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Support (Read Only) => Suggestions => Topic started by: Deathie on October 17, 2011, 12:30:41 AM
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I don't think I'm the only one tired of the Call of duty bullshit.
75 Damage from an AK is too powerful.
26 Damage from an MP5 is too powerful.
One-shot deagles are just annoying.
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Yeah I played for a full night and I noticed this. I wouldn't say 50%, but something like 25%-50%. Somewhere in that range.
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Yeah I played for a full night and I noticed this. I wouldn't say 50%, but something like 25%-50%. Somewhere in that range.
Even at 50% reduction, AK's are still a three-shot kill.
50% reduction, you only need to fire eight rounds from the MP5 to take someone out, which isn't that hard if you're not trying to snipe people from across the map with it.
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Even at 50% reduction, AK's are still a three-shot kill.
50% reduction, you only need to fire eight rounds from the MP5 to take someone out, which isn't that hard if you're not trying to snipe people from across the map with it.
I think 35% should be enough
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I think 35% should be enough
You do know that this won't affect much of anything, right?
AK's will still be a two-shot kill.
MP5's would only take one extra bullet to kill someone.
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Well,
Reducing the AK47's damage to 10-15 is a good idea I think. Beacuse it takes some shots to kill somebody.
For the MP5 5-7 damage is enough (considering the fast fire rate)
For the auto-sniper uhm... it's way too powerful.
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The weapons are fine honestly. Only ones I would consider changing atm would be deagle, possible auto sniper. Auto fires too fast with too much damage way too accurately, but deagle is the bigger problem. With it's rate of fire and accuracy, it shouldn't be a one shot kill for certain. Should probably do 50 - 75 dmg. Preferrably about 60.
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Nope, in real life deagles are also 1 hit kill same as the other weapons.
This makes the game realistic. :)
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Nope, in real life deagles are also 1 hit kill same as the other weapons.
This makes the game realistic. :)
>mfw
The game isn't based off a realism... and either way, if I shoot my toe with a deagle, I most likely won't die.
But anyways, the game is supposed to be high action shit, where you aren't going to get anywhere unless you've got good reflexes. It's all about being fast. That's the big purpose of the game. That doesn't meant that some weapons are still overpowered more so than they should be, however.
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The weapons are MEANT to be over-powered because this is a twitch shooter gamemode.
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Perhaps a purchasable body armor option?
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Perhaps a purchasable body armor option?
This!
Also would be nice if you could resell your weapons.
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Perhaps a purchasable body armor option?
Not want. Good as is.
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I think the body armor would be a good idea
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We need body armor.
Deagle need less acularity.
Ak47 needs like 8 bullets kill.
Mp5 needs less acularity.
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I think everything is fine the way it is, the creator most likely intended it to be fast paced and reflex based. If anything should be changed, I guess the deagle could be a little less accurate but everything else seems fine imo.
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We need body armor.
Deagle need less acularity.
Ak47 needs like 8 bullets kill.
Mp5 needs less acularity.
No. NO.
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We need body armor.
Deagle need less acularity.
Ak47 needs like 8 bullets kill.
Mp5 needs less acularity.
8?
man 5 shots of any decent weapon in real life are deadly... a weapon with a good caliber like ak 47 should do a 2-3 shots kill.
Maybe add more recoil to ak47... just my opinion.
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We need body armor.
We have regen health. It's fine.
Deagle need less acularity. accuracy
Ak47 needs like 8 3 bullets kill.
Mp5 needs less acularity. accuracy
This.
Deagles are too accurate.
Ak47 too much power for great ironsights, accuracy, and rate of fire.
MP5's are ok because as a starting weapon, you want new players to actually have a chance at killing those who have thousand dollar guns
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Really, all weapons are fine... AK is perfect as is, it's not OP at all...
Only weapons that need to be tweaked is deagle, awp, and auto sniper. Auto does too much damage too quickly, awp... self explanatory... Awp should do 90 dmg. Deagle I think should do as much as half less.
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For being the most expensive gun of the game i belive awp is good being 1 shot kill.
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Deagle is fine the way it is.
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For being the most expensive gun of the game i belive awp is good being 1 shot kill.
Lol, it's 3k. I think.
That isn't much.
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Lol, it's 3k. I think.
That isn't much.
For the average person it is.
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For the average person it is.
I'm really not particulary good, and I can get that in a day or two.
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Really, all weapons are fine... AK is perfect as is, it's not OP at all...
Only weapons that need to be tweaked is deagle, awp, and auto sniper. Auto does too much damage too quickly, awp... self explanatory... Awp should do 90 dmg. Deagle I think should do as much as half less.
AWP is fine. Auto snipers are fine.
Deagle, MAYBE ak. Because, compare the AK to the other assult rifles; the iron sights on the on the others suck balls as they block a huge chunk of your vision coupled with quite a bit of inaccuracy while the AK has minimal view block with comparably low recoil.
Inb4rocketusesgayautosniperbias
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Deagle should have reduced aim and maybe 80-90 health damage in my opinion
AT LEAST reduce its fire rate.
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>mfw
The game isn't based off a realism... and either way, if I shoot my toe with a deagle, I most likely won't die.
But anyways, the game is supposed to be high action shit, where you aren't going to get anywhere unless you've got good reflexes. It's all about being fast. That's the big purpose of the game. That doesn't meant that some weapons are still overpowered more so than they should be, however.
omg wut r u talking about mordern warefare 2 saids that if i nife some1 in the foot he will die!!11
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AK still needs nerfing.
People should not be able to snipe across the map with it.
Nids more recoil.
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AK still needs nerfing.
People should not be able to snipe across the map with it.
Nids more recoil.
this.
also i think that the deagle being 1 shot is... can't really explain what i feel but if you change the 1 shot kill for 2 shots the deagle would lose his magic.
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Deagle got nearly same presision as the snipers.
Ak too...
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Honestly, every uses the AK, it's a cheap weapon that REALLY isn't that good as it is... it's actually only a little better than MP5 with 2 shots instead of 3 to kill, and slightly worse accuracy and bulkier iron sight. If AK were to be changed in any way, a lot of the game mode basically be ruined... it would only turn into a shitty awp battle... no fun, not the purpose of the game.
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it's actually only a little better than MP5 with 2 shots instead of 3 to kill, and slightly worse accuracy and bulkier iron sight.
MP5 takes four shots.
AK has a better iron sight zoom, and like all the weapons, is 100% accurate while using the iron sight.
So no, it's not only a little better than the MP5. It's essentially an auto sniper without a scope, and even then, it has like a 3x zoom by default on it ._.
You're complaining about the game turning into an awp battle, while already the majority of it is people sniping from across the map with sub-machine guns.
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MP5 takes four shots.
AK has a better iron sight zoom, and like all the weapons, is 100% accurate while using the iron sight.
So no, it's not only a little better than the MP5. It's essentially an auto sniper without a scope, and even then, it has like a 3x zoom by default on it ._.
You're complaining about the game turning into an awp battle, while already the majority of it is people sniping from across the map with sub-machine guns.
its fine how it is
people will always whore their whore weapons, its just what people do.
every game has that problem
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MP5 takes four shots.
AK has a better iron sight zoom, and like all the weapons, is 100% accurate while using the iron sight.
So no, it's not only a little better than the MP5. It's essentially an auto sniper without a scope, and even then, it has like a 3x zoom by default on it ._.
You're complaining about the game turning into an awp battle, while already the majority of it is people sniping from across the map with sub-machine guns.
It's really not as OP as you're saying it is... I don't see how it's iron sights are good actually, I find them somewhat difficult, and MUCH prefer the MP5 sights. And I'm 9001% certain it takes 3 shots to anything but head and possibly foot.
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I have M4A2 and I don't see a big difference between the AK :idk:
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It's really not as OP as you're saying it is... I don't see how it's iron sights are good actually, I find them somewhat difficult, and MUCH prefer the MP5 sights. And I'm 9001% certain it takes 3 shots to anything but head and possibly foot.
MP5's do 26 damage.
And I guess the iron sight thing is just a matter of opinion I guess.
I just don't think people should be able to snipe with a weapon that's supposed to be inaccurate.
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MP5's do 26 damage.
And I guess the iron sight thing is just a matter of opinion I guess.
I just don't think people should be able to snipe with a weapon that's supposed to be inaccurate.
well unless you want to rewrite the code it'll not be any different.
I COMPLETELY agree with you buy the way...a 9mm gun with an 8" barrel should not reliably shoot beyond 200m
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The guns really are fine. RoaringCow spent months tweaking them to be both realistic and balanced.
Sure, the deagle is a 1 hit kill, but it only has 7 rounds in a mag and the firing animation blocks your vision.
You should be able to take out any deagle user of equal skill with an automatic weapon.
As for the AK-47, it's fine too.
The high damage is mitigated by greater recoil and spread than weapons like the M4A2.
If you want to do anything to it, raise the price. It took me 30 minutes to buy a permanent AK on your server.
Stronghold was designed to be a fast paced, reflex based fps with realistic weapons, and it succeeds.
Please don't decide to change things just because a few bad players want the guns that kill them to take 8 shots to kill.
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As for the AK-47, it's fine too.
The high damage is mitigated by greater recoil and spread than weapons like the M4A2.
Again,
Sniping across the map
with an AK 47
is not realistic
at all.
And the AK has almost on recoil at all.
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Well the recoil is only against you if you're like spamming it randomly but if you're firing across the map and since it only takes about 1-2 shots, the recoil won't do anything.
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Again,
Sniping across the map
with an AK 47
is not realistic
at all.
And the AK has almost on recoil at all.
It's a game. It's supposed to be fun, Not realistic.
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Again,
Sniping across the map
with an AK 47
is not realistic
at all.
And the AK has almost on recoil at all.
The AK-47's effective range is MUCH larger than any of the Stronghold maps...
It's accurate within 2-4 inches at 100 meters.
And it does have a fair amount of recoil, try using the other assault rifles.
If you made all of the assault rifles useless at range, sniping would become incredibly overpowered.
Snipers have a huge advantage over assault rifles as it is, I don't see what you're complaining about.
Well the recoil is only against you if you're like spamming it randomly but if you're firing across the map and since it only takes about 1-2 shots, the recoil won't do anything.
Well you could say th more accurate. By the way, a headshot with any primary is a 1 hit kill.
When I went on the server it was mostly auto-sniper spam anyway, but I did fine against AK-47s and AWPs alike.
This game rewards skill. The AK-47 isn't even the best assault rifle for evee same for the M4A2 and P90 as as well, only they'rery situation or play style, so don't nerf it just because it's powerful and popular.
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>MFW realistic guns
Also, the M4A2 actually has MORE recoil and MORE of a screen block.
Please don't decide to change things just because a few bad players want the guns that kill them to take 8 shots to kill.
ad hominem fallacy.
BAD YOBI. BAD.
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>MFW realistic guns
Also, the M4A2 actually has MORE recoil and MORE of a screen block.
It has less recoil and less spread...
Honestly, you shouldn't even begin to talk about balance if you can't tell.
ad hominem fallacy.
BAD YOBI. BAD.
You can't take one sentence out of context call it ad hominem.
I logically explained why the guns were fine.
That last line was clearly hyperbolic and independent of the argument.
How's high school English treating you?
I know that not everyone wants the AK-47 to take 8 hits, but even your suggestion of making the AK-47 a 3 hit kill would make the AK-47 worse than the P90 and M4A2 in every respect.
These are things you have to consider before you start talking about balance.
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YoBi, you don't even play RND, you only made a forum account because RND got SH, well, this isn't your buddy's server, if you don't like that things may be changed to this game mode for our server, leave. If we feel like it, the game mode may be tweaked here and there if it's what the majority wants.
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YoBi, you don't even play RND, you only made a forum account because RND got SH, well, this isn't your buddy's server, if you don't like that things may be changed to this game mode for our server, leave. If we feel like it, the game mode may be tweaked here and there if it's what the majority wants.
Not only this, but the coding was made available to the public. Which means that anyone in the world can now take it and do whatever they wish with it.
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Am I the only one that agrees with Yobi ._.?
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Am I the only one that agrees with Yobi ._.?
Yes.
You're saying nothing should be changed?
That awp, deagle, auto are fair?
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Yes.
You're saying nothing should be changed?
That awp, deagle, auto are fair?
It all depends on different situations from what I've seen. Each gun has its advantage and disadvantage depending on whats going on. Someone trying to hold off a group of raiders with an AWP while the raiders all have automatics would be pretty difficult if you ask me, or even one raider with an auto. Although you probably have played more than me but this is just from my experience.
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Am I the only one that agrees with Yobi ._.?
I also agree the guns are fine.
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YoBi, you don't even play RND, you only made a forum account because RND got SH, well, this isn't your buddy's server, if you don't like that things may be changed to this game mode for our server, leave. If we feel like it, the game mode may be tweaked here and there if it's what the majority wants.
So you want to curb public debate because I'm not on the RND server much?
There are others who agree with me that you seem to want to pretend don't exist.
A majority's consensus isn't necessarily right, plenty of the people posting in this thread are very narrowly focused on the one or two guns they hate instead of the bigger picture of game balance.
This is why changes to the game should be carefully considered and tested before implementation to ensure balance.
And you would want to shut up anyone who disagrees instead of having a discussion?
I want the Stronghold to grow as a community, and that means not arbitrarily labeling players as "Riot" or "RDN" and then telling them to go away.
Oh and please don't project your hatred of me for constantly owning you into unrelated topics.
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So you want to curb public debate because I'm not on the RND server much?
There are others who agree with me that you seem to want to pretend don't exist.
A majority's consensus isn't necessarily right, plenty of the people posting in this thread are very narrowly focused on the one or two guns they hate instead of the bigger picture of game balance.
This is why changes to the game should be carefully considered and tested before implementation to ensure balance.
And you would want to shut up anyone who disagrees instead of having a discussion?
I want the Stronghold to grow as a community, and that means not arbitrarily labeling players as "Riot" or "RDN" and then telling them to go away.
Oh and please don't project your hatred of me for constantly owning you into unrelated topics.
>last line
Yea, because that's completely why I dislike you. I dislike you due to your arrogant douchey attitude, you belittle every single person you see that isn't one of your buttbuddies. No respect for that. And no, I'm not just trying to shut anyone up who has an opposite opinion to me, I like having a discussion, just not with you. Also, RND is geared around just allowing everyone to have fun, so often, the majority of votes gets what they suggest, assuming that it's something completely fair and realistic. (I don't literally mean realistic as in guns being realistic or not, I mean that as in the suggestion being something considerable, not something like "make awp shoot like auto with same damage, and have it as default weapon kthnx".)
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So you want to curb public debate because I'm not on the RND server much?
There are others who agree with me that you seem to want to pretend don't exist.
A majority's consensus isn't necessarily right, plenty of the people posting in this thread are very narrowly focused on the one or two guns they hate instead of the bigger picture of game balance.
This is why changes to the game should be carefully considered and tested before implementation to ensure balance.
And you would want to shut up anyone who disagrees instead of having a discussion?
I want the Stronghold to grow as a community, and that means not arbitrarily labeling players as "Riot" or "RDN" and then telling them to go away.
Oh and please don't project your hatred of me for constantly owning you into unrelated topics.
It's odd how you think we hate you just because you make a counter-point to the majority.
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Shutting anyone up who disagrees? Where the fuck did you get that from? This is an open discussion, no one is attacking one another at the personal level and all the arguements are centered around gun balance. And the fact that apparently the whole community doesnt know better than just you just proves what sabb said, you're douchey and arrogant.
As for stronghold to grow as a community? Oh please. People will always consider RND SH as RND SH an Riot SH as Riot SHwhether the config files are carbon copies of each other or not.
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I know other persons stated before, but I think the damage is fine, just the accuracy that needs tweaking. As to Yobi, no need to flip out just because we provide one counter argument.
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>last line
Yea, because that's completely why I dislike you. I dislike you due to your arrogant douchey attitude, you belittle every single person you see that isn't one of your buttbuddies. No respect for that. And no, I'm not just trying to shut anyone up who has an opposite opinion to me, I like having a discussion, just not with you. Also, RND is geared around just allowing everyone to have fun, so often, the majority of votes gets what they suggest, assuming that it's something completely fair and realistic. (I don't literally mean realistic as in guns being realistic or not, I mean that as in the suggestion being something considerable, not something like "make awp shoot like auto with same damage, and have it as default weapon kthnx".)
When people whine and bitch as I raid them, like you have several times, I mock them. I don't see anything wrong with this.
I don't "belittle every single person I see that isn't one of my buttbuddies," but I guess a lot of people do rage when their base is raided.
Mostly this just entails people telling me to go away and my response of "no," but people like you decide to call me a faggot, pussy etc. for destroying your base and killing you.
Of course that is irrelevant since how I deal with babies has nothing to do with balancing weapons, try to make the distinction.
What the majority wants may change on a whim, and shortsightedness will cause the game to end up being less fun.
That is why discussing these things is important, and why people who don't even know how many shots the MP-5 takes to kill someone shouldn't be making the final decisions.
It's odd how you think we hate you just because you make a counter-point to the majority.
I don't.
Shutting anyone up who disagrees? Where the fuck did you get that from? This is an open discussion, no one is attacking one another at the personal level and all the arguements are centered around gun balance. And the fact that apparently the whole community doesnt know better than you just proves what sabb said, you're douchey and arrogant.
Well, I was told to leave because I disagreed.
When SMasters asked if he was the only one who agreed with me he was definitively told yes 8 minutes later, despite the fact that he wasn't.
And again, you said the whole community disagrees with me.
People who don't even know the recoil or damage of the most commonly used guns shouldn't debate balance based on pure speculation.
If anything it's arrogant for you to assume that you know better than me, someone who tested all of the weapons for months when you don't know shit about them.
I'm not saying you should all agree with me or that if you disagree with me you're wrong, but at least inform yourselves before deciding to change the game.
As for stronghold to grow as a community? Oh please. People will always consider RND SH as RND SH an Riot SH as Riot SHwhether the config files are carbon copies of each other or not.
I find that baseless considering how many people I've seen who play on both servers and just call it "Stronghold."
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When people whine and bitch as I raid them, like you have several times, I mock them. I don't see anything wrong with this.
I don't "belittle every single person I see that isn't one of my buttbuddies," but I guess a lot of people do rage when their base is raided.
Mostly this just entails people telling me to go away and my response of "no," but people like you decide to call me a faggot, pussy etc. for destroying your base and killing you.
Of course that is irrelevant since how I deal with babies has nothing to do with balancing weapons, try to make the distinction.
What the majority wants may change on a whim, and shortsightedness will cause the game to end up being less fun.
That is why discussing these things is important, and why people who don't even know how many shots the MP-5 takes to kill someone shouldn't be making the final decisions.
I don't.
Well, I was told to leave because I disagreed.
When SMasters asked if he was the only one who agreed with me he was definitively told yes 8 minutes later, despite the fact that he wasn't.
And again, you said the whole community disagrees with me.
People who don't even know the recoil or damage of the most commonly used guns shouldn't debate balance based on pure speculation.
If anything it's arrogant for you to assume that you know better than me, someone who tested all of the weapons for months when you don't know shit about them.
I'm not saying you should all agree with me or that if you disagree with me you're wrong, but at least inform yourselves before deciding to change the game.
I find that baseless considering how many people I've seen who play on both servers and just call it "Stronghold."
@First paragraph. Derp. First, I never call you "faggot, pussy", etc, but I've had arguments or debates with you plenty, which ever way you'd like to look at it. So don't make bullshit up, trying to make my sound juvenile... and people who don't even confront you at all, or speak of you in any way, you still belittle them, never forget to mention how amazing you are at everything, how everyone but you is stupid and that you're better, more educated than all, etc. Don't bullshit yourself.
People who don't even know the recoil or damage of the most commonly used guns shouldn't debate balance based on pure speculation.
If anything it's arrogant for you to assume that you know better than me, someone who tested all of the weapons for months when you don't know shit about them.
I'm not saying you should all agree with me or that if you disagree with me you're wrong, but at least inform yourselves before deciding to change the game.
Thank you for informing us all, it has truly enlightened me... So who wants the weapons tweaked?
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@First paragraph. Derp. First, I never call you "faggot, pussy", etc, but I've had arguments or debates with you plenty, which ever way you'd like to look at it. So don't make bullshit up, trying to make my sound juvenile... and people who don't even confront you at all, or speak of you in any way, you still belittle them, never forget to mention how amazing you are at everything, how everyone but you is stupid and that you're better, more educated than all, etc. Don't bullshit yourself.
You may not have called me a faggot or a pussy, those were just very common examples, but you did rage at me for raiding you and your little team.
I don't even address people who haven't confronted me or brag unless someone says "You're shit," and even then I don't constantly proclaim how amazing I am.
How ironic that when calling me out for supposedly making up bullshit you blatantly lie about me...
Thank you for informing us all, it has truly enlightened me... So who wants the weapons tweaked?
I was telling you to inform yourselves that isn't my job, but you leap at the chance to be unnecessarily derisive instead of thinking, huh?
If you want to get back on topic, don't fill your post with insults in an attempt to get in the last word first.
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I believe the deagle should be nerfed.
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Well, I was told to leave because I disagreed.
Taken totally out of context.
"if you don't like that things may be changed to this game mode for our server, leave. "
We never said leave for disagreeing, you just took it that way. What we said was if you don't like the things that we change, then by all means, there's the door.
When SMasters asked if he was the only one who agreed with me he was definitively told yes 8 minutes later, despite the fact that he wasn't.
Implying that has any overall importance on the discussion about weapon stats
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You may not have called me a faggot or a pussy, those were just very common examples, but you did rage at me for raiding you and your little team.
I don't even address people who haven't confronted me or brag unless someone says "You're shit," and even then I don't constantly proclaim how amazing I am.
How ironic that when calling me out for supposedly making up bullshit you blatantly lie about me...
I was telling you to inform yourselves that isn't my job, but you leap at the chance to be unnecessarily derisive instead of thinking, huh?
If you want to get back on topic, don't fill your post with insults in an attempt to get in the last word first.
>making up bullshit
No. Just no. I've never raged to you for beating me in a game. You're annoying as shit none the less, but I've never raged at you. And for not talking shit to people who've never talked to you, I've seen in many times in game that you do just try to piss everyone off. You do it a lot more often once they're actually pissed, but you start, and provoke it. I know you're going to deny the "starting" part, as if that really even matters either way, but the provoking part I simply don't see how you could deny that. Which still, supports what I've previously said.
And for the last few sentences, yes YoBi that's exactly what I'm doing, and I've never for a second though in any situation as such. Yes.
I also see that this is fine a place as any to discuss what we've been discussing, considering this is the only thread you have and most likely will post in, and it is semi-relevant anyhow. My posts also aren't filled with insults, only accusations somewhat, which I find quite relevant to the discussion. It's not to "get in the last word first". Simply, you're trying to belittle me again, as usual, ironically by telling me not to use insults int he way you did...
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>making up bullshit
No. Just no. I've never raged to you for beating me in a game. You're annoying as shit none the less, but I've never raged at you. And for not talking shit to people who've never talked to you, I've seen in many times in game that you do just try to piss everyone off. You do it a lot more often once they're actually pissed, but you start, and provoke it. I know you're going to deny the "starting" part, as if that really even matters either way, but the provoking part I simply don't see how you could deny that. Which still, supports what I've previously said.
And for the last few sentences, yes YoBi that's exactly what I'm doing, and I've never for a second though in any situation as such. Yes.
I also see that this is fine a place as any to discuss what we've been discussing, considering this is the only thread you have and most likely will post in, and it is semi-relevant anyhow. My posts also aren't filled with insults, only accusations somewhat, which I find quite relevant to the discussion. It's not to "get in the last word first". Simply, you're trying to belittle me again, as usual, ironically by telling me not to use insults int he way you did...
Please quit it, really both of you, such a little argument has been inflamed.
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Well from what I've seen you act like an arrogant prick who fucks with anyone who dares challenge you or even try to play the game normally and have fun. You constantly make dumb ass remarks ranging from "BITCHES YOU SUCK I HAVE AN 80 KILL STREAK LEARN TO PLAY THE GAME." to "YOU MAD?" and from what I've seen you say these things with no provocation whatsoever, but you simply seem to have the need to prove your dominance in an online video game (Congrats, you can move and click a mouse!).
Anyway, back on topic:
Most importantly, the fucking OP desert eagle. One hit to kill - any distance - even in the foot.
I do believe the pump shotgun shouldn't be able to 1 hit you from across the map, too.
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Most importantly, the fucking OP desert eagle. One hit to kill - any distance - even in the foot.
I do believe the pump shotgun shouldn't be able to 1 hit you from across the map, too.
This. The deagle is WAYYYY too OP, and how people constantly only use it gives me headaches - normally making the game harder to compete in.
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This. The deagle is WAYYYY too OP, and how people constantly only use it gives me headaches - normally making the game harder to compete in.
Exactly. Certain people, Sora50 for example, don't even bother to use primary weapons and just run around and kill people in one hit with the deagle when they spawn. It's complete bullshit in my opinion.
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Exactly. Certain people, Sora50 for example, don't even bother to use primary weapons and just run around and kill people in one hit with the deagle when they spawn. It's complete bullshit in my opinion.
What disturbs be is the fucknig accuracy and rate of fire. No way in real life you can shoot 5 shots in like 3 seconds with a deagle.
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What disturbs be is the fucknig accuracy and rate of fire. No way in real life you can shoot 5 shots in like 3 seconds with a deagle.
Better question, Does it matter? It's a video game. its supposed to be fun, not specifically realistic. Just thought I'd point that out.
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Better question, Does it matter? It's a video game. its supposed to be fun, not specifically realistic. Just thought I'd point that out.
I know, but as many here has stated, the Deagle is way to OP. People use it as a replacement for primary weapons. That's when you know you have to nerf a weapon.
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Idea:
Make the deagle a 2-shot kill.
Make it have less RoF
And yes, I've seen people from the other servers act completely like asses and say "OH, RIOT SERVARS ARE WAY BATTTER." So I wouldn't be surprised if YoBi was doing the same -_-
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I like the deagle being a 1 shot kill weapon... if this changes i would just feel like i wasted 1k on a not worthy weapon.
for me all the weapons in this gamemode are made to kill fast so it is ok like it is right now for me.
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L 10/09/2011 - 15:15:31: "Sabb<106><STEAM_0:0:32011794><Team>" say_team "yobi is such a faggot"
L 10/09/2011 - 15:14:58: "Sabb<106><STEAM_0:0:32011794><Team>" say "such a faggot"
L 10/09/2011 - 15:15:03: "YoBI<281><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "cry more"
L 10/09/2011 - 15:15:04: "YoBI<281><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "its cute"
L 10/13/2011 - 13:47:59: "Sabb<17><STEAM_0:0:32011794><Team>" say_team "yobi and vulva hre here"
L 10/13/2011 - 13:48:07: "Sabb<17><STEAM_0:0:32011794><Team>" say_team "theyre huge spawn camping faggots"
L 10/11/2011 - 16:05:47: ".:RND`=- Jman<74><STEAM_0:0:26675475><Team>" say "yobi is a faggot though I must say"
L 10/12/2011 - 21:54:07: ".:RND`=- Jman<161><STEAM_0:0:26675475><Team>" say "yobi can I just have $109 :L"
L 10/12/2011 - 21:54:19: ".:RND`=- Jman<161><STEAM_0:0:26675475><Team>" say "I'll pay you back"
L 10/14/2011 - 15:29:14: ".:RND`=- Jman<12><STEAM_0:0:26675475><Team>" say_team "fucking yobi"
L 10/14/2011 - 15:29:16: ".:RND`=- Jman<12><STEAM_0:0:26675475><Team>" say_team "i hate him"
L 10/14/2011 - 15:29:36: ".:RND`=- Jman<12><STEAM_0:0:26675475><Team>" say_team "yobi is a sand niggur"
So as it turns out both Sabb and Jman enjoy calling me a faggot among other things...
Please just let the flaming end with that.
As for the Deagle, while strafing with an automatic weapon I find 9 times out of 10 I can take them out.
It's a powerful weapon, but it has its downsides as I've mentioned before, low mag size and a firing animation that blocks your view.
The TMP is a good equivalent to the Deagle due to its extremely high firing rate, and in many situations I use the TMP over Deagle.
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Idea:
Make the deagle a 2-shot kill.
Make it have less RoF
And yes, I've seen people from the other servers act completely like asses and say "OH, RIOT SERVARS ARE WAY BATTTER." So I wouldn't be surprised if YoBi was doing the same -_-
it really depends on perspective. We're expecting so many F2S servers to pop up that we wont be even heard of.
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L 10/09/2011 - 15:15:31: "Sabb<106><STEAM_0:0:32011794><Team>" say_team "yobi is such a faggot"
L 10/09/2011 - 15:14:58: "Sabb<106><STEAM_0:0:32011794><Team>" say "such a faggot"
L 10/09/2011 - 15:15:03: "YoBI<281><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "cry more"
L 10/09/2011 - 15:15:04: "YoBI<281><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "its cute"
L 10/13/2011 - 13:47:59: "Sabb<17><STEAM_0:0:32011794><Team>" say_team "yobi and vulva hre here"
L 10/13/2011 - 13:48:07: "Sabb<17><STEAM_0:0:32011794><Team>" say_team "theyre huge spawn camping faggots"
L 10/11/2011 - 16:05:47: ".:RND`=- Jman<74><STEAM_0:0:26675475><Team>" say "yobi is a faggot though I must say"
L 10/14/2011 - 15:29:14: ".:RND`=- Jman<12><STEAM_0:0:26675475><Team>" say_team "fucking yobi"
L 10/14/2011 - 15:29:16: ".:RND`=- Jman<12><STEAM_0:0:26675475><Team>" say_team "i hate him"
L 10/14/2011 - 15:29:36: ".:RND`=- Jman<12><STEAM_0:0:26675475><Team>" say_team "yobi is a sand niggur"
So as it turns out both Sabb and Jman enjoy calling me a faggot among other things...
Please just let the flaming end with that.
Don't even try to pull that shit. I like first of all how you only paste bits and pieces of it and what you do paste happens to only attempt to incriminate us. What you don't want anyone to know is that you constantly start shit with anyone and everyone. Yeah, sabb and I kept calling you and vulva vore faggots, but we had damn good reason to be pissed. I know as a fact you were harassing Sabb for no reason every time you killed him just to make your butt buddies Vulva and whatever that other guy's name was laugh. Notice how instead of defending your faggotry game play style you go straight to saying "cry more, it's cute" because you're so comedically gifted.
I think it's pretty dumb how you try to act all innocent, like everyone else is such a terrible person, yet I'm sure most people that have played with you can vouch for the fact you're nothing more than a cocky douchebag who thinks he's cool for being able to point and click things in a video game(Yet again, congrats man!).
Just because you're so special that you know the owner and asked him for the server logs doesn't mean you can't just tamper with it and delete whatever you don't want other people to see. If you are here just to rage about us wanting to modify your butt buddy's game mode that was released publicly or that you want to start shit between our communities I believe it would be best for you to kindly leave and don't let the door hit you on the ass.
We're expecting so many F2S servers to pop up that we wont be even heard of.
Well if you're so worried about that then maybe you guys shouldn't have publicly released it, but you did so it's out and open for distribution and modification. Sucks, but it's your own fault in the long run.
EDIT: Let me just put this here to further prove my point how yobi acts like an asshole unnecessarily...
Please don't decide to change things just because a few bad players want the guns that kill them to take 8 shots to kill.
>Implying people are bad at the game just because they get killed with an AK. Yeah, definitely.
How's high school English treating you?
>Trying to unnecessarily assert how dominant you are over someone. How's being a dick treating you?
Oh and please don't project your hatred of me for constantly owning you into unrelated topics.
>Accusing us of bringing unrelated shit into this
>Then feels the need to state that you "constantly own" us.
Aren't you special?
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So as it turns out both Sabb and Jman enjoy calling me a faggot among other things...
Please just let the flaming end with that.
Don't even try to pull that shit. I like first of all how you only paste bits and pieces of it and what you do paste happens to only attempt to incriminate us. What you don't want anyone to know is that you constantly start shit with anyone and everyone. Yeah, sabb and I kept calling you and vulva vore faggots, but we had damn good reason to be pissed. I know as a fact you were harassing Sabb for no reason every time you killed him just to make your butt buddies Vulva and whatever that other guy's name was laugh. Notice how instead of defending your faggotry game play style you go straight to saying "cry more, it's cute" because you're so comedically gifted.
I think it's pretty dumb how you try to act all innocent, like everyone else is such a terrible person, yet I'm sure most people that have played with you can vouch for the fact you're nothing more than a cocky douchebag who thinks he's cool for being able to point and click things in a video game(Yet again, congrats man!).
Just because you're so special that you know the owner and asked him for the server logs doesn't mean you can't just tamper with it and delete whatever you don't want other people to see. If you are here just to rage about us wanting to modify your butt buddy's game mode that was released publicly or that you want to start shit between our communities I believe it would be best for you to kindly leave and don't let the door hit you on the ass.
I was actually a strong proponent of releasing the gamemode publicly and still am, and I came here to talk about balance.
I've also never told people to come to Riot instead of RND or any other server for that matter.
You and your little community members decided to make this personal, not me.
So don't start raging just because I'm calling you out.
Sabb claimed to have never called me a faggot and got very indignant about me "making shit up."
So regardless of context he is straight up lying to make me look bad, and if we're going to talk about "butt buddies" you sure were quick to cover his ass.
I almost never brag and only talk shit to people who whine, act cocky, or call me a hacker.
You may think you're not one of those people but you clearly are.
Understand the difference between talking shit and being an all around asshole.
You really want the context? I'm afraid it doesn't quite fit with the cute little story you've been trying to sell about me.
And I'm not even going to bother responding to your little edit after making a fit over context just a few lines up...
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Way to give out everybody's IP... both of you guys just stop ._.
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Way to give out everybody's IP... both of you guys just stop ._.
There's no IPs in there, and Steam IDs are publicly available.
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There's no IPs in there, and Steam IDs are publicly available.
Funny, I found an IP of Sabb in there, traced it, and shows where he actually lives.
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Funny, I found an IP of Sabb in there, traced it, and shows where he actually lives.
Same here, going to rape him.
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Oh you're right, oh well. ;)
If Jman or another mod wants to take it down they can, but he's the one whining about context.
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I was actually a strong proponent of releasing the gamemode publicly and still am, and I came here to talk about balance.
I've also never told people to come to Riot instead of RND or any other server for that matter.
You and your little community members decided to make this personal, not me.
So don't start raging just because I'm calling you out.
Wait, you're the one calling me out? That doesn't make a lot of sense.
Sabb claimed to have never called me a faggot and got very indignant about me "making shit up."
So regardless of context he is straight up lying to make me look bad, and if we're going to talk about "butt buddies" you sure were quick to cover his ass.
Yeah, like you aren't just trying to make us look bad. My homosex relationship with Sabb has nothing to do with you feeling glorified about being butt buddies with the game mode creator.
I almost never brag and only talk shit to people who whine, act cocky, or call me a hacker.
You may think you're not one of those people but you clearly are.
Understand the difference between talking shit and being an all around asshole.
You really want the context? I'm afraid it doesn't quite fit with the cute little story you've been trying to sell about me.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5ZLBZKRC (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5ZLBZKRC)
Oh so how about the "cute little story" I'm about to sell everyone from your own logs?
And I'm not even going to bother responding to your little edit after making a fit over context just a few lines up...
Okay have fun with that while I take more out of context just like you did.
L 09/30/2011 - 15:04:55: "YoBI<62><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "tell ya what you stupid little shit"
L 09/30/2011 - 15:04:56: "YoBI<62><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "suck my dick"
L 09/30/2011 - 15:04:59: "YoBI<62><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "and ill think about it"
L 09/30/2011 - 15:05:02: "YoBI<62><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "otherwise stfu"
YES SIR. SORRY SIR.
L 09/30/2011 - 21:11:42: "YoBI<195><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "im the best"
L 09/30/2011 - 21:48:33: "YoBI<195><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "you really are stupid as shit xD"
Ikr!!! xDDDDDDDDD
L 10/01/2011 - 02:23:47: "YoBI<279><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "lets call him names"
Good idea man.
L 10/11/2011 - 15:22:56: "liamshaw247<43><STEAM_0:1:34002614><Team>" say "no prop climbing.."
L 10/11/2011 - 15:23:07: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "thats not a rule shut the fuck up"
Wow calm down buddy.
L 10/11/2011 - 17:12:39: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "SO UPSET"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:12:41: "devonjones<80><STEAM_0:1:19625363><Team>" say "mad"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:12:45: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "WHY CANT I HAVE AN AMAZINGLY NEGATIVE KD"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:12:51: "Shawn<89><STEAM_0:0:15261697><Team>" say "If i was "mad" I'd just leae"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:12:55: "Shawn<89><STEAM_0:0:15261697><Team>" say "Leave"
Sorry that everyone's KDR isn't as utterly spectacular as yours is!
L 10/11/2011 - 17:14:15: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "i guess no one in the history of ever has made fun of someone who was terrible"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:14:18: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "unless they were mad"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:14:20: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "for some reason.."
L 10/11/2011 - 17:14:24: "Sabb<52><STEAM_0:0:32011794><Team>" say "yes"
Herp, with a side of derp.
L 10/11/2011 - 17:15:08: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "but i think actually projecting feelings of being "upset" or "mad""
L 10/11/2011 - 17:15:16: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "is actually a defense mechanism"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:15:22: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "when youre upset for doing terrible"
Ohhhhhh thanks for clearing that up xDDDDD!
L 10/11/2011 - 17:43:06: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "youre making up rules"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:43:10: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "because youre bad"
Yes, because rules totally have to do with skill level, dumb ass.
L 10/11/2011 - 17:44:20: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "im the best person here"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:44:22: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "by far..."
*COUGH* COCKY *COUGH*
L 10/11/2011 - 17:44:55: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "guess what?"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:45:00: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "shitty players like you dont make the rules"
Oh okay you're so great please forgive me.
L 10/11/2011 - 17:45:41: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "youre both terrible"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:45:54: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "i dont know why you hate people who are good though"
No I actually love you.
L 10/11/2011 - 17:47:20: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "theres a reason everyone says "oh shit yobis here""
L 10/11/2011 - 17:47:23: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "i rape everyone"
Really? Wow nice!!11!!1 So pro!!!11
L 10/11/2011 - 17:48:16: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "you realize im friends with the entire stronghold staff right?"
WOW NO WAY MAN?!?!?!
L 10/11/2011 - 17:48:40: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "you can cry all you want"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:48:43: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "because i rape your bases"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:48:48: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "and youre too fucking stupid to remove spawns"
I'm a huge faggot please rape my face base.
L 10/11/2011 - 17:56:15: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "you are stupid as shit"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:58:55: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "if you look at the scoreboard"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:58:58: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "and say im bad"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:59:01: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "you are stupid as fuck"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:59:05: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "and in denial post rape"
cockycockycockycockycocky
L 10/11/2011 - 18:13:15: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "aces you are just terrible..."
L 10/11/2011 - 18:15:59: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "next time undo your spawns"
L 10/11/2011 - 18:16:01: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "you stupid little shit"
L 10/11/2011 - 18:16:04: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "xD"
You sound pretty mad xD
L 10/11/2011 - 18:18:22: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "ive still got 44 more kills than you"
L 10/11/2011 - 18:18:49: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "it really is cute"
L 10/11/2011 - 18:19:03: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "that youre so insecure you have to make excuses for why im doing so well"
Meanwhile everything you ever say against someone somehow is tied to your god-like skill level. Durrrrrrr.
L 10/11/2011 - 22:31:21: "YoBI<229><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "yeah i raped you"
L 10/11/2011 - 22:31:25: "YoBI<229><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "and you failed to do the same to me"
My anus is bleeding sir.
Is the above not enough proof you're nothing more than what I said you were - a cocky douchebag who puts himself above everyone else?
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Is the above not enough proof you're nothing more than what I said you were - a cocky douchebag who puts himself above everyone else?
THEY GROW UP SO FAST.
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Is the above not enough proof you're nothing more than what I said you were - a cocky douchebag who puts himself above everyone else?
Now you're just making a fool out of yourself.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/context (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/context)
I'll do the first few just for kicks.
L 09/30/2011 - 15:04:55: "YoBI<62><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "tell ya what you stupid little shit"
L 09/30/2011 - 15:04:56: "YoBI<62><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "suck my dick"
L 09/30/2011 - 15:04:59: "YoBI<62><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "and ill think about it"
L 09/30/2011 - 15:05:02: "YoBI<62><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "otherwise stfu"
A random player was threatening to ban me for raiding his base.
It deserves nothing less than this response.
L 09/30/2011 - 21:11:42: "YoBI<195><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "im the best"
L 09/30/2011 - 21:48:33: "YoBI<195><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "you really are stupid as shit xD"
Aces_and_eights was calling me bad when I had the best KD and most kills on the server and he was going negative.
I wouldn't consider this bragging, but this is the only type of circumstance in which I say things like that anyway.
It isn't about showing off, just insulting an idiot for running his mouth.
L 10/01/2011 - 02:23:47: "YoBI<279><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "lets call him names"
I was being sarcastic about people freaking out when one guy's scope was bugged. They were treating him like an idiot and I was making fun of them not him.
L 10/11/2011 - 15:22:56: "liamshaw247<43><STEAM_0:1:34002614><Team>" say "no prop climbing.."
L 10/11/2011 - 15:23:07: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "thats not a rule shut the fuck up"
Shitty players make up rules like "no prop climbing" in an attempt to scare people who are attacking them. He was talking to someone else who probably would've believed him otherwise. It's disgusting and I'd like to see you defend his actions.
L 10/11/2011 - 17:12:39: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "SO UPSET"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:12:41: "devonjones<80><STEAM_0:1:19625363><Team>" say "mad"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:12:45: "YoBI<71><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "WHY CANT I HAVE AN AMAZINGLY NEGATIVE KD"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:12:51: "Shawn<89><STEAM_0:0:15261697><Team>" say "If i was "mad" I'd just leae"
L 10/11/2011 - 17:12:55: "Shawn<89><STEAM_0:0:15261697><Team>" say "Leave"
I was making fun of a team who talks shit to mine constantly for doing bad. I believe you were on it!
One of the members responded with that line which made no sense, so I was sarcastic about it.
Again, this isn't really bragging.
This just supports what I've said all along about not being an asshole unless provoked.
I don't feel like I need to continue on with this, you've dug your own grave Jman...
Cute red text though!
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This just supports what I've said all along about not being an asshole unless provoked.
I don't feel like I need to continue on with this, you've dug your own grave Jman...
Yeah, I don't really see how I dug my own grave at all?
Cute red text though!
Thanks! I'm glad you like it :D!
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Yeah, I don't really see how I dug my own grave at all?
You say I'm cocky and arrogant, bragging all the time and being a prick to people who don't even talk to me.
What you posted there doesn't support that at all. In fact, it actually corresponds with what I've been saying the whole time.
I'm only an asshole to people who provoke me.
You also claimed I took the quotes of you and Sabb out of context, but the context I omitted didn't change the meaning of the quotes.
The point of those quotes was to show that Sabb was lying about never calling me a faggot.
However, your quotes are taken drastically out of context to misrepresent what I was saying.
Do you understand now?
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Really wtf this is gonig over weapons liek that shit.
Not over a bitchfight...
Just add eachother on steam and fight it there out...
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As for the AK-47, it's fine too.
The high damage is mitigated by greater recoil and spread than weapons like the M4A2.
Spread for M4A2 - 0.005
Spread for AK-47 - 0.005
As for recoil,
AK - SWEP.Primary.Recoil = 0.4
M4 - SWEP.Primary.Recoil = 0.3
So the AK is about 33% less accurate than the M4.
Now lets put this into scale,
SWEP.Primary.Recoil = 1 means the gun would jump one hammer unit out of 32.
If firing two shots in rapid succession,
the M4's second bullet would be 0.9 meters above the initial bullet at a distance of 100 meters,
and the AK's second bullet would be 1.25 meters above the initial bullet at a distance of 100 meters.
So yes, you're right. The AK does have a higher recoil.
It's not significant enough to make any major difference though.
After looking through all the weapons, it's starting to show that all of them are near carbon copies of each other.
Even the XM1024 is exactly the same as the pump shotgun, it just has a faster fire rate.
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YoBI...
From everything you type, you sound like you know that whatever you is the best situation.
>A random player was threatening to ban me for raiding his base.
It deserves nothing less than this response.
No it does not. Being offensive because he says something to you is not an excuse to be offensive to him. It's against the rules in here. You can just ignore him or reply with the good old "umad" or such thing.
>It isn't about showing off, just insulting an idiot for running his mouth.
Actually, that's what an idiot would do. Really, that was not necessary.
>Shitty players make up rules like "no prop climbing" in an attempt to scare people who are attacking them. He was talking to someone else who probably would've believed him otherwise. It's disgusting and I'd like to see you defend his actions.
That is not a reason to offend them, also have you ever thought that if those "shitty" players would have just as much game play experience and knowledge about the game mode as you do, they would be good?
I wouldn't defend his actions but I wouldn't tell him to shut the fuck up and neither any mature player would.(I'm not saying that you're immature for sure but I have that impression.)
Now the reason why there's so much heat between you and Jman,Sabb is because you started this whole thing with your posts like:
Please don't decide to change things just because a few bad players want the guns that kill them to take 8 shots to kill.
Oh and please don't project your hatred of me for constantly owning you into unrelated topics.
...and so on...
Seriously, people were discussing about modifying some guns and you just jumped on the conclusion that I have quoted above.
After all, it was a discussion, it doesn't mean that we are going to edit guns.
Also, you either wanted to insult Sabb or you were really running out of arguments and then when he responded ,for me, it seemed that you tried your best to make him and eventually Jman look bad which seemed to be a some kind of personal need for you. It seems that you deliberately wanted to start a flame war.
You started this, don't try to blame shit on them.
>As for the Deagle, while strafing with an automatic weapon I find 9 times out of 10 I can take them out.
For you, maybe, but have you thought about the others because not everyone is that good at this game mode, like you.
That being said, perhaps deagle and ak should be nerfed, but I don't mind playing the game as it is now.
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Yobi, I'm going to be honest with you. A couple of your points were completely valid. But. The rest? They were flimsy as fuck and based on many assumptions and sentances taken out of context. But this is not the reason why a good chunk of the community at the moment dislikes you. No, it's not because you're new, or you disagree. It's because you present them with an arrogant "I KNOW EVERYTHING" demeanor, not forgetting the cock-sure attitude that you cannot deny you have.
Do you understand now?
Oh and please don't project your hatred of me for constantly owning you into unrelated topics.
How's high school English treating you?
Mmm. Arrogance
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YoBI...
From everything you type, you sound like you know that whatever you is the best situation.
>A random player was threatening to ban me for raiding his base.
It deserves nothing less than this response.
No it does not. Being offensive because he says something to you is not an excuse to be offensive to him. It's against the rules in here. You can just ignore him or reply with the good old "umad" or such thing.
>It isn't about showing off, just insulting an idiot for running his mouth.
Actually, that's what an idiot would do. Really, that was not necessary.
>Shitty players make up rules like "no prop climbing" in an attempt to scare people who are attacking them. He was talking to someone else who probably would've believed him otherwise. It's disgusting and I'd like to see you defend his actions.
That is not a reason to offend them, also have you ever thought that if those "shitty" players would have just as much game play experience and knowledge about the game mode as you do, they would be good?
I wouldn't defend his actions but I wouldn't tell him to shut the fuck up and neither any mature player would.(I'm not saying that you're immature for sure but I have that impression.)
Now the reason why there's so much heat between you and Jman,Sabb is because you started this whole thing with your posts like:
...and so on...
Seriously, people were discussing about modifying some guns and you just jumped on the conclusion that I have quoted above.
After all, it was a discussion, it doesn't mean that we are going to edit guns.
Also, you either wanted to insult Sabb or you were really running out of arguments and then when he responded ,for me, it seemed that you tried your best to make him and eventually Jman look bad which seemed to be a some kind of personal need for you. It seems that you deliberately wanted to start a flame war.
You started this, don't try to blame shit on them.
>As for the Deagle, while strafing with an automatic weapon I find 9 times out of 10 I can take them out.
For you, maybe, but have you thought about the others because not everyone is that good at this game mode, like you.
That being said, perhaps deagle and ak should be nerfed, but I don't mind playing the game as it is now.
Well you're a little more rational than some of the other people here, but a few things.
Those quotes Jman posted were all from Riot where I am a moderator, I wasn't sure if you knew that.
And I don't think that reply with an unoriginal meme is really sufficient for a player impersonating an admin to one of the staff. This was a very dumb kid, who barely spoke English so there was no chance to be witty either.
Regardless of whether you approve of my responses. I was completely misrepresented by Jman who was either too lazy to look at the context, or simply trying to make me look bad.
As for the Sabb thing, I wasn't running out of arguments he simply didn't bring one forward.
On top of that he was unnecessarily derisive and then proceeded to tell everyone nobody agreed with me, when there are at least a few who do.
This was based more on who I am than what I posted, which is why I responded the way I did.
And to the ACTUAL DISCUSSION OF BALANCE:
I'm talking about against an equally skilled player such as devonjones, Vulva Vore, or RoaringCow.
I think it is important to balance the game more around seasoned players than newer ones, since they will improve with time and having a high skill ceiling is important for fps.
Stronghold is already pretty accessible due to how quickly players die, even a newbie can land a lot of kills while learning the ropes.
Yobi, I'm going to be honest with you. A couple of your points were completely valid. But. The rest? They were flimsy as fuck and based on many assumptions and sentances taken out of context. But this is not the reason why a good chunk of the community at the moment dislikes you. No, it's not because you're new, or you disagree. It's because you present them with an arrogant "I KNOW EVERYTHING" demeanor, not forgetting the cock-sure attitude that you cannot deny you have.
Mmm. Arrogance
I don't mind people disliking me, but this whole lying about me thing is no good,
You can't deny that Sabb and Jman both have.
Arrogance?
The first quote was my frustration with him for not understanding, the second was actually Sabb projecting his hatred of me which stemmed from constantly owning him, but I guess that isn't the whole story, the third was just in response to your misinterpretation of ad hominem fallacy and the patronizing tone you used.
This is getting pretty out of hand, I really don't care if you guys hate me.
Just stop lying and we can continue talking about balance.
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/me, sitting in the corner, raises his hand.
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Just want to say to everyone saying the AK is way OP
The ak is a 2 shot kill and the MP5(default gun) is a 3 shot kill seems pretty balanced to me.
and considering you have to buy the AK -1 to shot to kill seems fair.
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/me, sitting in the corner, raises his hand.
NO. SIT THE FUCK BACK DOWN.
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You should all read this to further understand the relationship between balance and skill ceilings.
http://zandagamedesign.blogspot.com/2011/03/metaphor-for-skill-vs-imbalance.html (http://zandagamedesign.blogspot.com/2011/03/metaphor-for-skill-vs-imbalance.html)
I don't think that an inexperienced player base should be advocating balance changes so soon.
Even if you think the Deagle and AK-47 are the guns that requires the least amount of skill, that doesn't necessarily mean they need to be nerfed.
Discuss!
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You should all read this to further understand the relationship between balance and skill ceilings.
http://zandagamedesign.blogspot.com/2011/03/metaphor-for-skill-vs-imbalance.html (http://zandagamedesign.blogspot.com/2011/03/metaphor-for-skill-vs-imbalance.html)
I don't think that an inexperienced player base should be advocating balance changes so soon.
Even if you think the Deagle and AK-47 are the guns that requires the least amount of skill, that doesn't necessarily mean they need to be nerfed.
Discuss!
Raise the price of AK to 600 (in relation to the M4) and make the recoil 0.8 instead of 0.4, and it should be fine.
As for Deagle, it's just a magnum. The only difference is that the Deagle does about 200 damage in one shot.
Drop it to 90 (30 in code), give it a cone of 0.01.
Also, the more expensive SG550 is actually worse in fire rate and damage to the 600$ cheaper G3.
Give the SG less recoil and a faster fire rate.
Scout is too underpowered. 45-75 damage variable is worse than most of the assault rifles. 81-102 (27-34 in code) seems fair. Headshots are always a kill, and there's a 9.5% chance of a one-shot kill, regardless of location.
Auto Shotty should fire six pellets at 28 damage each, making it more "accurate" in a way, and have a recoil of 6 instead of the m3's 5, giving it more of a kick, while still dealing equal amount of total damage assuming all the pellets hit.
Mp5 cone should be increased to 0.012, making it less accurate than the assault rifles.
Galil recoil should be reduced to 0.5 (from the current 0.6). (compared to the AK's 0.4).
Make UMP cost 900$, while the P90 is 1200$.
Make the AUG and the SG550 a bit more dynamic. Reduce AUG clip size to 20, while reducing recoil to 0.8, and leave SG550 as it is.
Make AWP do a variable damage of 96 to 120, giving it a 83% chance of one-shotting.
Secondaries are fine, but I think the glocks recoil should be equivalent to the USP, it's currently almost twice it's recoil atm.
Now when you read this YoBI, keep in mind I play as one of those annoying people who stay in one building and AWP the shit out of everyone else. I have no personal bias towards these weapons except for the sniper rifles and the TMP. If you still want to criticize me of just being bad at the game, and wanting to make them weaker/powerful, then fine. It just shows how much of an immature twat you are, and that you can't take anyone going against what you say.
These are just crucial errors that didn't appear to have been thoroughly investigated during development.
I'm not trying to go against your opinion, but you need to keep in mind that you were just a small testing group. Now that the gamemode is public, and ESPECIALLY becuase it just WENT public, theres bound to be a lot of balancing issues that weren't seen as a problem.
Look at any other major developer who releases a multiplayer game. Using blizzard for this example, when they first released the Starcraft 2, the first few updates were almost solely tweaking classes, units, all of that for multiplayer play. Getting the opinion of just a couple of people is fine, but if you're releasing something to such a broad audience, you can't just go to them and go "NO ITS FINE THE WAY IT IS", especially when anyone has the ability to modify it.
Yes, I read the readme. Yes, I know that roaringcow/devs worked on balancing the weapons for a long time. That doesn't instantly make it perfect though.
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Look at any other major developer who releases a multiplayer game. Using blizzard for this example, when they first released the Starcraft 2, the first few updates were almost solely tweaking classes, units, all of that for multiplayer play. Getting the opinion of just a couple of people is fine, but if you're releasing something to such a broad audience, you can't just go to them and go "NO ITS FINE THE WAY IT IS", especially when anyone has the ability to modify it.
Well,
Blizzard quickly fixes things because there's people making a living off playing StarCraft II professionally, and for them it's really important to see everything balanced.
And yes, blizzard pretty much exclusively balances their games for the highest level of players.
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So as it turns out both Sabb and Jman enjoy calling me a faggot among other things...
Please just let the flaming end with that.
As for the Deagle, while strafing with an automatic weapon I find 9 times out of 10 I can take them out.
It's a powerful weapon, but it has its downsides as I've mentioned before, low mag size and a firing animation that blocks your view.
The TMP is a good equivalent to the Deagle due to its extremely high firing rate, and in many situations I use the TMP over Deagle.
I tl;dr's beyond this point cause this is just stupid.
Again, I said I have never called you a "pussy", "faggot", etc directly, because I know there's no point to it. Yes, I've discussed in team chat of how annoying you are. Congratulations on your find, which I never denied. The fact that you went to get the logs from Roaring really shows how juvenile and ignorant you are, going through logs reading all the shit we've said just so that you could prove a point on a pretty useless argument.
Anyways, I'm sorry for derailing the thread and blah blah but this is the best place if any to discuss this really. Also, my opinions on the weapons still change. Mainly though, if anything is to be changed, deagle REALLY needs to. Idgaf about realism, it's a game, it's meant for fun, but the weapon REALLY takes away from the game. It is quite cheap having people just running around killing everyone before you even have a chance to look around. It's too powerful, too accurate, too fast of a firing rate, etc. I really think it needs to be changed. As for auto and awp, I still find them quite unfair, but a lot of people use it and don't seem to want to give it up, so I don't see that going anywhere. Whereas, the deagle is quite undeniably cheap. (I know YoBi, a lot of thought was put into the weapons, it was very well tested blah blah you all did a great job you're amazing etc, but that doesn't really make any sort of a difference. Btw, I know it seems like I'm saying that the game mode is horribly thought out or w.e, but I think quite the opposite. I love it. Just think thee could be a few tweaks here and there based off my opinion.)
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Ignore my rage
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I tl;dr's beyond this point cause this is just stupid.
Again, I said I have never called you a "pussy", "faggot", etc directly, because I know there's no point to it. Yes, I've discussed in team chat of how annoying you are. Congratulations on your find, which I never denied. The fact that you went to get the logs from Roaring really shows how juvenile and ignorant you are, going through logs reading all the shit we've said just so that you could prove a point on a pretty useless argument.)
L 10/09/2011 - 15:14:58: "Sabb<106><STEAM_0:0:32011794><Team>" say "such a faggot"
L 10/09/2011 - 15:15:03: "YoBI<281><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "cry more"
L 10/09/2011 - 15:15:04: "YoBI<281><STEAM_0:0:20250964><Team>" say "its cute"
That was directly calling me a faggot outside of team chat, but I guess calling you out makes me juvenile.
I'll be happy to drop this though, if you'll stop taking so many pathetic little shots at me in your posts.
Just let it go.
This was most certainly not the best place to bring up all of this because it's entirely irrelevant.
You could've made a new thread or better yet messaged me personally, which I suggest you do if you still feel the need to continue
Now when you read this YoBI, keep in mind I play as one of those annoying people who stay in one building and AWP the shit out of everyone else. I have no personal bias towards these weapons except for the sniper rifles and the TMP. If you still want to criticize me of just being bad at the game, and wanting to make them weaker/powerful, then fine. It just shows how much of an immature twat you are, and that you can't take anyone going against what you say.
Why do you think I'm still criticizing you for being bad?
But you didn't know how many shots the MP-5 takes to kill someone, the base damage values in the weapons folder aren't the end result. The MP-5 is a 3 shot kill anywhere but the head.
Quit being so dramatic.
And not wanting AK-47s to be able to take people out across the map is biased towards AWPs for what it's worth, but I don't think bias is playing a huge role here.
These are just crucial errors that didn't appear to have been thoroughly investigated during development.
I'm not trying to go against your opinion, but you need to keep in mind that you were just a small testing group. Now that the gamemode is public, and ESPECIALLY becuase it just WENT public, theres bound to be a lot of balancing issues that weren't seen as a problem.
The development of Stronghold coincided very closely with the community, actually. RoaringCow would make make and test changes on his personal server and then implement them to the public one.
The server was very popular and had a wide range of players during the development.
It isn't like suddenly after release issues are going to pop up because more people are playing. Your server is the exact same environment that was being looked at for balance by RoaringCow for weeks.
Look at any other major developer who releases a multiplayer game. Using blizzard for this example, when they first released the Starcraft 2, the first few updates were almost solely tweaking classes, units, all of that for multiplayer play. Getting the opinion of just a couple of people is fine, but if you're releasing something to such a broad audience, you can't just go to them and go "NO ITS FINE THE WAY IT IS", especially when anyone has the ability to modify it.
Actually, Starcraft 2 patches are subject to extensive internal testing, followed by public betas and process of revision before finally being implemented. This is why the patch cycle seems to take so long.
They also cater to the high level players almost exclusively when making balance changes to the game.
And their system works, Starcraft 2 is a pinnacle of competitive RTS balance. They've managed to achieve a level of balance that took an entire expansion and months of patches to achieve in the original game, although it's not quite up to Brood War yet.
I didn't go, "NO ITS FINE THE WAY IT IS." That is my position, but I've been trying to explain my reasoning and address the concerns of other players.
Of course anyone can modify the guns, but that's no reason to object to arguing against their reasons for doing so.
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Ok, I'm done with this shit.
Its our server, the gamemode was made publicly available, we'll do what we want.
Everyone needs to stop arguing about pointless shit, and this thread needs to be locked.
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Ok, I'm done with this shit.
Its our server, the gamemode was made publicly available, we'll do what we want.
Everyone needs to stop arguing about pointless shit, and this thread needs to be locked.
Just when the conversation is shifting back towards balance you want to lock the thread?
No on really agrees on what needs to be done to the weapons, should they just guess?
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How about this, IMO,
- This thread should be locked
- According to snivy's damage counts, I think it's fine as is and needs no change
- This thread caused more problems than solving
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Raise the price of AK to 600 (in relation to the M4) and make the recoil 0.8 instead of 0.4, and it should be fine.
As for Deagle, it's just a magnum. The only difference is that the Deagle does about 200 damage in one shot.
Drop it to 90 (30 in code), give it a cone of 0.01.
Also, the more expensive SG550 is actually worse in fire rate and damage to the 600$ cheaper G3.
Give the SG less recoil and a faster fire rate.
Scout is too underpowered. 45-75 damage variable is worse than most of the assault rifles. 81-102 (27-34 in code) seems fair. Headshots are always a kill, and there's a 9.5% chance of a one-shot kill, regardless of location.
Auto Shotty should fire six pellets at 28 damage each, making it more "accurate" in a way, and have a recoil of 6 instead of the m3's 5, giving it more of a kick, while still dealing equal amount of total damage assuming all the pellets hit.
Mp5 cone should be increased to 0.012, making it less accurate than the assault rifles.
Galil recoil should be reduced to 0.5 (from the current 0.6). (compared to the AK's 0.4).
Make UMP cost 900$, while the P90 is 1200$.
Make the AUG and the SG550 a bit more dynamic. Reduce AUG clip size to 20, while reducing recoil to 0.8, and leave SG550 as it is.
Make AWP do a variable damage of 96 to 120, giving it a 83% chance of one-shotting.
Secondaries are fine, but I think the glocks recoil should be equivalent to the USP, it's currently almost twice it's recoil atm.
I still think these changes should be made.
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Just when the conversation is shifting back towards balance you want to lock the thread?
No on really agrees on what needs to be done to the weapons, should they just guess?
Honestly, none of us even have the power to change this. Suggestions can't even be considered until coolz gets some spare time. He hasn't even played the damn gamemode yet.
So until then, these threads are just shitstorms. I'm tired of shit flying everywhere.
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So until then, these threads are just shitstorms. I'm tired of shit flying everywhere.
If people didn't make unrelevant posts, it wouldn't be like that.
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Honestly, none of us even have the power to change this. Suggestions can't even be considered until coolz gets some spare time. He hasn't even played the damn gamemode yet.
So until then, these threads are just shitstorms. I'm tired of shit flying everywhere.
Well then now is a perfect time to get a consensus on what does or doesn't need to be changed, no?
And hopefully the shitstorm is over, or at least dying down.
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No, its not. Because while we can suggest things, he is going to make up his own opinions about them. Yes, he will listen to our suggestions, but those suggestions were discussed and all I've seen for 5 pages is you sabb and jman spewing things out of your respective anuses at high speeds. I'm tired of it, you know more will happen, just forget it and move on with our stupid lives.
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I think you're being overly pessimistic about this.
Let's what other people think.
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I think you're being overly pessimistic about this.
Let's what other people think.
I think you a
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I think you're being overly pessimistic about this.
Let's what other people think.
I agree with Deacon.
Just stfu and move on.