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Prox:
--- Quote from: Frank on February 18, 2014, 12:01:52 PM ---For thousands of years, adult males married girls around 13yo, why should we change that if it's alright.
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Do you seriously think that's a good argument against preserving traditional values?
--- Quote from: ursus on February 18, 2014, 08:40:06 AM ---Also, on a side note, would you say that they're a form of degeneracy as well? Just curious.
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The term degeneracy is used to refer at certain activities or values for example gay marriage or those kind of MLP autists who photoshop themselves with ponies(for God's sake I'm just using this as an example don't get all mad about it). However you can call other people or jews degenerates. Now do I think that jews are degenerates? No. If you take a look at Israel and the jews who live there, they definitely don't seem degenerative. In fact as far as I know gay marriage isn't legalized in Israel and nobody in the governments are really trying to change that, they also are against illegal immigration, they also don't like the idea of mixing with other cultures too. Funny thing is that a lot of Israelis would probably agree with my views on marriage, multiculturalism and traditional values much more then they would agree with you, so hey, if you people want to fight for equality then I could definitely say that Israel needs your help lol. Now why the jews push for exactly the opposite things in Europe and America is not something I can answer to you, I could only speculate about it.
--- Quote from: Sabb on February 18, 2014, 12:11:01 PM ---About marriage: the point is that marriage is already abused by those who have rights to marry. Honestly I see no good reason that allowing same sex marriage would demean it aside from because a book tells you so. You said in the your post about morals that people need to make their own decisions and that is why I don't allow a text to determine my judgement.
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The current disintegration of marriage and the increase of divorces was ultimately a result of people failing to understand the importance of traditional values, now what caused this? Well it really is difficult to explain, I really advise you to invest some time into political things(they don't have to be LGBT related), to browse Internet for a bit, that way you would encounter all sorts of opinions and articles about various of political topics, that way it would be much more easier for us to understand each other.
--- Quote from: Sabb on February 18, 2014, 12:11:01 PM ---For the record I find it ironic that you've dismissed points made by ursus because he uses tumblr as a source of information whilst your images are fro funnyjunk as it seems.
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Wait, what? Which picture that I posted was from funnyjunk? I don't think you can find pictures like this on funny junk.
Sabb:
--- Quote from: Prox on February 18, 2014, 12:35:44 PM ---Do you seriously think that's a good argument against preserving traditional values?
The term degeneracy is used to refer at certain activities or values for example gay marriage or those kind of MLP autists who photoshop themselves with ponies(for God's sake I'm just using this as an example don't get all mad about it). However you can call other people or jews degenerates. Now do I think that jews are degenerates? No. If you take a look at Israel and the jews who live there, they definitely don't seem degenerative. In fact as far as I know gay marriage isn't legalized in Israel and nobody in the governments are really trying to change that, they also are against illegal immigration, they also don't like the idea of mixing with other cultures too. Funny thing is that a lot of Israelis would probably agree with my views on marriage, multiculturalism and traditional values much more then they would agree with you, so hey, if you people want to fight for equality then I could definitely say that Israel needs your help lol. Now why the jews push for exactly the opposite things in Europe and America is not something I can answer to you, I could only speculate about it.
The current disintegration of marriage and the increase of divorces was ultimately a result of people failing to understand the importance of traditional values, now what caused this? Well it really is difficult to explain, I really advise you to invest some time into political things(they don't have to be LGBT related), to browse Internet for a bit, that way you would encounter all sorts of opinions and articles about various of political topics, that way it would be much more easier for us to understand each other.
Wait, what? Which picture that I posted was from funnyjunk? I don't think you can find pictures like this on funny junk.
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Sorry, forgot I have to browse /pol/ to have a legitimate opinion.
--- Quote from: Prox on February 18, 2014, 12:35:44 PM ---The current disintegration of marriage and the increase of divorces was ultimately a result of people failing to understand the importance of traditional values, now what caused this? Well it really is difficult to explain
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The point being made is that tradition changes and very valid points have been made by several people that explain that just because a tradition exists doesn't mean that it's right or that there are no better alternatives.
ursus actually made a pretty strong point in my opinion:
--- Quote from: ursus on February 17, 2014, 10:20:48 AM ---How is it not? "Tradition" is just something that's used to justify a custom without having to back it up logically.
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Which you then disregarded entirely with nothing but this lovely constructive and elaborating meme contribution:
--- Quote from: Prox on February 18, 2014, 12:35:44 PM ---Wait, what? Which picture that I posted was from funnyjunk? I don't think you can find pictures like this on funny junk.
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A few of them in your post were, though you may have found it on something else.
I believe this is necessary.
Degenerate:
Either you're using the word lightly or you have a very strong dislike for their practices but either way it's extremely insulting, if you weren't aware.
Just because you don't understand their way of living or can relate to it (using the fact that it deters from tradition to support your ideas and opinions suggests this) doesn't mean they're degenerates. Frankly, if I were to use the word that way I'd have to describe you as a degenerate.
Prox:
--- Quote from: Sabb on February 18, 2014, 01:26:46 PM ---Sorry, forgot I have to browse /pol/ to have a legitimate opinion.
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You don't have to be upset. I mean, do you seriously think that you can put up an even discussion with me on political topics when you aren't nearly as much interested in politics as I am? Also, /pol/ isn't the Internet, /pol/ is just one board on 4chan which is equal for 1 opinion, although there's plenty of discussions(if you can call it like that) there with people who share different ideas, but still that doesn't really change anything. When I suggested to browse Internet for political topics that is what I actually meant, I could have easily suggested for you to browse /pol/, but that's not the right thing to do.
--- Quote from: Sabb on February 18, 2014, 01:26:46 PM ---The point being made is that tradition changes and very valid points have been made by several people that explain that just because a tradition exists doesn't mean that it's right or that there are no better alternatives.
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The alternatives should be an improvement over traditional values, not a step back. There's plenty of things indicating that the so called "progressive" society isn't really progressing anywhere, but that's a different topic.
--- Quote ---How is it not? "Tradition" is just something that's used to justify a custom without having to back it up logically.
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Traditions are usually backed up by time, by that I mean those traditions were used for a long time and proved themselves to be effective. If you want to change or improve them then I believe there's always room for improvement but as I've said earlier it must be a step forward for the society as a whole.
--- Quote from: Sabb on February 18, 2014, 01:26:46 PM ---A few of them in your post were, though you may have found it on something else.
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I don't see a typical funnyjunk logo on any of those, I'm afraid you're going to have to show them to me.
--- Quote from: Sabb on February 18, 2014, 01:26:46 PM ---I believe this is necessary.
Degenerate:
Either you're using the word lightly or you have a very strong dislike for their practices but either way it's extremely insulting, if you weren't aware.
Just because you don't understand their way of living or can relate to it (using the fact that it deters from tradition to support your ideas and opinions suggests this) doesn't mean they're degenerates. Frankly, if I were to use the word that way I'd have to describe you as a degenerate.
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I do sometimes use that world lightly sometimes I use it to it's full extent but not once in this thread I have referred to any group of individuals as degenerates. Also what exactly makes you think that I don't understand their way of living? Has it ever occurred to you that after being interested in political issues I may, just may have an understanding of their way of living? Has it ever occurred to you that I might in fact have better understanding of their way of living? Because things like these, that my opponent may know better on the topic then I do, do occur to my head when I'm debating someone who shares different ideas then I do. Also I'm neither immoral nor corrupt, I don't see how the word "degenerate" would apply to me anymore then it would to you.
Sabb:
--- Quote from: Prox on February 19, 2014, 06:01:32 AM ---You don't have to be upset. I mean, do you seriously think that you can put up an even discussion with me on political topics when you aren't nearly as much interested in politics as I am? Also, /pol/ isn't the Internet, /pol/ is just one board on 4chan which is equal for 1 opinion, although there's plenty of discussions(if you can call it like that) there with people who share different ideas, but still that doesn't really change anything. When I suggested to browse Internet for political topics that is what I actually meant, I could have easily suggested for you to browse /pol/, but that's not the right thing to do.
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You're clearly very unfamiliar with sarcasm.
I don't know why I have to restate this.
1:01 PM - Sabb: this isnt even a matter of politics
1:01 PM - Lithuanian pride world wide!: a lot of it is
1:01 PM - Sabb: you dont even know how involved i am with that anyways however?
1:01 PM - Sabb: i dont need to be a politician to have an opinion i this
1:01 PM - Sabb: it effects politics
1:01 PM - Sabb: it is not
1:01 PM - Sabb: politics
It's annoying that you think your opinion's above everyone's because you browse /pol/ and are incredibly well informed. If you've noticed I haven't really touched anything political in this thread such as the discussion on Jews, because I don't feel I'm well enough informed to formulate an opinion I'd stand strong by, nor do I have the interest in spending hours researching all of these matters. However nothing I've touched requires me to spend hours of research as it's based on opinion which doesn't really need a lot of background information. That and I'm addressing flaws in your arguments, is all. Nothing political.
Explain with good reason as to how changing any of the traditions mentioned in this thread is a step back and not forward aside from the fact that it's because it's change.
Guess what, time is supporting change for those traditions just as time created them. Slowly, people push for it to change and then in one way or another something does change.
Google image search them.
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--- Quote from: Prox on February 15, 2014, 04:58:03 AM ---You might say that if I don't like it I shouldn't care especially since I don't use Facebook but the thing is that shit like this is not going to stop here it will spread further just like LGBT "values" are right now, not to mention that it's only a matter of time until liberals think of a new form of degeneracy to spread around.
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(I may be misunderstanding this but it sounds like you're referring to LGBT rights as degeneracy)
--- Quote from: Prox on February 18, 2014, 11:18:52 AM ---The fact that people are now viewing marriage as a way to gain money, publicity and attention and the fact that the divorce race has dramatically increased in like the last century(especially in USA) is clearly a sign of moral degeneracy. You have to pretty stupid to disagree with that. Also 1600s? Try 1900s.
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(sounds like you're saying anyone who abuses marriage is a degenerate)
--- Quote from: Prox on February 18, 2014, 12:35:44 PM ---The term degeneracy is used to refer at certain activities or values for example gay marriage or those kind of MLP autists who photoshop themselves with ponies
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(if you already knew what the word meant then this is without a doubt labelling two groups of people as degenerates)
We get it, you spend a lot of time on /pol/. Really though, you think that all politicians are open and understanding of all other ideas just because they're maybe informed? No. It seems to me that you don't understand anyone else's way of life or at least can't sympathize with them.
Speaking of which when I asked you about morals you really had no mention about the care of others or equality or respect for others in your definition. I guess other people just don't matter, right?
Reread the last sentence of my last post. I said I could describe you as a degenerate if I were to use the word as you seem to. In other words I can't relate to your opinion or lifestyle.
ursus:
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