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Prox:
--- Quote from: Sabb on February 19, 2014, 09:21:42 AM ---I don't know why I have to restate this.
1:01 PM - Sabb: this isnt even a matter of politics
1:01 PM - Lithuanian pride world wide!: a lot of it is
1:01 PM - Sabb: you dont even know how involved i am with that anyways however?
1:01 PM - Sabb: i dont need to be a politician to have an opinion i this
1:01 PM - Sabb: it effects politics
1:01 PM - Sabb: it is not
1:01 PM - Sabb: politics
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It is related with politics more then you think which is why I suggested for you to spend some time on such topics.
--- Quote from: Sabb on February 19, 2014, 09:21:42 AM ---It's annoying that you think your opinion's above everyone's because you browse /pol/ and are incredibly well informed.
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Is it just me or are your views and assumptions are preventing you from reading and understanding what I'm saying? I've already mentioned twice that /pol/ isn't the only place I ever go to, there are plenty of other sites that I visit like RussiaToday or telegraph or even CNN, youtube is also bretty gud.
--- Quote from: Sabb on February 19, 2014, 09:21:42 AM ---However nothing I've touched requires me to spend hours of research as it's based on opinion which doesn't really need a lot of background information. That and I'm addressing flaws in your arguments, is all. Nothing political.
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You are so wrong. Pretty much everything requires background information, the more the better.
--- Quote from: Sabb on February 19, 2014, 09:21:42 AM ---Guess what, time is supporting change for those traditions just as time created them. Slowly, people push for it to change and then in one way or another something does change.
Explain with good reason as to how changing any of the traditions mentioned in this thread is a step back and not forward aside from the fact that it's because it's change.
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I'm assuming you're referring to the LGBT "values". Well, first things first, marriage is a religious ritual and I doubt anyone has a right to overwrite religion. Then the whole point of marriage is basically to create a family and to have kids and we all know that homosexuals can't have kids therefore what's the point of marriage? If two homosexuals like each other then they can live together, why is it so necessary for them to have marriage?
Then we have the trans gender people, however they're pretty much the same as homosexuals when it comes to having kids so same thing can be applied to them, although I think that banning surgeries which change your gender would ultimately the best choice as there is absolutely nothing good that comes out of it. I mean, look at the marriage right now, in some countries like in USA for example it's a disaster so what exactly makes you think that adding more "progressive" ideas will make it any better? And overall if you look at how people are like today then I'm not so sure if you could say that the society is heading the right way, or at least that's what it looks like to me. You don't have to agree with any of this and I don't expect you too, I'm just simply stating my opinion on the subject.
Also keep in mind that nowadays television, movies, the Internet and social networks have an incredibly significant influence to everyone. Knowing that things like these are usually owned by the state it is only logical to think that such things may be used for promoting certain agendas, anything from war propaganda to LGBT "values". I mean have you not noticed how the western media tries to distort Russia's law against homosexual propaganda to minors calling it "Anti-gay"? Do you think they're doing it because they really care about LGBT rights? If true then how come you never really see any reports about Saudi Arabia putting homosexuals to jail just because they're homosexuals? How come you never hear about discrimination of homosexuals in many African countries, even Egypt? Why doesn't the media or those LGBT activist groups ever try to promote this in Israel? Even such topics as LGBT rights require knowing some political background.
--- Quote from: Sabb on February 19, 2014, 09:21:42 AM ---(sounds like you're saying anyone who abuses marriage is a degenerate)
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Abusing the marriage is a form degeneracy but I don't think that it is enough to make a person a degenerate.
--- Quote from: Sabb on February 19, 2014, 09:21:42 AM ---
(if you already knew what the word meant then this is without a doubt labelling two groups of people as degenerates)
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Yeah, way to quote out of context.
--- Quote from: Prox on February 18, 2014, 12:35:44 PM ---The term degeneracy is used to refer at certain activities or values for example gay marriage or those kind of MLP autists who photoshop themselves with ponies(for God's sake I'm just using this as an example don't get all mad about it).
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--- Quote from: Sabb on February 19, 2014, 09:21:42 AM ---We get it, you spend a lot of time on /pol/. Really though, you think that all politicians are open and understanding of all other ideas just because they're maybe informed?
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This is the third time you say the same thing even when I specifically told you that it's not the case, in fact I don't even spend a lot of time on /pol/. Are you seriously that desperate?
And obviously not all politicians are like that, in fact there's probably really only a small minority of politicians who are open and understanding of other ideas.
--- Quote from: Sabb on February 19, 2014, 09:21:42 AM ---Speaking of which when I asked you about morals you really had no mention about the care of others or equality or respect for others in your definition. I guess other people just don't matter, right?
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--- Quote from: Prox on February 18, 2014, 05:50:46 AM ---Now what are the morals and values for me? Well I probably won't list everything but I'll try to mention a few important ones that will come to my mind: nationalism, love, real quality, friendship, a lot of morals can also usually be found in religion which teaches people to respect each other and treat others as they themselves want to be treated
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I made a typo, when I said quality I meant so say equality. Also just to reassure you there are no disputing that care of others and respect for others are values.
--- Quote from: Sabb on February 19, 2014, 09:21:42 AM ---Reread the last sentence of my last post. I said I could describe you as a degenerate if I were to use the word as you seem to. In other words I can't relate to your opinion or lifestyle.
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Sabb pls
--- Quote from: ursus on February 19, 2014, 10:43:44 AM ---
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Sabb:
--- Quote from: Prox on February 19, 2014, 10:55:09 AM ---It is related with politics more then you think which is why I suggested for you to spend some time on such topics.
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There's no more to discuss here. I've said too many times that what we're talking about isn't directly political.
--- Quote from: Prox on February 19, 2014, 10:55:09 AM ---Is it just me or are your views and assumptions are preventing you from reading and understanding what I'm saying? I've already mentioned twice that /pol/ isn't the only place I ever go to, there are plenty of other sites that I visit like RussiaToday or telegraph or even CNN, youtube is also bretty gud.
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=define+sarcasm
I do not think /pol/ is your only source of information.
--- Quote from: Prox on February 19, 2014, 10:55:09 AM ---I'm assuming you're referring to the LGBT "values". Well, first things first, marriage is a religious ritual and I doubt anyone has a right to overwrite religion. Then the whole point of marriage is basically to create a family and to have kids and we all know that homosexuals can't have kids therefore what's the point of marriage? If two homosexuals like each other then they can live together, why is it so necessary for them to have marriage?
Then we have the trans gender people, however they're pretty much the same as homosexuals when it comes to having kids so same thing can be applied to them, although I think that banning surgeries which change your gender would ultimately the best choice as there is absolutely nothing good that comes out of it. I mean, look at the marriage right now, in some countries like in USA for example it's a disaster so what exactly makes you think that adding more "progressive" ideas will make it any better? And overall if you look at how people are like today then I'm not so sure if you could say that the society is heading the right way, or at least that's what it looks like to me. You don't have to agree with any of this and I don't expect you too, I'm just simply stating my opinion on the subject.
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Marriage is actually now just as much if not more simply for legalities. For example, people with no religious values certainly can and do get married. Notice that the definition (from the Oxford dictionary) doesn't even mention religion. In fact...
Adoption. If a husband or wife in a traditional marriage is infertile does that mean they shouldn't get married since they can't have children of their own? The only purpose of marriage isn't to raise a family. I know many married couples who don't ever want children including one of my neighbours.
Why is it necessary for someone like you to have marriage? You can like a woman and live with her too, you don't have to marry her. It's about equality.
It's all about treating people with respect, decency, and improving the lives of others. Your values of marriage or life or anything don't have to change to adapt to them. Hell, you don't even have to acknowledge them, but at least let them live equally and allow them to have their own values because it really doesn't affect you. I believe this is also relevant to the gender issue which is why I'm not entirely opposed to the idea of other genders, though I still don't support it either.
Cake Faice:
Going back ontopic:
"Hey guise, I was born with a male with a penis. Totally natural, right? Even though I'm 100% genetically a man, I have this totally normal mindset where I think I was meant to be a girl, lemme chop it off and magically swap to one! I'm normal, right?".
Ursus, Sabb, whoever, no matter how much you try to argue and refute my point, being a transgender isn't, and will never be normal. For god's sake, we were born with the gender identify organs we have naturally, and to claim something as stupid as "I'm genderfluid, I swap back and forth lelelel", it's astonishing how much of this pink agenda shit is being forced on society today, because people can't have normal lives, instead have to share with the world about what they think they are.
Sabb:
--- Quote from: Cake Faice on February 19, 2014, 12:51:27 PM ---Going back ontopic:
"Hey guise, I was born with a male with a penis. Totally natural, right? Even though I'm 100% genetically a man, I have this totally normal mindset where I think I was meant to be a girl, lemme chop it off and magically swap to one! I'm normal, right?".
Ursus, Sabb, whoever, no matter how much you try to argue and refute my point, being a transgender isn't, and will never be normal/accepted. For god's sake, we were born with the gender identify organs we have naturally, and to claim something as stupid as "I'm genderfluid, I swap back and forth lelelel", it's astonishing how much of this pink agenda shit is being forced on society today, because people can't have normal lives, instead have to share with the world about what they think they are.
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I never said it's normal nor do I think it is or will ever be. Biologically it's certainly abnormal. That doesn't mean it can't be accepted. I see no harm in allowing them freedom of their own sexual orientation and personal practices so long as it doesn't harm anyone or anything else.
Unless you're afraid you'll hook up a chick with a dick. In which case, better luck next time skippy.
ursus:
--- Quote from: Cake Faice on February 19, 2014, 12:51:27 PM ---"Hey guise, I was born with a male with a penis. Totally natural, right?
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What does this even mean? Please check the syntax of your posts in the future.
--- Quote from: Cake Faice on February 19, 2014, 12:51:27 PM ---Even though I'm 100% genetically a man, I have this totally normal mindset where I think I was meant to be a girl, lemme chop it off and magically swap to one! I'm normal, right?".
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I don't think you understand how gender psychology actually works. Are you just making up this imaginary narrative as you go along based on what you've heard? Have you actually spoken to any transgender people rather than hearing stories on news sites that you subscribe to because they align closely with your political views? The extent to which you all ignore your own confirmation bias is astounding.
--- Quote from: Cake Faice on February 19, 2014, 12:51:27 PM ---Ursus, Sabb, whoever, no matter how much you try to argue and refute my point, being a transgender isn't, and will never be normal/accepted.
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On whose authority? Do you speak for the entire human race, from which you conveniently exclude people you don't like? You only think that transgender people won't be accepted because you refuse to listen to anyone who does. (Again, reminding you that they are people, not an abstract concept that you can accept or deny.)
--- Quote from: Cake Faice on February 19, 2014, 12:51:27 PM ---For god's sake, we were born with the gender identify organs we have naturally,
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English.
--- Quote from: Cake Faice on February 19, 2014, 12:51:27 PM ---and to claim something as stupid as "I'm genderfluid, I swap back and forth lelelel",
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This isn't even an argument on your part. It's just you complaining about how stupid you think it is. Are you just trying to spam the thread or something?
--- Quote from: Cake Faice on February 19, 2014, 12:51:27 PM ---it's astonishing how much of this pink agenda shit is being forced on society today,
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What's a pink agenda? What actions of yours are being forced because of it? The only thing in your life that's different because of this is you choosing to vehemently attack their rights and identities with zero direct provocation.
Also, what is the content of the agenda itself, since you're so angry about it? Do you think that they're trying to convince people to acknowledge their humanity and afford them basic courtesy and respect for some sinister purpose? Do you think that transgender people make up their entire lives and identities just so an online news site they have no stake in can profit from it? Where are these imaginary evil motives you're referring to?
--- Quote from: Cake Faice on February 19, 2014, 12:51:27 PM ---because people can't have normal lives, instead have to share with the world about what they think they are.
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Yes. They want to have normal lives. They would like nothing better than to see absolutely no reason to talk to you about their problems or their identity. You and them seem to want the same thing.
This is not the case because trans people, as it stands, have to live their lives in constant fear of physical abuse, murder, verbal and emotional abuse from their family and even psychologists/therapists. It doesn't help that there are people who refuse to even acknowledge them or these fears because they disagree with their entire existence.
There's quite a sizable amount of these people. Do you believe they're all choosing to completely fabricate the exact same types of experiences across the world, independently of one another, just to satisfy a desire for attention? Where is the logic in this? I've offered you detailed and sound explanations for why they're speaking out and you're still insisting that it's all for some kind of "agenda."
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