL HIM." THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. HE SHOT FIRST, AND AS IN LIFE I DEFENDED MYSELF.  SOMETIMES I HAVE TO DEFEND MYSELF AGAINST IDIOTS. ESPECIALLY WHEN YOUNG IDIOT KOSes ME. THEN OTHER NOT SO BRIGHTS START SHOOTING AT ME. I HAVE TO WANDER "IS THIS PERSON SHOOTING BECAUSE I WAS KOSED OR ARE THEY A T AND GETTING AWAY WITH KILLING ME. SOMETIMES I TAKE RISK OF LOOSING KARMA AND SHOOT BACK. SOMETIMES I JUST STAND THERE TIRED OF DEALING WITH THESE TYPES OF PLAYERS AND LET THEM KILL ME.
     
     STONE COLD'S BOTTOM LINE: I PLAY BY GUT INSTINCT AND MY SCORES RECORDED ON SCOREBOARD SHOW I AM NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG. MY GUT IS NOT STEERING ME WRONG AND I WILL NOT CHANGE FOR ANYONE AS I HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG. the ones working so hard with complaints are the problem, including admin that banned me after shooting first. I HAVE PLAYED THIS GAME SO MUCH I KNOW HOW TO MOVE AND SHOOT TO LIVE LONGER AND PLAY BETTER THAN YOU PART TIME PLAYERS. DON'T GET MAD BECAUSE YOU DIED AT HAND OF STONE COLD. LEARN FROM ME, EVEN ASK FOR ADVISE, I'LL HELP YOU UNTIL U TURN ON ME. BUT I AM GOOD PLAYER BECAUSE I DID IT EVERYDAY. YES ONCE IN A WHILE I MAKE MISTAKE, PEOPLE DO IN LIFE THAT GETS OTHERS KILLED, FRIENDLY FIRE. BUT  I'M ALWAYS HONEST. NEVER CHEAT. AND IF STONE COLD IS TO EVER RETURN TO PLAY, AND I AM T, I WILL KILL YOU. JUST SAY "THANK YOU STONE COLD FOR BLOWING MY HEAD OFF, I NEEDED THAT." AND LIFE GOES ON.  PEACE OUT, S.C.

[Deathie]

SOMETIMES I HAVE TO DEFEND MYSELF AGAINST IDIOTS. ESPECIALLY WHEN YOUNG IDIOT KOSes ME. THEN OTHER NOT SO BRIGHTS START SHOOTING AT ME. I HAVE TO WANDER "IS THIS PERSON SHOOTING BECAUSE I WAS KOSED OR ARE THEY A T AND GETTING AWAY WITH KILLING ME. SOMETIMES I TAKE RISK OF LOOSING KARMA AND SHOOT BACK. SOMETIMES I JUST STAND THERE TIRED OF DEALING WITH THESE TYPES OF PLAYERS AND LET THEM KILL ME.

I HAVE PLAYED THIS GAME SO MUCH I KNOW HOW TO MOVE AND SHOOT TO LIVE LONGER AND PLAY BETTER THAN YOU PART TIME PLAYERS. DON'T GET MAD BECAUSE YOU DIED AT HAND OF STONE COLD. LEARN FROM ME, EVEN ASK FOR ADVISE, I'LL HELP YOU UNTIL U TURN ON ME. BUT I AM GOOD PLAYER BECAUSE I DID IT EVERYDAY. YES ONCE IN A WHILE I MAKE MISTAKE, PEOPLE DO IN LIFE THAT GETS OTHERS KILLED, FRIENDLY FIRE. BUT  I'M ALWAYS HONEST. NEVER CHEAT. AND IF STONE COLD IS TO EVER RETURN TO PLAY, AND I AM T, I WILL KILL YOU. JUST SAY "THANK YOU STONE COLD FOR BLOWING MY HEAD OFF, I NEEDED THAT." AND LIFE GOES ON.  PEACE OUT, S.C.

[Stone Cold]

Well, after looking at percentage, i guess i could be more selective about who meets their demise at the hands of Stone Cold.  I strive to be one of the top players and can do better at killing who should die.  Misunderstood chart I looked at and I see that I do shoot wrong players to often so I will play different if and when I play again. Not because was ordered to but because I am good and want to be better. I strive for perfection. So I'll shoot only when it's warranted.

[[TTPN] ShadowMoon]

Stone, enough of your ........ , explain why every single time after you killing innos (either by mistake or targeted) , you straight away turn to spectator and leave it till your karma gets to 800~900+

[Samo]

Ok, both of you have somewhat equal arguments, and I didn't know that Snivy was so convincing! How about we stop all of this bull and find an alternative we can all agree on. How about a shortened ban. Stone plays often, and I mean REALLY often and Snivy just wants to help the community. This appeal is mostly on opinion, you either love stone or you hate him. And as these arguments continue nothing will happen, and the tread will be locked. Therefore something must be done. Stone has been quite an influence on the server. How about a solution that isn't completely and utterly stupid? Anyone?