[DICUSSION] New VIP Application Process

[Sabb]

I'm not entirely satisfied with the current structure of the system.

I read every post in the thread... however I'm still thinking of what to go along with.

I'm also perfectly fine with checking the VIP apps say if Sabb's, or a derivative of his idea, was the applied system.

I have always kept up with 99% of the threads and posts during my activity and the matter of deciding a VIP through his process seems like a relatively seemless addition.

However, I'm still not sure what to say yet and I'll be sure to announce another dicussion, announcement, or both when I do find out what process I want to go with.

Please do keep discussing methods if you have ideas as they do help the thought process for alternative or a combination of ideas.

Well, I mean the old system before the temp servers. We could just revert back to that one, it had no problems really. We could just do that once the normal servers are back up, and keep applications down while the temp servers are up.

[coolzeldad]

Well, I mean the old system before the temp servers. We could just revert back to that one, it had no problems really. We could just do that once the normal servers are back up, and keep applications down while the temp servers are up.

I'm talking about that system specifically :o

[Shockah]

The old system to me, did not seem very fair in the sense that the required number of votes was too high for who was active. To go further a good portion of our administration is inactive they may post here and there in the forums but you never see them in game, and if you do it definitely isn't on ttt (aside from sabb, jman, and recently snivy) so with so few admins actually active you have to get practically all of them to +! AND get SIX vip votes regardless of your personality and how often you play it's a little more then difficult to do so. I think if we revised the number of votes needed or perhaps allowed another vip vote not just 2 then that system would be effective, however I still prefer measuring the response by the content of those for and against and a board deciding upon it. Now that Coolz has said he'd be totally cool with looking over all vip apps that get to him I'm not opposed to sabbs revised version of the system and definitely prefer it over just reducing/making vip votes more meaningful. Whatever happens something needs to be changed.

[Sabb]

I'm talking about that system specifically

Oh lol, well I liked that system. The only BAD thing about it is the fact that 90% of the admins on the active approvers list were innactive.
But... simply to solve that, we could make it so that there is still an active approvers list (which would be about 5 people right now) but also count inactive admins' votes. That way, it's much more fair. Maybe counting the inactive admins' votes as a .5 or something would be best, but that's really the only problem with that.

[memo3300]

instead of having to reach x amount of votes, maybe you could have to reach x amount of plus ones, and the -1 rest the +1.

[Sabb]

instead of having to reach x amount of votes, maybe you could have to reach x amount of plus ones, and the -1 rest the +1.

The way you worded that really doesn't make sense lol.
But I'm assuming you're saying to have -1 votes count against the +1 votes or something?
Not sure... but if that's what you're saying, that would only make it harder... everyone's trying to make it easier, not harder. Again... if that's what you're trying to say at least.

[memo3300]

ya that was what i was trying to say.


But i mean, most of the people who didn't got it was because the amount of votes they needed to get was to high, not because they had -1's.

this way the people with enought +1 with no one with a reason of giving a -1 could get it.

[Sabb]

ya that was what i was trying to say.


But i mean, most of the people who didn't got it was because the amount of votes they needed to get was to high, not because they had -1's.

this way the people with enought +1 with no one with a reason of giving a -1 could get it.

Lots of VIPs have overly biased opinions though, which shouldn't really account in their voting to -1 often. So, wouldn't be a good idea.

[Juan_Ambriz]

I think the system should be like before.
BUT
(don't strike me down for my idea)

 we should have an active approval (+1 or -1) list for both VIP's and Admins.
Because if it were only active admins there would only be like 3 or 4.

By active I mean like, active on the servers and who knows the players and such.

[Tezuni]

I propose this:

1. Only active admins can vote
2. Three -1's = automatic rejection
3. Three +1's = approved

(Rule #2 applies instantly, rule #3 applies at the end of the two week application period)
Ex: 2 weeks later, there are TWO -1's, but THREE +1's, and it's approved.
Ex: 1 week later, a third -1 is posted and it's rejected.

[Prox]

I think that we could lower the vote count needed and remove the list of active VIP approvers meaning every admin would be considered as VIP approver, also I think that there shouldn't be a VIP vote limit...



...or we could add the VIPs to the active VIP approvers list meaning that their votes would count as much as other admins, but those VIPs shouldn't be only added because they're active on the servers, and perhaps they should be selected by the admins.

[Shockah]

I think that we could lower the vote count needed and remove the list of active VIP approvers meaning every admin would be considered as VIP approver, also I think that there shouldn't be a VIP vote limit...



...or we could add the VIPs to the active VIP approvers list meaning that their votes would count as much as other admins, but those VIPs shouldn't be only added because they're active on the servers, and perhaps they should be selected by the admins.

This is what I think should be done most, it's not too much of an insane change we're keeping the old system and bending it just a bit. I think if we lower the vote count needed by 1 erase the "active approvers list" and drop the VIP vote limit then that will make the application system just a bit more fair.

[coolzeldad]

This is what I think should be done most, it's not too much of an insane change we're keeping the old system and bending it just a bit. I think if we lower the vote count needed by 1 erase the "active approvers list" and drop the VIP vote limit then that will make the application system just a bit more fair.

That's basically what I was proposing, however votes are detailed comments for or against the applicant with proof.

Then I'll check apps and weigh the considerations of both sides leading to an approval or disapproval.

[Shockah]

That's basically what I was proposing, however votes are detailed comments for or against the applicant with proof.

Then I'll check apps and weigh the considerations of both sides leading to an approval or disapproval.

Well then there we have it, if you are capable of reviewing vip apps (which you've stated you are) then that seems like the most practical option to myself. My only concern would be a person gets 2 votes and because both of those votes are good they get approved which is why I believe there should still be a certain amount of votes required just lowered by 2 or so.

[coolzeldad]

Well then there we have it, if you are capable of reviewing vip apps (which you've stated you are) then that seems like the most practical option to myself. My only concern would be a person gets 2 votes and because both of those votes are good they get approved which is why I believe there should still be a certain amount of votes required just lowered by 2 or so.

I see what you mean but at that point the 2 positive comments would have to be cumulatively convincing to prove the applicant's character.

And in the corner case where the promotion turns out to be a mistake the situation can easily be rectified with a demotion.