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Re: Dell inspiron 530s upgrade
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2010, 01:32:44 PM »
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I have decided to build a computer using newegg.
Here are my items i have selected to put into my computer.

Computer case = Thermaltake V9 BlacX Edition with Docking Station (NewEgg Exclusive) SECC / Mesh ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

Motherboard = GIGABYTE GA-880GA-UD3H AM3 AMD 880G HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard

CPU = AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ965FBGMBOX

Memory(RAM) = TWO OF G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL

CPU Cooling Device = ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro Rev.2 92mm Fluid Dynamic CPU Cooler

Video Card = GIGABYTE GV-N580D5-15I-B GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) 1536MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

Hard Drive = Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

Disc Reader = ASUS Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
Card Reader = Rosewill RCR-IM5001 USB2.0 75 in 1 internal Card Reader w/ 3 ports USB2.0 Hub / eSATA port / Extra silver face plate / Molex Power

Power Supply = COUGAR SX700 COUGAR-SX700 700W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
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Power Supply = Thermaltake TR-700P TR2 BRONZE 700W ATX 12V V2.3 / EPS 12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply
Thats all i have selected. If more components are needed to make a computer run PLEASE REPLY AND EXPLAIN. If you have any suggestion...ALSO PLEASE REPLY AND EXPLAIN.

My questions....
Is everything I have selected supported with each other?
Will my computer case hold and support all these components?
My current monitor is from 2008, should i get a new one for the better video card or will this work fine?
What exactly is SATA? Do i need a SATA disk? or is SATA included with one of the components?
The thermaltake v9 can take laptop hard drives, will these hard drives work as a normal hard drive?
I noticed some items called SSD, which include names like SATA I, SATA II, and SATA III....do i need this to make my computer function?

Update = changed power supply to a cheaper one. Couldn't find a Corsair one with 700w.

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Re: Dell inspiron 530s upgrade
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2010, 02:38:58 PM »
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Holy mother of Jesus u have alot of money.

From what I see here. Everything should work together fine.
The Gtx580 min requirements is a 600w so a 700w should be fine.

Now if u look at the case page. There is a bundle deal. That case + the Roswell 700w for 150$. Should go with that.
Your current psu your choosing right now is from a very premature company. So there stuff is pretty expensive. Go with the bundle.

Sata is a new interface for harddrives and cddrives. If u remember the old IDE the fat ass cables. Now are replaced with the newer and faster Sata which uses skinny small red cables.

SSD is a new technology in harddrives. Instead of a spinning disk it uses flash memory. It is much faster much more efficient. Does not produce heat or noise.
BUT it is very expensive and low capacity at this moment.
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Re: Dell inspiron 530s upgrade
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2010, 03:27:38 PM »
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Aslong as that case is an mid/full ATX tower, you have all the components to run it.

But on the 580...eh, you could save a bit more $$$ if you choose a ATI Radeon. But its your call.

Thank god you didnt waste your money on an Alienware.

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Re: Dell inspiron 530s upgrade
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2010, 06:43:57 PM »
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Alright, that's pretty damn good for the first computer you ever built.

 But I'd recommend reading up a bit on this hardware guide for the month. http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/buyers-guide/2010/11/03/pc-hardware-buyer-s-guide-november-2010/1 It dosn't include the 580 in the guide since it came out a week after this guide was updated.

But I agree on the PSU issue. I'd personally recommend going with Corsair Power supplies they are extremely excellent power supplies and not too expensive.

If you would like, give me a budget,

And order these words from first to last in order of importance (First being most important, last being least.)

- Performance
- Gaming
- Sound Quality (How important is great sound quality to you?)
- Blue-Ray Player (Would you like a blue-ray player?)
- Quietness
- Bling ( How much do you want your computer to stand out, Or not stand out)

After that I'll give you the best set-up I can think of, although case choice will be more of a personal thing.
If there is anything else you would like me to consider let me know.

Then afterwards you are free to disregard or use as much of my supplied advice.
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Re: Dell inspiron 530s upgrade
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2010, 07:05:00 PM »
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Alright, that's pretty damn good for the first computer you ever built.

 But I'd recommend reading up a bit on this hardware guide for the month. http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/buyers-guide/2010/11/03/pc-hardware-buyer-s-guide-november-2010/1 It dosn't include the 580 in the guide since it came out a week after this guide was updated.

But I agree on the PSU issue. I'd personally recommend going with Corsair Power supplies they are extremely excellent power supplies and not too expensive.

If you would like, give me a budget,

And order these words from first to last in order of importance (First being most important, last being least.)

- Performance
- Gaming
- Sound Quality (How important is great sound quality to you?)
- Blue-Ray Player (Would you like a blue-ray player?)
- Quietness
- Bling ( How much do you want your computer to stand out, Or not stand out)

After that I'll give you the best set-up I can think of, although case choice will be more of a personal thing.
If there is anything else you would like me to consider let me know.

Then afterwards you are free to disregard or use as much of my supplied advice.

1000-1500$

Performance
Gaming
Queit
Sound
Bling
Bluray Normal drive is fine\

Also I have my old ATI Radeon 2400 HD in this computer. If I buy the new one...can i move this graphics card into it? Or does it have to be two of the same.
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Re: Dell inspiron 530s upgrade
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2010, 07:05:38 PM »
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Also forgot to mention...CPU and Motherboard are a bundle.
BTW i chose AMD phenom II  since i think its better than intel.
But I will switch to intel if its cheaper.

EDIT : AMD is cheaper....lol screw intel.

EDIT AGAIN: I decided to change graphics card to SAPPHIRE 100315L Radeon HD 6850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102908

Problem is it says 2.1 x16....my current motherboard is 2.0....WILL IT WORK?
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Re: Dell inspiron 530s upgrade
« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2010, 06:01:44 PM »
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Alrighty, So for my recommendation.

Quick Specs:

CPU:         Intel i7-950
Mobo:        ASUS P6X58D-E
GPU:           Zotac AMP!  GTX 470 1280Mb
PSU:            XFX Black Edition 750W
RAM:            Corsair Dominator DDR3 1600 6Gb (2gb x 3)
CPU Cooler:   Thermaltake Frio
OS:               Win 7 64-bit Home Premium
HDD:             Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB
DVD Burner:   ASUS 24X Sata dvd burner
Case:              SilverStone Raven
Misc.:              Rosewill 74-in-1 card reader

Cost: $1,553.78


Alright now for the details....


CPU:


You said you were interested in performance most of all, and while the Phenom II is a very good processor, It is by no means top dog. The i7-950 (I would have preferred the 930 but it's sold out atm) is about twice as powerful as the Phenom II, and is the most economical high performance processor out at the moment.

Newegg Link: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115211

Review: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2010/03/01/intel-core-i7-930-cpu-review/1



Motherboard:


With the I7 processor you will need to use a motherboard with a LGA 1366 cpu socket. This motherboard has lots of features, lots of capabilities, and plenty of room to expand. It also performs excellently and is very reasonably priced for a LGA 1366 motherboard.

Newegg Link:  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131641

Review:  http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/motherboards/2010/08/20/asus-p6x58d-e-review/1



GPU:

Choosing what gpu to use was a bit more difficult since there are quite a few more gpu's going to be coming out the door in the next month or so. Ultimately I picked the GTX 470, and the Zotac AMP! edition specifically. While AMD offers great gpu's in the form of the 5000 series, and now the 6000 series. They actually have been getting more expensive due to the high demand for them.  While Nvidia's cards have actually been getting cheaper because of the bad press they initially received. The price difference is big enough that the 470 is one of the best deals around for a super high performance card. The Zotac AMP! edition has a pretty spiffy cooler on it, that is quite a bit better than the stock 470, The only downsides to this card is it takes up 3 slots and the cooler itself isn't the sturdyest thing in the world so just dont be throwing your card around and you will be fine.
There are certantly card that perform better than the 470, but in trying to meet the $1500 budget this was the best way to go.

Newegg Link:  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500167

Zotac Review:  http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2010/10/20/zotac-geforce-gtx-470-amp-edition/1

Highend Card review:  http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2010/11/09/nvidia-geforce-gtx-580-review/1



PSU:

I had a few PSU's in mind, but I decided I like this XFX psu the best, since It A: Looks awesome, B: Has a big fan, and C: Performs very well at a decent price.

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at $130, the 750W XFX Black Edition...is great value for money. If you're in the market for a 700-799W PSU then it should be at the top of your shopping list.'

Newegg Link:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207003



RAM:

I ended up picking the Corsair Dominator DDR3 6 GB (2gb x 3) with having a LGA 1366 system, you also have the option to use triple channel ram. This will give you a slight performance boost over dual-channel ram. With ram the bandwidth ends up being a lot more important the the Latency of the ram. But since RAM is relatively cheap these days, I picked a 1600 MHz ram with a relativly low latency. The ram also comes with a very good set of coolers, I have RAM very similar to this, just being DDR2. Corsair's ram is almost always very reliable and fast, with a good costumer support and a warranty for the ram as long as you own it. I have used them on all the computers I have built and always had great results.

Newegg Link:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145224



CPU Cooler:

The Thermaltake Frio is one of the best performing CPU coolers out, on top of that, it has two fans each with their own speed controller, and has a solid mounting mechanism with a compatability to use it on any current modern CPU.

Newegg Link: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835106150

Review: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cooling/2010/07/14/thermaltake-frio-cpu-cooler-review/1



OS:

You need a 64-bit operating system to make use of all you ram, and win 7 is the best version of windows to come out so far. I went with home premium since I cant imagine you would need any of the features offered in the other versions, so this will do quite nicely. When you are building a new computer go with the OEM version of the operating system since that is made to be installed on a blank computer.

Newegg Link: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754



HDD:


The new solid-state drives are pretty awesome bits of kit, but they are quite a bit more expensive than a standard hard drive. This Samsung drive is one of the fastest on the market for its size and is quite reliable, not to mention inexpensive! :D

Newegg Link:  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

Review:
  http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/storage/2008/12/09/samsung-spinpoint-f1-1tb/1


DVD Burner:

DVD burners any more are kinda hard to pick since all are inexpensive, and on the whole perform relativly similarly. ASUS makes pretty good dvd drives, I have one and it is quite a nice drive, and has a really fast write speed compared to most drives. Along with overwhelmingly positive reviews.

Newegg Link: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204



Case:

Case choice is a very personal thing since most people have different tastes on what they find pleasing. This silverstone case in my opinion looks quite nice, but what I like about it most is what makes it different from all the other cases. The motherboard layout is unique to silverstone. All of the "rear" plugins are actually on the top underneath a cover. This makes it really easy to hookup and take down. Next the panels are insulated so it cuts down on the noise a bit. Last the case fans used are some of the best on the market they are 180mm, much bigger than the standard case fan, it also has three of them moving air around the case. The case is kinda big, but for your first build you might like this a lot. The motherboard tray is removable making it a lot easier to do most of the initial component placement. The build quality is outstanding so its likely this case will last you for a couple of builds into the future.

Newegg Link:  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163154

Review:  http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cases/2010/09/09/silverstone-raven-rv02-review/1



Misc:

You had a card reader on your list so I assumed you wanted one, the one you picked out looks fine to me.
Newegg link: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820223109




In Summary:


So now, the computer I picked out for you should perform over 2-3 times as well as that alienware you picked out. It will also do significantly better than the computer you build on new egg as well. If you ever find yourself with more cash upgrading to a Crucial C300 SSD drive would give you a big performance boost, as well as upgrading your video card to a higher performing one would help alot too.

There is one other thing this computer should be able to do very very well. That is overclocking, all of the components should have significant headroom for a little bit of overclocking, and if done right could increase the computers performance as much as 50%. I wouldn't recommend overclocking your computer if you are not at least relatively confident in your abilities, since there is a good chance of messing up your hardware if you do it wrong. But if you ever feel the need for extra performance, this computer should overclock quite nicely.

So go read the reviews of each product, I put them there for a reason. They will give you some insight into the components I picked, Bit-tech has always been a very reliable computer hardware news site, I've been visiting it since 2004 and haven't been disappointed yet.

So I hope this was helpful, I did my best in picking everything out. Good luck building your computer! (If you have anymore questions feel free to ask them here I'd be happy to answer them to the best of my ability)
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Re: Dell inspiron 530s upgrade
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2010, 08:50:00 PM »
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Alrighty, So for my recommendation.

Quick Specs:

CPU:         Intel i7-950
Mobo:        ASUS P6X58D-E
GPU:           Zotac AMP!  GTX 470 1280Mb
PSU:            XFX Black Edition 750W
RAM:            Corsair Dominator DDR3 1600 6Gb (2gb x 3)
CPU Cooler:   Thermaltake Frio
OS:               Win 7 64-bit Home Premium
HDD:             Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB
DVD Burner:   ASUS 24X Sata dvd burner
Case:              SilverStone Raven
Misc.:              Rosewill 74-in-1 card reader

Cost: $1,553.78


Alright now for the details....


CPU:


You said you were interested in performance most of all, and while the Phenom II is a very good processor, It is by no means top dog. The i7-950 (I would have preferred the 930 but it's sold out atm) is about twice as powerful as the Phenom II, and is the most economical high performance processor out at the moment.

Newegg Link: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115211

Review: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2010/03/01/intel-core-i7-930-cpu-review/1


The quad-core version of the Phenom II may not be top-dog, but the Phenom II X6 is pretty much worth it for the price, for a 10/5% Power difference then an i7.

The L2 Cache is much larger while the L3 has 2MB's less than the i7 you linked to. Thats where the factor of the power difference comes in, And besides, You can overclock it by 200mhz to achieve 3.0. AMD's are Ideal for overclocking as they dont produce as much heat as Intel's do. I've owned about 1 core 2 quad and 1 dual core Pentium, the core 2 hit a high of 80* underload while the pentium hit 70* underload. While my AMD Sempron and Phenom have not passed 50*. And trust me, I cleaned out all of the dust from the heatsinks on the Intel's and applied new thermal paste. Not to menchion a tad lower Wattage of 125W than that intel.

This phenom would do the trick if you were to OC it by no more then 200mhz. You can shave off $120 or so from that price.



Motherboard:


With the I7 processor you will need to use a motherboard with a LGA 1366 cpu socket. This motherboard has lots of features, lots of capabilities, and plenty of room to expand. It also performs excellently and is very reasonably priced for a LGA 1366 motherboard.

Newegg Link:  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131641

Review:  http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/motherboards/2010/08/20/asus-p6x58d-e-review/1

For $40 less, this nice MSI can do. It supports that hex core AMD and you dont need to change the CPU socket every 6 months like intel does. And since AMD are suitable at overclocking, the motherboard has many features to overclock your CPU/GPU/Parts. It has one less pci-e 2.0 x16 then that ASUS Intel mobo, but it has more PCI-e slots to expand with. But It does have less Memory slots though, Unless your running a NASA Space Station computer/Heavy Program running to the extreme, 16GB's of RAM will do.

GPU:

Choosing what gpu to use was a bit more difficult since there are quite a few more gpu's going to be coming out the door in the next month or so. Ultimately I picked the GTX 470, and the Zotac AMP! edition specifically. While AMD offers great gpu's in the form of the 5000 series, and now the 6000 series. They actually have been getting more expensive due to the high demand for them.  While Nvidia's cards have actually been getting cheaper because of the bad press they initially received. The price difference is big enough that the 470 is one of the best deals around for a super high performance card. The Zotac AMP! edition has a pretty spiffy cooler on it, that is quite a bit better than the stock 470, The only downsides to this card is it takes up 3 slots and the cooler itself isn't the sturdyest thing in the world so just dont be throwing your card around and you will be fine.
There are certantly card that perform better than the 470, but in trying to meet the $1500 budget this was the best way to go.

Newegg Link:  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500167

Zotac Review:  http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2010/10/20/zotac-geforce-gtx-470-amp-edition/1

Highend Card review:  http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2010/11/09/nvidia-geforce-gtx-580-review/1


That actually is a good GPU for the price. But I'd got with a Radeon 5870 instead. It has a much high core clock/more dedicated memory than the gtx 470. And thats what you do with the savings with the motherboard since its $30-40 more. But It does need a hefty PSU to support it.


PSU:

I had a few PSU's in mind, but I decided I like this XFX psu the best, since It A: Looks awesome, B: Has a big fan, and C: Performs very well at a decent price.

Newegg Link:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207003


DO WANT.


Yea yea, good recommendations but if the OP goes with the AMD, then you might wanna change to a coolermaster V8 or something.

Not to be a Fan Boy or anything, but if you really have all of that money and want the very best of the best, then go with Xrain's recommendation. But if You want a slimmer budget to have more $ left over for more upgrades/addons, while maintaining in the same performance range, then you'd switch over to those I have linked.

Xrain's Cost: $1,553

My Cost: $1,428

$160 off may not be alot, but if you were to go with this Raidmax Tornado, You can then shave off another $80. So really, the price would be

$1,348.

If your going to be playing GPU intense games like crysis, then my recommendations will do just fine. You can probably get around 60 fps with everything to max including max res and max AA if your lucky, if not then defiantly above 30fps.

Then of-course, if you REALLY want to save money but still have a sweet gaming rig, then you can go with my specs:

CPU - AMD Phenom ii x4 @ 3.0
RAM - CORSAIR 4gb DDR2 800mhz
HDD - Some OEM Samsung 1tb hdd for $50
OS - Windows 7 32bit
GPU - Radeon 5770/1GB GDDR5
Case - Some cheap, shitty, Raidmax case
PSU - $40 JAVA 500W PSU
Motherboard - ASUS M471L-M or something like that, it was around $70 and its an AM3 socket

I can handle games just fine with my specs. I can play crysis smoothly with max settings, I hit over 200fps in source games and a top of 300 fps in Gmod (Map dependent, usually above 100fps). CoD and all of that is around 80 fps with max settings and max AA and such.

The overall price of my Computer is $700. And mine suits just right.

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Re: Dell inspiron 530s upgrade
« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2010, 02:13:17 AM »
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The quad-core version of the Phenom II may not be top-dog, but the Phenom II X6 is pretty much worth it for the price, for a 10/5% Power difference then an i7.

The L2 Cache is much larger while the L3 has 2MB's less than the i7 you linked to. Thats where the factor of the power difference comes in, And besides, You can overclock it by 200mhz to achieve 3.0. AMD's are Ideal for overclocking as they dont produce as much heat as Intel's do. I've owned about 1 core 2 quad and 1 dual core Pentium, the core 2 hit a high of 80* underload while the pentium hit 70* underload. While my AMD Sempron and Phenom have not passed 50*. And trust me, I cleaned out all of the dust from the heatsinks on the Intel's and applied new thermal paste. Not to menchion a tad lower Wattage of 125W than that intel.

This phenom would do the trick if you were to OC it by no more then 200mhz. You can shave off $120 or so from that price.

If you can only get 200 MHz out of a Phenom something has gone wrong and you got a crappy CPU. Using a decent cooler you can expect to over clock an X4 to around 3.8-4.1 GHz. While almost any i7-930 or 950 can expected to get over 4 GHz, and sometimes as high as 4.3Ghz depending on how skillful you are at your overclocking.

The dual core Pentium can arguable be classified as one of the word processors in Intel's history, they were hot, slow and unstable. You might as well compare a K8 processor to the Pentium, since the Core/ix architecture is completely different to the Pentiums.

The lower TDP = more overclocking room sounds good on paper, but it doesn't really translate to reality. With a higher TDP it also means the cpu has been designed to dissipate more heat compared to a lower power TDP cpu. So in the end TDP doesn't really mean much when figuring your ultimate overclocking limits. It all comes down to how well you are able to cool your processors, and how good you are at finding that balance of stability.

Why you were trying to seriously overclock on a stock cooler is a mystery to me I have a Q9450 and my temperatures are generally around 33 degrees C, and the highest I have seen it go is around 48 degrees when I turned off all my fans to nearly off over night. If you are having serious temperature issues, add some better fans to your case, or go buy a new cpu cooler.

Going across manufactures and comparing the cache they have doesn't really work. If you stay in the same core architecture, then yes generally processors with higher cache amounts will mean a slightly more capable processor (ex. I7 with 4MB cache vs. 8MB cache). But comparing the cache amount between a Intel and AMD processor of the same generation doesn't mean anything. The way each processor handles its memory is completely different, so it doesn't lend itself to comparison very well.


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For $40 less, this nice MSI can do. It supports that hex core AMD and you dont need to change the CPU socket every 6 months like intel does. And since AMD are suitable at overclocking, the motherboard has many features to overclock your CPU/GPU/Parts. It has one less pci-e 2.0 x16 then that ASUS Intel mobo, but it has more PCI-e slots to expand with. But It does have less Memory slots though, Unless your running a NASA Space Station computer/Heavy Program running to the extreme, 16GB's of RAM will do.

The LGA 1366 socket has been around since 2008 when the i7 series was first released. AM3 was released in February of 2009, with no compatibility with the previous AM2/AM2+ sockets; unlike some of the previous iterations. The ASUS board supports Hex core i7's...  :idk: And how many PCI-e slots do you need? That MSI board also has less PCI slots, which still a significant portion of the add-in markets still use.

And for the record, A computer for controlling the space station is likely to get it's ass handed to it by a graphing calculator. Most of the high performance computers up there would be a ruggedized workstation computer which tend to be not very hot on in the high performance department. Human space flight computer hardware tends to not advance very quickly, since the preference is if the computer performs all the functions needed, what is the point of adding extra risk in upgrading to a new computing system?


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That actually is a good GPU for the price. But I'd got with a Radeon 5870 instead. It has a much high core clock/more dedicated memory than the gtx 470. And thats what you do with the savings with the motherboard since its $30-40 more. But It does need a hefty PSU to support it.

Why Cake Faic why... why would you do this to me?!?! By that reasoning, this graphics card should be the best one on the market (OMG IT HAS 3GB OF RAM IS MUST BE AWESOME)

Sorry for being snarky about this, but I feel like I die a little on the inside when people make comparisons of video cards on the clock speed and Ram amount, when the two cards function in completely different ways.

If you have over 1 GB of ram, it very rarely ever becomes a limiting factor, unless you run ridiculous resolutions, and have multiple monitors extra video ram above a certain point becomes redundant.

In most cases the 5870 performs measurably worse than the GTX 470, there are only a few cases where the 470 is beaten out by the 5870. So averaging things out overall the 470 slightly outperforms the 5870, while costing $30-$40 less.

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    Yea yea, good recommendations but if the OP goes with the AMD, then you might wanna change to a coolermaster V8 or something.

Not to be a Fan Boy or anything, but if you really have all of that money and want the very best of the best, then go with Xrain's recommendation. But if You want a slimmer budget to have more $ left over for more upgrades/addons, while maintaining in the same performance range, then you'd switch over to those I have linked.

Honestly I love AMD to bits. But the problem is, their stuff is still based off of the same K8 architecture that came out when they were kicking intel's ass in the Pentium days. Don't get me wrong I love that architecture. But as things currently stand, AMD's processor lineup is strictly Low-Med performance at a reasonable price. If what you want is performance, Intel is making the better processor at the moment.

Take a look at the double posts from the op directly preceding my recommendations. I asked him to line up in order of importance, what he wanted most out of the computer. #1 on his list was performance. I also asked him for a budget, he gave me $1500 as his upper limit. So I set out to build the highest performing and most cost effective computer I could with the available budget. So if you want a cheaper computer let me know, but trying to pass off two computers and saying one is a better recommendation simply on the idea that it's cheaper is kinda irrelevant. If he really wants to go cheap go with an ARM, or a NANO or ATOM those are cheap too.



But thanks a lot for the response cake :thumbsup:, please know I'm not trying to tear down your computer building abilities, it's just companies work very hard on their marketing, and it tends to incite confusion, such as Nvidia marketing a crappy bottom range gpu with a pointless amount of slow ram and only pointing out the idea that it has OMG 3GB OF RAM :OOOOO


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Re: Dell inspiron 530s upgrade
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If you can only get 200 MHz out of a Phenom something has gone wrong and you got a crappy CPU. Using a decent cooler you can expect to over clock an X4 to around 3.8-4.1 GHz. While almost any i7-930 or 950 can expected to get over 4 GHz, and sometimes as high as 4.3Ghz depending on how skillful you are at your overclocking.

The dual core Pentium can arguable be classified as one of the word processors in Intel's history, they were hot, slow and unstable. You might as well compare a K8 processor to the Pentium, since the Core/ix architecture is completely different to the Pentiums.

The lower TDP = more overclocking room sounds good on paper, but it doesn't really translate to reality. With a higher TDP it also means the cpu has been designed to dissipate more heat compared to a lower power TDP cpu. So in the end TDP doesn't really mean much when figuring your ultimate overclocking limits. It all comes down to how well you are able to cool your processors, and how good you are at finding that balance of stability.

Why you were trying to seriously overclock on a stock cooler is a mystery to me I have a Q9450 and my temperatures are generally around 33 degrees C, and the highest I have seen it go is around 48 degrees when I turned off all my fans to nearly off over night. If you are having serious temperature issues, add some better fans to your case, or go buy a new cpu cooler.

Going across manufactures and comparing the cache they have doesn't really work. If you stay in the same core architecture, then yes generally processors with higher cache amounts will mean a slightly more capable processor (ex. I7 with 4MB cache vs. 8MB cache). But comparing the cache amount between a Intel and AMD processor of the same generation doesn't mean anything. The way each processor handles its memory is completely different, so it doesn't lend itself to comparison very well.


The LGA 1366 socket has been around since 2008 when the i7 series was first released. AM3 was released in February of 2009, with no compatibility with the previous AM2/AM2+ sockets; unlike some of the previous iterations. The ASUS board supports Hex core i7's...  :idk: And how many PCI-e slots do you need? That MSI board also has less PCI slots, which still a significant portion of the add-in markets still use.

And for the record, A computer for controlling the space station is likely to get it's ass handed to it by a graphing calculator. Most of the high performance computers up there would be a ruggedized workstation computer which tend to be not very hot on in the high performance department. Human space flight computer hardware tends to not advance very quickly, since the preference is if the computer performs all the functions needed, what is the point of adding extra risk in upgrading to a new computing system?


Why Cake Faic why... why would you do this to me?!?! By that reasoning, this graphics card should be the best one on the market (OMG IT HAS 3GB OF RAM IS MUST BE AWESOME)

Sorry for being snarky about this, but I feel like I die a little on the inside when people make comparisons of video cards on the clock speed and Ram amount, when the two cards function in completely different ways.

If you have over 1 GB of ram, it very rarely ever becomes a limiting factor, unless you run ridiculous resolutions, and have multiple monitors extra video ram above a certain point becomes redundant.

In most cases the 5870 performs measurably worse than the GTX 470, there are only a few cases where the 470 is beaten out by the 5870. So averaging things out overall the 470 slightly outperforms the 5870, while costing $30-$40 less.

Not to be a Fan Boy or anything, but if you really have all of that money and want the very best of the best, then go with Xrain's recommendation. But if You want a slimmer budget to have more $ left over for more upgrades/addons, while maintaining in the same performance range, then you'd switch over to those I have linked.

Honestly I love AMD to bits. But the problem is, their stuff is still based off of the same K8 architecture that came out when they were kicking intel's ass in the Pentium days. Don't get me wrong I love that architecture. But as things currently stand, AMD's processor lineup is strictly Low-Med performance at a reasonable price. If what you want is performance, Intel is making the better processor at the moment.

Take a look at the double posts from the op directly preceding my recommendations. I asked him to line up in order of importance, what he wanted most out of the computer. #1 on his list was performance. I also asked him for a budget, he gave me $1500 as his upper limit. So I set out to build the highest performing and most cost effective computer I could with the available budget. So if you want a cheaper computer let me know, but trying to pass off two computers and saying one is a better recommendation simply on the idea that it's cheaper is kinda irrelevant. If he really wants to go cheap go with an ARM, or a NANO or ATOM those are cheap too.



But thanks a lot for the response cake :thumbsup:, please know I'm not trying to tear down your computer building abilities, it's just companies work very hard on their marketing, and it tends to incite confusion, such as Nvidia marketing a crappy bottom range gpu with a pointless amount of slow ram and only pointing out the idea that it has OMG 3GB OF RAM :OOOOO


PS: It's generally a bad idea when quoting someone, to put your response to the quote inside the quotes, rather than the original post.

By 200mhz I didn't mean that's the only thing you can achieve. I mean if you want it OC'd to 3.0 that's what you could do. But I have OC'd on stock AMD coolers, The Sempron I had was running @ 1.8 ghz. But I could successfully achieve 2.0 ghz on a stock cooler. Meaning that I cant go crazy and bump it to 3.0 on a stock cooler. My system would become unstable if I went to 2.5 :|. But if you're planning to nudge it up to a certain speed, then you can use a stock cooler for that. But then again, I dont think the clock rate matters, I think its the other factors that the CPU has to make up the power.

And the Cache thing, I'm wrong then since you're stating that AMD and Intel have different Core Architecture. I never knew that actually. I just assumed that they had the same core style, which would be unlikely come to think of it.

Intel used to change their sockets alot. They stopped doing that so I guess I used the wrong reference here. But even though the MSI has more pci-e slots than needed and 1 pci slot, you can still overclock with its tools. My mobo came with some turbo button which I could never figure out how to use. But on multiple review sites (like tomshardware), people had an easier time overclocking with one of those AMD motherboards/AMD tool downloads. But im not sure with your ASUS mobo (I <3 ASUS on their motherboard side), the OP will need to three-way SLI. If he has the money to, then sure he can get that one.

With the GPU, I dont see how they function in 2 completely different ways. They are still Graphics cards right? They still let you play games at max settings right? I now know that clock speed and memory wont make a difference (Even though memory still does past 1GB, trust me. It does.) But I wasint trying to imply that memory makes the whole difference of what has power and what does not. Unless they use different transistor types, different stream processor types and overall different methods of performance, they still preform the same function.

But now on your last statement about which are the better cpu's, unless you're playing GTA IV, I have not really noticed any difference's between the CPU power on programs/games. Tehe, I remember playing crysis on my geforce 8400gs with my sempron on medium settings without shader, and I hit 40 fps at the lowest res. Of course if you go particle crazy, then thats when the more higher powered CPU comes in. But AMD does not really differ from Intel in Performance range. Sure the Intel will always be better, but unless your strictly benchmarking between the 2, either processor can do the job.

But, aslong as it's in the same performance range (I dont think that ATi I linked you to would cut it now, nor the AMD), the price wont matter much. Unless if its that cheap that the parts overheat/break/weardown too easily, but that doesn't happen often. If you get above 60 fps in any game, its by all means fine with me. Seeing as anything past 200 fps is just the same as 60 fps.

But thank god you keep't your cool through my fail-ness and didn't rage at me throwing insults left and right on stating how I know nothing about computers. ;)

But really, if something went wrong with the OP and it turns out he wont have that bit of the budget, at-least he has something to reference to.

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Re: Dell inspiron 530s upgrade
« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2010, 10:15:24 AM »
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Re: Dell inspiron 530s upgrade
« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2010, 11:11:54 AM »
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hrm.... I went with your suggestion Xrain and upgraded the parts to the ones you listed. Price went up from 1000$ to 1300$.
The Graphics Card.....I am going with this one. Alot smaller. Cheaper. And seems efficient since it is the 6xxxx series.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102908

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Re: Dell inspiron 530s upgrade
« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2010, 02:16:45 PM »
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hrm.... I went with your suggestion Xrain and upgraded the parts to the ones you listed. Price went up from 1000$ to 1300$.
The Graphics Card.....I am going with this one. Alot smaller. Cheaper. And seems efficient since it is the 6xxxx series.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102908

That might actually be a smart move, though AMD decided to rename their products so now the 6870 is the successor to the 5770, and the not-yet-released 6970 will be the successor to the 5870, going with a cheaper gpu could actually be beneficial since AMD and Nvidia are set to release a whole slog of new hardware at the end of this year, things are going to change significantly. That card should allow you to play all the current games maximum graphics. And going with a mid-range card will prevent the some of the upgrade blues when they release their new cards and you find out the one you just bough dropped in price a couple hundred dollars, since your card is economical already.

Here is a review of the card if you would like to see what kind of fps and power consumption you could expect.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2010/10/22/ati-radeon-hd-6870-review/9

Dangit lol, all this talk of computer upgrades makes me want to do some upgrading... :P

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With the GPU, I dont see how they function in 2 completely different ways. They are still Graphics cards right? They still let you play games at max settings right? I now know that clock speed and memory wont make a difference (Even though memory still does past 1GB, trust me. It does.) But I wasint trying to imply that memory makes the whole difference of what has power and what does not. Unless they use different transistor types, different stream processor types and overall different methods of performance, they still preform the same function.

They do perform the same function, but methods they use to perform that function is very different. AMD is going with the "whole heap of cheap shader processors" by using a thousand or so shader processors. While Nvidia is going the route of "A few very powerful Cuda Units" by using a couple hundred of them. Because of this the way they interact to clock speed changes and amounts of memory differs enough that you cant do direct comparisons of clock speed and memory amounts across camps.


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But thank god you keep't your cool through my fail-ness and didn't rage at me throwing insults left and right on stating how I know nothing about computers. ;)

Lol no problem, flame wars generally don't help anyone, so I do my best to avoid them, and if I ever have to resort to insulting your computing ability that's a big fail on my part since if I have to do that It means I don't have any intelligent combacks and am just trying to protect my ego.
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Re: Dell inspiron 530s upgrade
« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2010, 08:51:12 PM »
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Here are the specs which I decided to use on my new computer since the one I am using now just fucking exploded on me.

Computer case
Thermaltake V9 BlacX Edition Gaming Chassis Mid Tower Steel Computer Case BlacX Top Mounted Dual HDD Docking Stations
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133182

Motherboard
ASUS P6X58D Premium LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131614

CPU
Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115211

Heat Sink & Fan
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-G1 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long life sleeve CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065

GPU
XFX HD-685X-ZNFC Radeon HD 6850 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150505

RAM
CORSAIR DOMINATOR 12GB (3 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMP12GX3M3A1600C9
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145321

Hard Drive
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185


PSU
CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006

Parts which are going in from my old computer
The DVD drive, Card reader, and the wireless Internet thingy.

Software
Windows 7 Premium OEM
ESET NOD32 Internet v4


TOTAL PRICE - $1,674.45

I just want to make sure everything works with each other. Got any suggestions please reply.
THIS IS PRETTY MUCH MY FINAL DECISION I NEED SOMEONE TO VERIFY THAT EACH PART WILL WORK WITH EACH OTHER.
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Re: Dell inspiron 530s upgrade
« Reply #29 on: November 22, 2010, 01:01:44 AM »
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Here are the specs which I decided to use on my new computer since the one I am using now just fucking exploded on me.
....Specs:....

i cant reccommend buying software already on computer
are you building or is it prebuilt
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