What Would be a the Best Investment for Building a New Computer?

[Xrain]

But wait. Isn't the sandy bridge the processor that lets intel access your shit? Like they can destroy the computer with one touch of a button. I won't buy one of those just for that. That's some scary shit.

That would be a negative, they just added a command for enterprise users, in enterprise applications to destroy the computer in-case of theft, in-order to prevent data theft and such.

Intel didn't come up with the technology, it's been around for quite a few years with enterprise security packages, but Intel decided to include it as an option for enterprise users.


Intel cant just dial up any old computer and nuke it.

[Osme]

dont buy ati card atm. with the current top of the line models, 6970 and 570 (580 is a waste lol) the 570 performs better in many ways, and is about 30-80 USD cheaper last i checked
atleast, with topline gfx...
get a "superclocked" from evga. great company, and its already well enough overclocked for 10 dollars more, w/o voiding warrenty

and if your getting a completely new computer, buy a nice, cheap asus 1155 board,and something like the 2400. the 2300 is just foolish. 10 dollars cheaper, shit in comparison. it will likely save you money in the long run. but i would wait a few weeks for price to die down a bit...

just my op
well if your build a topline PC that is...
if it only needs top run, buy amd cpu for 20 dollars :\

[Peetah]

My knowlage.

If your building from scratch and not upgrading very often.
Starting from scratch you must prioritize.

A very important part and I cannot stress this enough. Spend a bit more money and get a good hard drive!
People dont look at the hardrive as an importance and get a budget one.
The hard drive is what bottlenecks THE computer. Regardless how fast it is.
Before it even gets processed or saved into the ram It is first read from the hard drive. Basically every part is waiting for the hard drive.
It will make the most difference in everyday use.

Next most important is the Mobo.
Buy the Mobo once. Spent mroe money on it.
The mobo gives you the compatibly to upgrade in the future.
Buying a new cpu or a stick of ram and finding out you need a new mobo, your just wasting money.

The cpu some ppl may think important but is not.
On a budget you do not need to spend most money on a high end cpu.
Buy one that is just enough. Mainstream, a low end quad is more then  enough.

Graphics card is also important but not too important.
They are easily upgradeable, easy to sell and buy.
Buy one thats enough and upgrade in the future.

[Cake Faice]

Best Investment? Trust me, it pretty much is the best bang for the buck.



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Nids any Phenom ii x4 and a radeon 5770.

[Deathie]

I'm a get a Intel Dual Core for my AMD motherboard while using a Geforce crossfired with a Radeon.

[Osme]

I'm a get a Intel Dual Core for my AMD motherboard while using a Geforce crossfired with a Radeon.

i did that once
works pretty well
 

[Deathie]

i did that once
works pretty well
 

d00d ima get liek 4000000 fps and ur pc sux jajaja

[Carp]

If you want to build a computer that runs every game pretty much you are looking to spend at least 1k.

I spent 1.2k on mine and it's a beast.

[Pryvisee]

Best Investment? Trust me, it pretty much is the best bang for the buck.



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Nids any Phenom ii x4 and a radeon 5770.

AMD + ATI Rig.

Not AMD + Geforce or Intel + ATI or Intel + Intel or Intel + Geforce or AMD + Geforce/Intel, k?

Jus, AMD + ATI. You will <3 urself. You get more bang for the buck, like death said.

Kinda late 

[Cake Faice]

Kinda late 

Maybe he might want a bit more opinions...

But really, if you do go with AMD/ATi, these are some pretty nice recommendations. You don't need a $1000+ PC worth of parts to handle every game to be thrown.

Here's the one I have.

Nice little 3.0 quad core for about $130. It might be a little over budget if you want one of those budget gaming PC's.

Here's another phenom ii x4 for about $110. It looks decent from the reviews
You could OC it a bit if you want.

And if you are going with a radeon, don't bother with all of that 6xxxx series shit, just a simple 5770 will do.

Just pick up yourself a nice MSI or ASUS motherboard that's AM3 that can support ddr2 memory, get the cheapest 4gb ram sticks, a $60 PC case and $50 500W PSU and thar you go. I dunno about the hard-drive and extra cost for the OS but...yeh.

[Xrain]

Best Investment? Trust me, it pretty much is the best bang for the buck.

Nids any Phenom ii x4 and a radeon 5770.

Investment =/= bang for buck.

First of all, if you are going for bang for buck in the phenom range.

Do not go with one of AMD's cheap X4 processors, Instead go with the top of the line X2.

Why? AMD's cheapest X4 processor, is just a four core version of their lowest end dual processor.

And as most programs still suffer from poor multi-core threading, you would see a much larger benifit from a much much faster Dual core than a slower quad core. As you will only use 1-2 cores of the quad core at any given time anyway.

Second of all... The bloody 5770? really?



Wanna know how much a 5770 costs?

$149.99

Wanna know how much a 1Gb 460 costs?

$159.99

The bloody 768MB 460 which Still performs better than the 5770

is $149.99

That's some awfully good bang for buck there. 



Also FYI, it's not ATI Graphics anymore

It's


So that would be, AMD GRAPHICS, and AMD PROCESSOR

sheesh if your going to be a fanboy, at least get the facts about your own company straight.



And now onto my Investment =/= Bang for buck.

If you were going to make a solid investment, you would not look for the cheapiest piece of crap plot of land to buy, or go get a whole bunch of stocks that are selling for $0.01 a stock.

That's called wasting money, not investing it.


The same thing applies if you were looking to make an investment into a decent computer.

Why on earth, would you buy a new computer that can't even play the latest games fully. I completely understand is if all you have to spend is ~$400-600 on a new computer, then I would completely understand.

But if you are looking to make a smart INVESTMENT, why would you buy last generation's low-mid range technology.

If you were trying to make an investment, you would purchase somthing that has a good chance of still being up-to-date for a year or so, not somthing that is already out-dated.



Honestly you guys have done this to me several times already.

In-fact I remembered I specifically asked for advice on buying a laptop on the forums.

I said I wanted:

1920x1080 resoultion
Professional Graphics card (firepro or Quadro)
and non-gaudy looks.
Since this was going to be a work labtop which I would do CAD work on.

What was recommended to me was:

1420X800 resolution
460m  or 5870m Graphics
and in Glossy ferrari red plastics.

BUT IT WAS BETTER BECAUSE IT WAS 900 DOLLARS LESS.
Even if the consumer 400 series has been known to be horrendous for CAD work.
 

[Peetah]

One thing. Dirt 2 specifically likes nvidia hardware better.
But the fact is. Nvidia truly did beat ati with the 460. It is just a good card that got great marketing.
Nvidia made alot of profit with the 460 and is able to sell for cheaper.
460>5770.

Now as for cake telling you to get a ddr2 mobo.
I say naw. Ddr2 is getting old.
Ddr 2 ram prices have sky rocketed seriously.
Ddr3 is cheaper then ddr2. Get a ddr3 board.

[Cake Faice]

One thing. Dirt 2 specifically likes nvidia hardware better.
But the fact is. Nvidia truly did beat ati with the 460. It is just a good card that got great marketing.
Nvidia made alot of profit with the 460 and is able to sell for cheaper.
460>5770.

Now as for cake telling you to get a ddr2 mobo.
I say naw. Ddr2 is getting old.
Ddr 2 ram prices have sky rocketed seriously.
Ddr3 is cheaper then ddr2. Get a ddr3 board.

Holy crap, Peetah is right. Actually do get a ddr3 motherboard :O

Xrain, not to sound like a dick or anything but, I was not trying to aim for being a fanboy. I sure as hell haven't had any type of performance issue because I'm using a quad-core and not a dual core. Let Sabbath get the Nvidia then if it 'beats' the 5770. Even though it still is cheaper, the radeon will do it's job just perfectly. But I had far more better experiences with ATi (Sorry, but if I bought a card when it was still called an ATi, i'm sticking to calling it an ATi).

And uhh, can you please state a few programs that use all the cores that people commonly use that they will have a shitty, glitchy and crashy time with quad core rather then a dual core?

Oh and tehehe, I liek how you directly quoted my post, not making a reference/-1'ing to any other amd/ati recommendation but claiming I'm the fanboy here.

[Xrain]

One thing. Dirt 2 specifically likes nvidia hardware better.

Very well Then
(These are percent improvment over the 5770 going off the Minimum FPS)

Stalker: Call of Pripyat: 1920 x 1080

1 GB 460: 16.667%
768 MB 460: 11.7647%

Dirt 2: 1920x1200

1 GB 460: 31.372%
768 MB 460: 25.53%

Crysis: 1920 x 1200

1 GB: 38.45%
768MB: 38.45%

Bad Company 2: 1920 x 1200

1GB: 41.935%
768MB: 33.33%


I'd Say Dirt 2 doesn't prefer Nvidia any more than any other game.

Holy crap, Peetah is right. Actually do get a ddr3 motherboard :O

Xrain, not to sound like a dick or anything but, I was not trying to aim for being a fanboy. I sure as hell haven't had any type of performance issue because I'm using a quad-core and not a dual core. Let Sabbath get the Nvidia then if it 'beats' the 5770. Even though it still is cheaper, the radeon will do it's job just perfectly. But I had far more better experiences with ATi (Sorry, but if I bought a card when it was still called an ATi, i'm sticking to calling it an ATi).

And uhh, can you please state a few programs that people commonly use that they will have a shitty, glitchy and crashy time with quad core rather then a dual core?

If calling you a Fanboy was going a bit too far, I apologize.

But lets review:

1. Going in-ordinarily go out of your way to support a company, and when faced with factual proof that the item is substandard when compared to a competing item of the exact same price range. You respond with a subjective opinion that the card just "feels" better.

Example:

Let Sabbath get the Nvidia then if it 'beats' the 5770. Even though it still is cheaper, the radeon will do it's job just perfectly. But I had far more better experiences with ATi

2. Using "quotes" around the word "beats" as if to imply that the card is only superficially improved when compared to the object of ones idolization.

3. Not properly reading another one's post in order to draw out a non-supported conclusion

Exsample:

And uhh, can you please state a few programs that people commonly use that they will have a shitty, glitchy and crashy time with quad core rather then a dual core?

And as most programs still suffer from poor multi-core threading

I suppose this last one was somewhat my fault for not properly explaining what I meant.

So to rectify.

When I said "And as most programs still suffer from poor multi-core threading" what my intended meaning was that most programs still haven't fully taken advantage of the multi-core technology. So if they have taken advantage of it, most of the time the implementation suffers from significant diminishing returns, with it not receiving the same benefit as it did from going from a single to a dual core configuration, as going from a dual to a quad core.

Thus the low end X4 processors, will perform slower in MOST applications that would be used by a Rnd community member. When compared to the High end X2 processors.


I did not in any way shape or form say/imply that a multi-threaded app is inherently more unstable when compared to a single threaded app.

Only that the technology still hasn't been fully taken advantage of enough to the point that have slower many cores is faster than having significantly faster fewer cores.

You really think a 16 core Atom processor would perform as fast in the applications we use when compared to a X2 or X4?, or I3/I5/I7


If you happen to use your computer as a web server handling a in-numerous websites, then what i would be saying wouldn't apply.




I also am not saying that the 5770 is a crappy card. and if you have a 5770 it wouldn't be worth paying for a 460 as an upgrade.

But when you compare the 5770 to a card that is similarly priced, it's performance is substandard.



I have also myself owned 3 ATI card, and 4 nVidia cards. And in my opinion the experience I received with both has been about equal.

[Deathie]

Very well Then

I came.