Reduce all weapon damage by 50% on stronghold.

[YoBI]

Way to give out everybody's IP... both of you guys just stop ._.

There's no IPs in there, and Steam IDs are publicly available.

[blαh2355]

There's no IPs in there, and Steam IDs are publicly available.

Funny, I found an IP of Sabb in there, traced it, and shows where he actually lives.

[Foofoojack]

Funny, I found an IP of Sabb in there, traced it, and shows where he actually lives.

Same here, going to rape him.

[YoBI]

Oh you're right, oh well.
If Jman or another mod wants to take it down they can, but he's the one whining about context.

[Jman]

I was actually a strong proponent of releasing the gamemode publicly and still am, and I came here to talk about balance.
I've also never told people to come to Riot instead of RND or any other server for that matter.
You and your little community members decided to make this personal, not me.
So don't start raging just because I'm calling you out.
Wait, you're the one calling me out? That doesn't make a lot of sense.

Sabb claimed to have never called me a faggot and got very indignant about me "making shit up."
So regardless of context he is straight up lying to make me look bad, and if we're going to talk about "butt buddies" you sure were quick to cover his ass.
Yeah, like you aren't just trying to make us look bad. My homosex relationship with Sabb has nothing to do with you feeling glorified about being butt buddies with the game mode creator.


I almost never brag and only talk shit to people who whine, act cocky, or call me a hacker.
You may think you're not one of those people but you clearly are.
Understand the difference between talking shit and being an all around asshole.

You really want the context? I'm afraid it doesn't quite fit with the cute little story you've been trying to sell about me.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5ZLBZKRC
Oh so how about the "cute little story" I'm about to sell everyone from your own logs?

And I'm not even going to bother responding to your little edit after making a fit over context just a few lines up...
Okay have fun with that while I take more out of context just like you did.

L 09/30/2011 - 15:04:55: "YoBI<62><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "tell ya what you stupid little shit"
L 09/30/2011 - 15:04:56: "YoBI<62><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "suck my dick"
L 09/30/2011 - 15:04:59: "YoBI<62><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "and ill think about it"
L 09/30/2011 - 15:05:02: "YoBI<62><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "otherwise stfu"
YES SIR. SORRY SIR.

L 09/30/2011 - 21:11:42: "YoBI<195><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "im the best"
L 09/30/2011 - 21:48:33: "YoBI<195><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "you really are stupid as shit xD"
Ikr!!! xDDDDDDDDD

L 10/01/2011 - 02:23:47: "YoBI<279><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "lets call him names"
Good idea man.

L 10/11/2011 - 15:22:56: "liamshaw247<43><STEAM_0:1:34002614><Team>" say "no prop climbing.."
L 10/11/2011 - 15:23:07: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "thats not a rule shut the fuck up"
Wow calm down buddy.

L 10/11/2011 - 17:12:39: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "SO UPSET"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:12:41: "devonjones<80><STEAM_0:1:19625363><Team>" say "mad"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:12:45: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "WHY CANT I HAVE AN AMAZINGLY NEGATIVE KD"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:12:51: "Shawn<89><STEAM_0:0:15261697><Team>" say "If i was "mad" I'd just leae"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:12:55: "Shawn<89><STEAM_0:0:15261697><Team>" say "Leave"
Sorry that everyone's KDR isn't as utterly spectacular as yours is!

L 10/11/2011 - 17:14:15: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "i guess no one in  the history of ever has made fun of someone who was terrible"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:14:18: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "unless they were mad"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:14:20: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "for some reason.."
L 10/11/2011 - 17:14:24: "Sabb<52><STEAM_0:0:32011794><Team>" say "yes"
Herp, with a side of derp.

L 10/11/2011 - 17:15:08: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "but i think actually projecting feelings of being "upset" or "mad""
L 10/11/2011 - 17:15:16: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "is actually a defense mechanism"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:15:22: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "when youre upset for doing terrible"
Ohhhhhh thanks for clearing that up xDDDDD!

L 10/11/2011 - 17:43:06: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "youre making up rules"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:43:10: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "because youre bad"
Yes, because rules totally have to do with skill level, dumb ass.

L 10/11/2011 - 17:44:20: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "im the best person here"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:44:22: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "by far..."
*COUGH* COCKY *COUGH*

L 10/11/2011 - 17:44:55: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "guess what?"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:45:00: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "shitty players like you dont make the rules"
Oh okay you're so great please forgive me.

L 10/11/2011 - 17:45:41: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "youre both terrible"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:45:54: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "i dont know why you hate people who are good though"
No I actually love you.

L 10/11/2011 - 17:47:20: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "theres a reason everyone says "oh shit yobis here""
L 10/11/2011 - 17:47:23: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "i rape everyone"
Really? Wow nice!!11!!1 So pro!!!11

L 10/11/2011 - 17:48:16: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "you realize im friends with the entire stronghold staff right?"
WOW NO WAY MAN?!?!?!

L 10/11/2011 - 17:48:40: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "you can cry all you want"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:48:43: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "because i rape your bases"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:48:48: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "and youre too fucking stupid to remove spawns"
I'm a huge faggot please rape my face base.

L 10/11/2011 - 17:56:15: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "you are stupid as shit"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:58:55: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "if you look at the scoreboard"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:58:58: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "and say im bad"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:59:01: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "you are stupid as fuck"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:59:05: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "and in denial post rape"
cockycockycockycockycocky

L 10/11/2011 - 18:13:15: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "aces you are just terrible..."
L 10/11/2011 - 18:15:59: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "next time undo your spawns"
L 10/11/2011 - 18:16:01: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "you stupid little shit"
L 10/11/2011 - 18:16:04: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "xD"
You sound pretty mad xD

L 10/11/2011 - 18:18:22: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "ive still got 44 more kills than you"
L 10/11/2011 - 18:18:49: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "it really is cute"
L 10/11/2011 - 18:19:03: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "that youre so insecure you have to make excuses for why im doing so well"
Meanwhile everything you ever say against someone somehow is tied to your god-like skill level. Durrrrrrr.

L 10/11/2011 - 22:31:21: "YoBI<229><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "yeah i raped you"
L 10/11/2011 - 22:31:25: "YoBI<229><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "and you failed to do the same to me"
My anus is bleeding sir.

Is the above not enough proof you're nothing more than what I said you were - a cocky douchebag who puts himself above everyone else?

[Deathie]

Is the above not enough proof you're nothing more than what I said you were - a cocky douchebag who puts himself above everyone else?

THEY GROW UP SO FAST.

[YoBI]

Is the above not enough proof you're nothing more than what I said you were - a cocky douchebag who puts himself above everyone else?

Now you're just making a fool out of yourself.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/context

I'll do the first few just for kicks.

L 09/30/2011 - 15:04:55: "YoBI<62><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "tell ya what you stupid little shit"
L 09/30/2011 - 15:04:56: "YoBI<62><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "suck my dick"
L 09/30/2011 - 15:04:59: "YoBI<62><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "and ill think about it"
L 09/30/2011 - 15:05:02: "YoBI<62><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "otherwise stfu"

A random player was threatening to ban me for raiding his base.
It deserves nothing less than this response.

L 09/30/2011 - 21:11:42: "YoBI<195><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "im the best"
L 09/30/2011 - 21:48:33: "YoBI<195><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "you really are stupid as shit xD"

Aces_and_eights was calling me bad when I had the best KD and most kills on the server and he was going negative.
I wouldn't consider this bragging, but this is the only type of circumstance in which I say things like that anyway.
It isn't about showing off, just insulting an idiot for running his mouth.

L 10/01/2011 - 02:23:47: "YoBI<279><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "lets call him names"

I was being sarcastic about people freaking out when one guy's scope was bugged. They were treating him like an idiot and I was making fun of them not him.

L 10/11/2011 - 15:22:56: "liamshaw247<43><STEAM_0:1:34002614><Team>" say "no prop climbing.."
L 10/11/2011 - 15:23:07: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "thats not a rule shut the fuck up"

Shitty players make up rules like "no prop climbing" in an attempt to scare people who are attacking them. He was talking to someone else who probably would've believed him otherwise. It's disgusting and I'd like to see you defend his actions.

L 10/11/2011 - 17:12:39: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "SO UPSET"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:12:41: "devonjones<80><STEAM_0:1:19625363><Team>" say "mad"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:12:45: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "WHY CANT I HAVE AN AMAZINGLY NEGATIVE KD"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:12:51: "Shawn<89><STEAM_0:0:15261697><Team>" say "If i was "mad" I'd just leae"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:12:55: "Shawn<89><STEAM_0:0:15261697><Team>" say "Leave"

I was making fun of a team who talks shit to mine constantly for doing bad. I believe you were on it!
One of the members responded with that line which made no sense, so I was sarcastic about it.
Again, this isn't really bragging.

This just supports what I've said all along about not being an asshole unless provoked.
I don't feel like I need to continue on with this, you've dug your own grave Jman...

Cute red text though!

[Jman]

This just supports what I've said all along about not being an asshole unless provoked.
I don't feel like I need to continue on with this, you've dug your own grave Jman...

Yeah, I don't really see how I dug my own grave at all?

Cute red text though!

Thanks! I'm glad you like it !

[YoBI]

Yeah, I don't really see how I dug my own grave at all?

You say I'm cocky and arrogant, bragging all the time and being a prick to people who don't even talk to me.
What you posted there doesn't support that at all. In fact, it actually corresponds with what I've been saying the whole time.
I'm only an asshole to people who provoke me.

You also claimed I took the quotes of you and Sabb out of context, but the context I omitted didn't change the meaning of the quotes.
The point of those quotes was to show that Sabb was lying about never calling me a faggot.
However, your quotes are taken drastically out of context to misrepresent what I was saying.

Do you understand now?

[Apie2]

Really wtf this is gonig over weapons liek that shit.
Not over a bitchfight...
Just add eachother on steam and fight it there out...

[Deathie]

As for the AK-47, it's fine too.
The high damage is mitigated by greater recoil and spread than weapons like the M4A2.

Spread for M4A2 - 0.005
Spread for AK-47 - 0.005

As for recoil,

AK - SWEP.Primary.Recoil = 0.4
M4 - SWEP.Primary.Recoil = 0.3

So the AK is about 33% less accurate than the M4.

Now lets put this into scale,

SWEP.Primary.Recoil = 1 means the gun would jump one hammer unit out of 32.

If firing two shots in rapid succession,

the M4's second bullet would be 0.9 meters above the initial bullet at a distance of 100 meters,
and the AK's second bullet would be 1.25 meters above the initial bullet at a distance of 100 meters.

So yes, you're right. The AK does have a higher recoil.
It's not significant enough to make any major difference though.

After looking through all the weapons, it's starting to show that all of them are near carbon copies of each other.
Even the XM1024 is exactly the same as the pump shotgun, it just has a faster fire rate.

[Prox]

YoBI...
From everything you type, you sound like you know that whatever you is the best situation.

>A random player was threatening to ban me for raiding his base.
It deserves nothing less than this response.
No it does not. Being offensive because he says something to you is not an excuse to be offensive to him. It's against the rules in here. You can just ignore him or reply with the good old "umad" or such thing.

>It isn't about showing off, just insulting an idiot for running his mouth.
Actually, that's what an idiot would do. Really, that was not necessary.

>Shitty players make up rules like "no prop climbing" in an attempt to scare people who are attacking them. He was talking to someone else who probably would've believed him otherwise. It's disgusting and I'd like to see you defend his actions.
That is not a reason to offend them, also have you ever thought that if those "shitty" players would have just as much game play experience and knowledge about the game mode as you do, they would be good?
I wouldn't defend his actions but I wouldn't tell him to shut the fuck up and neither any mature player would.(I'm not saying that you're immature for sure but I have that impression.)


Now the reason why there's so much heat between you and Jman,Sabb is because you started this whole thing with your posts like:

Please don't decide to change things just because a few bad players want the guns that kill them to take 8 shots to kill.

Oh and please don't project your hatred of me for constantly owning you into unrelated topics.

...and so on...
Seriously, people were discussing about modifying some guns and you just jumped on the conclusion that I have quoted above.
After all, it was a discussion, it doesn't mean that we are going to edit guns.

Also, you either wanted to insult Sabb or you were really running out of arguments and then when he responded ,for me, it seemed that you tried your best to make him and eventually Jman look bad which seemed to be a some kind of personal need for you. It seems that you deliberately wanted to start a flame war.
You started this, don't try to blame shit on them.

>As for the Deagle, while strafing with an automatic weapon I find 9 times out of 10 I can take them out.
For you, maybe, but have you thought about the others because not everyone is that good at this game mode, like you.

That being said, perhaps deagle and ak should be nerfed, but I don't mind playing the game as it is now.

[Rocket50]

Yobi, I'm going to be honest with you. A couple of your points were completely valid. But. The rest? They were flimsy as fuck and based on many assumptions and sentances taken out of context. But this is not the reason why a good chunk of the community at the moment dislikes you. No, it's not because you're new, or you disagree. It's because you present them with an arrogant "I KNOW EVERYTHING" demeanor, not forgetting the cock-sure attitude that you cannot deny you have.

Do you understand now?

Oh and please don't project your hatred of me for constantly owning you into unrelated topics.

How's high school English treating you?

Mmm. Arrogance

[YoBI]

YoBI...
From everything you type, you sound like you know that whatever you is the best situation.

>A random player was threatening to ban me for raiding his base.
It deserves nothing less than this response.
No it does not. Being offensive because he says something to you is not an excuse to be offensive to him. It's against the rules in here. You can just ignore him or reply with the good old "umad" or such thing.

>It isn't about showing off, just insulting an idiot for running his mouth.
Actually, that's what an idiot would do. Really, that was not necessary.

>Shitty players make up rules like "no prop climbing" in an attempt to scare people who are attacking them. He was talking to someone else who probably would've believed him otherwise. It's disgusting and I'd like to see you defend his actions.
That is not a reason to offend them, also have you ever thought that if those "shitty" players would have just as much game play experience and knowledge about the game mode as you do, they would be good?
I wouldn't defend his actions but I wouldn't tell him to shut the fuck up and neither any mature player would.(I'm not saying that you're immature for sure but I have that impression.)


Now the reason why there's so much heat between you and Jman,Sabb is because you started this whole thing with your posts like:
...and so on...
Seriously, people were discussing about modifying some guns and you just jumped on the conclusion that I have quoted above.
After all, it was a discussion, it doesn't mean that we are going to edit guns.

Also, you either wanted to insult Sabb or you were really running out of arguments and then when he responded ,for me, it seemed that you tried your best to make him and eventually Jman look bad which seemed to be a some kind of personal need for you. It seems that you deliberately wanted to start a flame war.
You started this, don't try to blame shit on them.

>As for the Deagle, while strafing with an automatic weapon I find 9 times out of 10 I can take them out.
For you, maybe, but have you thought about the others because not everyone is that good at this game mode, like you.

That being said, perhaps deagle and ak should be nerfed, but I don't mind playing the game as it is now.

Well you're a little more rational than some of the other people here, but a few things.

Those quotes Jman posted were all from Riot where I am a moderator, I wasn't sure if you knew that.
And I don't think that reply with an unoriginal meme is really sufficient for a player impersonating an admin to one of the staff. This was a very dumb kid, who barely spoke English so there was no chance to be witty either.

Regardless of whether you approve of my responses. I was completely misrepresented by Jman who was either too lazy to look at the context, or simply trying to make me look bad.

As for the Sabb thing, I wasn't running out of arguments he simply didn't bring one forward.
On top of that he was unnecessarily derisive and then proceeded to tell everyone nobody agreed with me, when there are at least a few who do.
This was based more on who I am than what I posted, which is why I responded the way I did.

And to the ACTUAL DISCUSSION OF BALANCE:
I'm talking about against an equally skilled player such as devonjones, Vulva Vore, or RoaringCow.
I think it is important to balance the game more around seasoned players than newer ones, since they will improve with time and having a high skill ceiling is important for fps.
Stronghold is already pretty accessible due to how quickly players die, even a newbie can land a lot of kills while learning the ropes.

Yobi, I'm going to be honest with you. A couple of your points were completely valid. But. The rest? They were flimsy as fuck and based on many assumptions and sentances taken out of context. But this is not the reason why a good chunk of the community at the moment dislikes you. No, it's not because you're new, or you disagree. It's because you present them with an arrogant "I KNOW EVERYTHING" demeanor, not forgetting the cock-sure attitude that you cannot deny you have.

Mmm. Arrogance

I don't mind people disliking me, but this whole lying about me thing is no good,
You can't deny that Sabb and Jman both have.

Arrogance?
The first quote was my frustration with him for not understanding, the second was actually Sabb projecting his hatred of me which stemmed from constantly owning him, but I guess that isn't the whole story, the third was just in response to your misinterpretation of ad hominem fallacy and the patronizing tone you used.

This is getting pretty out of hand, I really don't care if you guys hate me.
Just stop lying and we can continue talking about balance.

[Deathie]

-snip-

/me, sitting in the corner, raises his hand.