What Would be a the Best Investment for Building a New Computer?

[Peetah]

Very well Then
(These are percent improvment over the 5770 going off the Minimum FPS)

Stalker: Call of Pripyat: 1920 x 1080

1 GB 460: 16.667%
768 MB 460: 11.7647%

Dirt 2: 1920x1200

1 GB 460: 31.372%
768 MB 460: 25.53%

Crysis: 1920 x 1200

1 GB: 38.45%
768MB: 38.45%

Bad Company 2: 1920 x 1200

1GB: 41.935%
768MB: 33.33%

I understand the 460 is a better card. I also agreed. Dont need to go all out now. :3
As for the cpu.
As what I said. Invest in the mobo and hdd first.
Mobo being the decider on what you will be using.
I also said dont spend too much on the Cpu.

In conclusion,
Get the dual core because it is more practical for todays use and is not too expensive.
Since you have the comparability from the mobo.
Upgrading to a more powerful cpu if needed in the future will be an easy option.

So get the 460, nice mobo, nice hdd, dual core, ddr3 and you got yourself a nice budget upgradeable pc.
Surly you agree.

[Cake Faice]

Giant, not very needed post

Then I guess I've been living under a rock for quite some time and not realizing what has been released by then with the graphics cards. But I couldn't care less if the programs I have been using didn't take full advantage of multi-cores and have a lower performance over dual cores, if it still works and does not taking over 9000 hours to do 1 task, then I dont think you'd have to get that technical about it. Take Garry's Mod for example. People have been saying that Lua does not do very well on mutli-threaded programs. GMod has a multi-core rendering option, and my guess is that it utilizes 2 cores with that option. But I don't notice a degrade in performance or anything. You're right about me mis-assuming about stating everything gets unstable with 4 cores if anything.

I'm not sure what Garry does with the game coding wither it being multi-core or not, I still get sexy smooth performance in the game with the option turned on.

Then please, by all means let Sab get the 460 for the extra $10 while it's in that price-range. If a Phenom X4 wont do the job very well, then I honestly don't know what else can.

But did you really have to type all of those long paragraphs just to say "Dude, the 460 is better than the 5770 just for $10 more", quote only me on it, and -1 those post's I made just because I recommended a Phenom Quad core rather than a Dual Core? I might have a few reasons why on me instead of other people who recommended the same but really? No need to write an essay just to state that.

[Carp]

Then I guess I've been living under a rock for quite some time and not realizing what has been released by then with the graphics cards. But I couldn't care less if the programs I have been using didn't take full advantage of multi-cores and have a lower performance over dual cores, if it still works and does not taking over 9000 hours to do 1 task, then I dont think you'd have to get that technical about it. Take Garry's Mod for example. People have been saying that Lua does not do very well on mutli-threaded programs. GMod has a multi-core rendering option, and my guess is that it utilizes 2 cores with that option. But I don't notice a degrade in performance or anything. You're right about me mis-assuming about stating everything gets unstable with 4 cores if anything.

I'm not sure what Garry does with the game coding wither it being multi-core or not, I still get sexy smooth performance in the game with the option turned on.

Then please, by all means let Sab get the 460 for the extra $10 while it's in that price-range. If a Phenom X4 wont do the job very well, then I honestly don't know what else can.

But did you really have to type all of those long paragraphs just to say "Dude, the 460 is better than the 5770 just for $10 more", quote only me on it, and -1 those post's I made just because I recommended a Phenom Quad core rather than a Dual Core? I might have a few reasons why on me instead of other people who recommended the same but really? No need to write an essay just to state that.

Lmao thats like my rig in a nutshell kindof.

460, dual core intel, ddr3 4gb ram, you know if you consider that a budget gaming pc then hell, pc gaming is an expensive hobby lol.

[Cake Faice]

Then what was the point on getting quad cores, besides for gaming if programs preform better on dual cores. Unless it's an AMD only thing.

[Peetah]

Then what was the point on getting quad cores, besides for gaming if programs preform better on dual cores. Unless it's an AMD only thing.

Its cause a quad is a quad.
That doesnt mean anything but If your getting something new you want it to be future proof.
Why buy a NEW dual core is you know your gunna stick with it for awhile.


460 - $200
Cpu - $150
Mobo - $120
Ram - $50
Psu - $50
Hdd - $80

$650. + you need the Case.
Cant really consider anything lower then that budget and also being a "gaming" computer.

[Cake Faice]

Ram - $50

But holy shit if I would have known back July when I built my PC that I could save a shit-ton of money if I were to get a DDR3 motherboard instead of wasting $90 on 4gb of ddr2...I think I could have upgraded a few more components.

[Sabb]

So, just to see more options, what would the best hardrive be? I don't want opinions, just the very best performance, or of of the best.

[Carp]

I have heard bad things about Western Digital so go with Seagate those are the top 2 competitors. I have a Seagate 500 GB and haven't had any problems.

[Sabb]

Is it a bad thin that I have 17 GB out of 298 GB free? ._.

[Peetah]

I would suggest the Western digital Black at $80 500gb.
There is also the Wastern Digital Velociraptor $80 150gb.
You sacarfice capacity but the raptor is twice as fast.

If you want the very best you can a 64gb SSD for $80.
Now you sacarfice alot of capacity but low end ssds are at least twice as fast as raptors.

Your choise.

Western digital is not bad. They are equal to seagates from my expirence.
I have heard some things about the caviar blues but the blacks are good.

[Sabb]

I would suggest the Western digital Black at $80 500gb.
There is also the Wastern Digital Velociraptor $80 150gb.
You sacarfice capacity but the raptor is twice as fast.

If you want the very best you can a 64gb SSD for $80.
Now you sacarfice alot of capacity but low end ssds are at least twice as fast as raptors.

Your choise.

Western digital is not bad. They are equal to seagates from my expirence.
I have heard some things about the caviar blues but the blacks are good.

I think I'll go for Western Digital Black, no way I could last with less than 300 GB lol.
Also, what's the most expensive part of the computer?
Cause so far, I spend more money on hobby supplies than all of these things lol.

[Peetah]

The idea is not to get those $40 hdds. There very tempting for budget builders.
The cpu shouldent be the most expensive.
I say get a DECENT good mobo not a cheap budget.
Gpu dont spent too much. It will be already the most expensive anyways cause its a video card.

Edit.
Mmmm GUYS. WE FORGOT ABOUT THE 6850.
Alright argument is back on track.
6850 - $180.
So equal to the price of a 460.

From what I know.
They are pretty much neck in neck.
BUT.

460 has lower temps.
Surprisingly the 6850 has identical tessellation performance.

6850 does have a lower power consumption of about 40-50watts.
6850 Scales better in crossfire.
6850 can do multi display on only one card.
And dont forget you can bios flash a 6850 to a 6870.

Just some random points.

What do you guys think.

[Xrain]

I understand the 460 is a better card. I also agreed. Dont need to go all out now. :3

I never said that you didn't understand that the 460 is a better card.

You said that "Dirt 2 is biased towards Nvidia" Which undermines the data I supplied by implying that I had chosen an anomalous source to make my point seem more impressive, so I just went and reviewed some other games for comparison to see if I had done this unintentionally.

As what I said. Invest in the mobo and hdd first.
Mobo being the decider on what you will be using.
I also said dont spend too much on the Cpu.

In conclusion,
Get the dual core because it is more practical for todays use and is not too expensive.
Since you have the comparability from the mobo.
Upgrading to a more powerful cpu if needed in the future will be an easy option.

So get the 460, nice mobo, nice hdd, dual core, ddr3 and you got yourself a nice budget upgradeable pc.
Surly you agree.

That certainty would be a good budget computer, however it has limited scope.

That would be a good idea if you had some money now and expected to get more in the future.


Id caution against using generalizations like that, since it only applies depending on what situation the buyer is in.




Now onto Cake Faic...

Then I guess I've been living under a rock for quite some time and not realizing what has been released by then with the graphics cards. But I couldn't care less if the programs I have been using didn't take full advantage of multi-cores and have a lower performance over dual cores, if it still works and does not taking over 9000 hours to do 1 task, then I dont think you'd have to get that technical about it. Take Garry's Mod for example. People have been saying that Lua does not do very well on mutli-threaded programs. GMod has a multi-core rendering option, and my guess is that it utilizes 2 cores with that option. But I don't notice a degrade in performance or anything. You're right about me mis-assuming about stating everything gets unstable with 4 cores if anything.

I'm not sure what Garry does with the game coding wither it being multi-core or not, I still get sexy smooth performance in the game with the option turned on.

Then please, by all means let Sab get the 460 for the extra $10 while it's in that price-range. If a Phenom X4 wont do the job very well, then I honestly don't know what else can.

But did you really have to type all of those long paragraphs just to say "Dude, the 460 is better than the 5770 just for $10 more", quote only me on it, and -1 those post's I made just because I recommended a Phenom Quad core rather than a Dual Core? I might have a few reasons why on me instead of other people who recommended the same but really? No need to write an essay just to state that.

Yes my extra long post was needed.

Why? because if I just stated the point of what I am saying you guys would just pick some un-related loophole in my argument and I'd just go back and forth with you guys for about 15 posts, so Instead I just post one big post where I comprehensibly go through every point.

The problem is cake, your moving the argument away from the original topic, in order to find some way in where your still right. It's alright, just about every single person in the forum does this. And I'm sorry I've been singling you out for this. When you are doing a lot better than a majority of offenders when they do this.

But take a step back and look what you are telling me.

- I couldn't care less if the programs I have been using didn't take full advantage of multi-cores and have a lower performance over dual cores
- if it still works and does not taking over 9000 hours to do 1 task, then I dont think you'd have to get that technical about it
-GMod has a multi-core rendering option, and my guess is that it utilizes 2 cores with that option. But I don't notice a degrade in performance or anything.


1. I never said Quad cores had less performance when compared to any dual core.
This only applies to X2 and X4's. And only certain models.

Here I'll show you.
This X2 is $79.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103846
But oh hey look This X4 is only $97!!! I can has 4 cores!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103702

In this case, That X2, is a dual core edition of one of the top of the line X'4s. (the X4 955)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103808

Its all in the architecture.
That X4 955, would stomp the X2 555

But since the Architecture for the X2 555 is so much better than the cheap X4 (Propus 623), the Expensive X2 555 would win

All I have been trying to say, is that IF you go AMD GET EITHER THE EXPENSIVE QUAD CORES, OR THE EXPENSIVE DUAL CORES.

If you have the money get the quad core. Or better yet get a Sandy Bridge
If your on a budget, get the dual core Callisto series.


The more cores you get OF THE SAME PROCESSOR ARCHITECTURE, the better that processor will be.


2. This is the computer forum and I am an Engineer being Technical comes with the business.

3. Trying to Compare the Multi-Core rendering option, to multi-threading lua... Just doesn't compute, there is so many issues to each of those that I couldn't possibly hope to cover it well.

I will say this about it. The multi-core rendering option is completely irrelevant to how lua is computed, And if you have the cores 3+, the multi-threaded option happens to improve performance
Sabbath

Go with a Crucial C300 SSD 64GB, and a 1-2 TB Western Digital Caviar Black

- Put windows, and some of your most played games on the C300
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148357
- Put Movies, music, and non-critical games on the 1-2TB WD Caviar


Have a hella fast boot time + Still have plenty of room. ?? Profit ??

TO EVERYONE

All I'm ever trying to do in all my TL:DR's is just trying to get you to think CRITICALLY.

Ask yourself:
-Am I really confident in all the facts I'm going to say?
-Have I really though this through and done research?
-Does the argument I'm trying to make actually pertain to the topic? or am I just trying to misdirect people.

If someone Attacks your ideas:

Look it up! If your wrong, Your wrong Big Deal!

P.S. To peetah

Your right, you should never buy the most expensive processor, as they are just overclocked version of cheaper ones.

But don't skimp on a CPU if you can, as your CPU is what is responsible for nearly every calculation in your computer. (aka it is what does everything)

[Sabb]

I never said that you didn't understand that the 460 is a better card.

You said that "Dirt 2 is biased towards Nvidia" Which undermines the data I supplied by implying that I had chosen an anomalous source to make my point seem more impressive, so I just went and reviewed some other games for comparison to see if I had done this unintentionally.

That certainty would be a good budget computer, however it has limited scope.

That would be a good idea if you had some money now and expected to get more in the future.


Id caution against using generalizations like that, since it only applies depending on what situation the buyer is in.




Now onto Cake Faic...

Yes my extra long post was needed.

Why? because if I just stated the point of what I am saying you guys would just pick some un-related loophole in my argument and I'd just go back and forth with you guys for about 15 posts, so Instead I just post one big post where I comprehensibly go through every point.

The problem is cake, your moving the argument away from the original topic, in order to find some way in where your still right. It's alright, just about every single person in the forum does this. And I'm sorry I've been singling you out for this. When you are doing a lot better than a majority of offenders when they do this.

But take a step back and look what you are telling me.

- I couldn't care less if the programs I have been using didn't take full advantage of multi-cores and have a lower performance over dual cores
- if it still works and does not taking over 9000 hours to do 1 task, then I dont think you'd have to get that technical about it
-GMod has a multi-core rendering option, and my guess is that it utilizes 2 cores with that option. But I don't notice a degrade in performance or anything.


1. I never said Quad cores had less performance when compared to any dual core.
This only applies to X2 and X4's. And only certain models.

Here I'll show you.
This X2 is $79.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103846
But oh hey look This X4 is only $97!!! I can has 4 cores!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103702

In this case, That X2, is a dual core edition of one of the top of the line X'4s. (the X4 955)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103808

Its all in the architecture.
That X4 955, would stomp the X2 555

But since the Architecture for the X2 555 is so much better than the cheap X4 (Propus 623), the Expensive X2 555 would win

All I have been trying to say, is that IF you go AMD GET EITHER THE EXPENSIVE QUAD CORES, OR THE EXPENSIVE DUAL CORES.

If you have the money get the quad core. Or better yet get a Sandy Bridge
If your on a budget, get the dual core Callisto series.


The more cores you get OF THE SAME PROCESSOR ARCHITECTURE, the better that processor will be.


2. This is the computer forum and I am an Engineer being Technical comes with the business.

3. Trying to Compare the Multi-Core rendering option, to multi-threading lua... Just doesn't compute, there is so many issues to each of those that I couldn't possibly hope to cover it well.

I will say this about it. The multi-core rendering option is completely irrelevant to how lua is computed, And if you have the cores 3+, the multi-threaded option happens to improve performance
Sabbath

Go with a Crucial C300 SSD 64GB, and a 1-2 TB Western Digital Caviar Black

- Put windows, and some of your most played games on the C300
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148357
- Put Movies, music, and non-critical games on the 1-2TB WD Caviar


Have a hella fast boot time + Still have plenty of room. ?? Profit ??

TO EVERYONE

All I'm ever trying to do in all my TL:DR's is just trying to get you to think CRITICALLY.

Ask yourself:
-Am I really confident in all the facts I'm going to say?
-Have I really though this through and done research?
-Does the argument I'm trying to make actually pertain to the topic? or am I just trying to misdirect people.

If someone Attacks your ideas:

Look it up! If your wrong, Your wrong Big Deal!

P.S. To peetah

Your right, you should never buy the most expensive processor, as they are just overclocked version of cheaper ones.

But don't skimp on a CPU if you can, as your CPU is what is responsible for nearly every calculation in your computer. (aka it is what does everything)

Xrain, I can't express how much I appreciate all your huge essay tl;dr posts, thank you!
Also, thank you Peetah and everyone else for the help.
I really do appreciate it all, and it's a big help!

[Frank]

How good is this?

Motherboard Asrock H55M-LE                   
CPU Intel I3 530 2.93GHz
RAM Kingston 2GB 1333MHz DDR3
Probably some cheap Sony DVD/CD burner                       
GPU EVGA nVidia GTS450 1GB               
ATX uh don't know how to say it in English, but where you put all the stuff in.