Serious Discussion: Should California secede from the United States?

[Cheesicle]

My brother and I was at IHop this morning and we were discussing this topic. It really got me thinking. Should California secede from the United States and become its own country?

I think it should. My reasoning is as follows:

California gives more money to the United States than it receives. Because of this, California has hardly enough to fund programs the people really need such as education. Hell, the freeway outside Baldwin Park has been under renovation for the past 2 years. If California were to secede from the United States, it would have the necessary funds to benefit the people. According to many sources, California would have one of the top economies in the world, if it secedes, of course. On top of that, California is one of the largest producers of agriculture and entertainment. It has the largest population of any State and already has a stable military.

However, I think California would still be involved in the Afghan war alongside America, since a majority of 9/11 victims were Los Angelenos and San Fransiscoians (LOL MY CUSTOM NAMES).

So anyway, what do you think? Should California become it's own country?

If you do not give a shit, please refrain from posting. Kthx.

[Wafflepiezz]

I don't think they should...

Why: I have no clue; I just feel CA is good to where it is now...Plus; if CA secedes, mini battles might erupt.

[Cheesicle]

I don't think they should...

Why: I have no clue; I just feel CA is good to where it is now...Plus; if CA secedes, mini battles might erupt.

Mini battles?

You mean you think California will go to war with the US?

I don't think so

[blαh2355]

Hmmm... I guess they could secede from the U.S. since they have enough resources. One thing I question is that will the U.S. put tariffs on the things California exports? Also, the economy of the U.S. might weaken even more if California does give a big portion to them. On top of that, is most/all of the Californians will be willing to secede from the U.S.?

[Deacon]

The state should split, north/south California.
Then, the south starts shit
and the north ends that shit
thus entering the era of
The United State of California, United States of America

[Foofoojack]

no
its not necessary at all

we don't need to start more shit than we're already in

[Cheesicle]

The US government is sucking all of California's money.

We're one of the most uneducated states in the US.

[Deacon]

The US government is sucking all of California's money.

We're one of the most uneducated states in the US.

you rely on the federal government for that?
set your own standards
stop lowering them so that you can say "we graduated 1000 students"
at a certain point it comes down to the teachers.
but when the state says "YOU MUST TEACH ________, ___________, ____________, ___________, and ___________ because its on the test", theres not a whole lot of improvement to be made.

[Cheesicle]

you rely on the federal government for that?
set your own standards
stop lowering them so that you can say "we graduated 1000 students"
at a certain point it comes down to the teachers.
but when the state says "YOU MUST TEACH ________, ___________, ____________, ___________, and ___________ because its on the test", theres not a whole lot of improvement to be made.

Our public schools are some of the shittiest in the world.
The Teachers in public schools are horrible.
Half my friends don't know what countries are in Europe.
WE NEED HELP.
Students are failing left and right, mostly due to a lack of care towards education.

[Hotgreensoldier]

Sorry man, but from what you are saying, the United States gets a lot of money from California, if they were to stop, the already shitty economy we have right now would be devastated.

There would be more bad effects than good effects.

[Frank]

IMO the whole world should be one, rather than keep separating.

[Cheesicle]

IMO the whole world should be one, rather than keep separating.

YES. But sadly, some people don't want to give up power.
And there will forever be oppressive or stupid leaders that cause people to want Independence.

[Peetah]

You know the idea of the whole world as one would requite a mega leader.
A leader of any corruption is the end.

[Goat]

if they secede then its a civil war all over again, this is the same situation that happened in the 1800s
the south makes tons of money, doesnt get shit from the goverment, they secede and boom, civil war. it will happen again

[Cheesicle]

if they secede then its a civil war all over again, this is the same situation that happened in the 1800s
the south makes tons of money, doesnt get shit from the goverment, they secede and boom, civil war. it will happen again

What.

California won't be seceding to keep slavery, this is completely different. There will be no Civil War if California Secedes.