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Frank:
”respect
each other and treat others as they themselves
want to be treated"
Hehehe... Funny.
Sabb:
--- Quote from: Prox on February 18, 2014, 05:50:46 AM ---Which basically means to abolish all standards essentially. If some man wears a dress or paints his house ugly as you say then he should be ready to face criticism and humiliation by the public. Why? Because he's not living up the moral standards of our society. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against change and new things, I welcome them, but those new things have to be decent and share good values as opposed to your example of a man wearing a dress or painting their house ugly, there is no need to kill or hurt them, but when they get harassed by others they shouldn't be surprised why. Basically we should only support change that's good and enriches our culture as opposed to moving it backwards.
It really is disappointing to see people nowadays treating our values upon which entire nations were built like dirt.
Now I'm not saying that other groups have to bow down to us, they just shouldn't expect special treatment and make such a big deal out of every little thing that goes wrong to them and yell "discrimination!". Those minority groups should also respect our culture and they shouldn't have anymore rights in changing our culture then we do because right now it is the minorities that are in the lead, at least in the so called "Western world". The needs of many outweigh the needs of the few.
Now what are the morals and values for me? Well I probably won't list everything but I'll try to mention a few important ones that will come to my mind: nationalism, love, real quality, friendship, a lot of morals can also usually be found in religion which teaches people to respect each other and treat others as they themselves want to be treated etc., a sense of pride and dignity, respect for marriage and family values, helpfulness, wanting to positively contribute to the society, being proud and respecting your culture and heritage. I'd probably could think of more but I think it's good enough for the sake of this argument. It also scares me how some people these days are referring to religion as bigoted or full of hate, I'm not a hard core Catholic but I just cannot comprehend how any sane individual can actually think so.
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Then wouldn't it be suitable for me to remove all your posts form this thread since your opinions becoming a minority, as in most people posting now are disagree with a lot of your views (not necessarily the ones about gender options). Just like you feel that the LGBT community should have no say since they're a minority group, maybe I feel the same about you and that your opinion should be disregarded and to be never noted.
Funny thing though is that you're ignoring a key point where more and more people who aren't a part of the LGBT community are in support of them and their views. That means the majority of people are starting to accept other's views and personal practices, shaming them less and raising their quality of living overall. It's not a minority if they're in the lead. They're clearly well supported, and in my opinion for good reason. This gives these people pride and dignity. Because they want change for themselves doesn't mean they don't respect others or their opinions.
Respect for marriage?
http://weddings.about.com/cs/justforfun/a/ShortCelebWeds.htm
Right.
Ignoring the fact that it's from about.com, it's become incredibly popular for marriage to be used for a variety of things like publicity, money, etc essentially nothing that I believe marriage is intended for. Sorry but you're not in the 1600s, marriage is already very different. This is spreading to another debate, but I don't see why marriage can't be simply for two individuals of any race, gender, etc who want such a commitment. You say you value love for your morals, so why would you exclude those who experience love differently?
Family values? That's great. Family's important.
Zach Wahls Speaks About Family
Do take the time to watch that. Some really good points are made and in my opinion. It's people, families, like that which makes me so confident in my beliefs in this regard.
Prox:
--- Quote from: ursus on February 18, 2014, 08:40:06 AM ---Actually, I'd like to be educated on this. Please explain, if you are able, how Jews as an entire nation of people and as a race are all guilty of oppressing others. I'm happy to learn. Also, on a side note, would you say that they're a form of degeneracy as well? Just curious.
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Jews basically kicked out Palestinians out of their own nation and right now at the very moment we speak the Palestinians are being treated like cattle. They also have use chemical weapons on them as well(white phosphorous).
Then there's Iran which is under constant threat by Israel. Israel has been saying that Iran is a year or two away from achieving a nuclear weapon for the last few decades, not to mention that Israel has plenty of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons. They're trying their hardest to steer USA and the world in yet another war, they also almost succeeded at brining USA to a war against Syria, but thank God that plan has crashed and burned, although Syria is in a very bad shape at the moment.
Then there's also constant jewish support for mass emigration for Europe And USA meanwhile in Israel they preach for exactly the opposite - no immigration and no intermarriage.
Mandatory article dump commencing:Spoiler (click to show/hide)Jewish hostility to Christians: the prejudice no one ever writes about
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100049072/jewish-hostility-to-christians-the-prejudice-no-one-ever-writes-about/
Destination unknown: Israel to deport thousands of African migrants
http://rt.com/news/israel-migrants-africa-deportations-214/
Danny Danon: Send African migrants to Australia
http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Danny-Danon-Send-African-migrants-to-Australia
Israel kicks out migrants – by changing their nationality and sending them to another country
http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2012/08/18/sudanese-asylum-seekers-issued-with-new-nationalities-allowing-removal-from-israel/
3rd state agrees to take Israel's Eritrean migrants
http://www.jpost.com/National-News/3rd-state-agrees-to-take-Israels-Eritrean-migrants-315161
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/06/jewish-leaders-petition-congress-syriaIsrael shills edition:Spoiler (click to show/hide)Esc and Ctrl: The Guardian Investigates Israeli Internet Hasbara
http://mondoweiss.net/2011/10/esc-and-ctrl-the-guardian-investigates-israeli-internet-hasbara.html
Hasbara Spam Alert
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/09/israel-foreign-ministry-media
The Internet: Israel's New PR Battlefield
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-rise-of-digital-diplomacy-could-be-changing-israels-media-image/
Israel Invests Millions in Drive for Elite 'Cyber Warriors'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/9648820/Israel-invests-millions-in-drive-for-elite-cyber-warriors.html
Israel Recruits "Army of Bloggers" to Combat Anti-Zionist Web Sites
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/israel-recruits-army-of-bloggers-to-combat-anti-zionist-web-sites-1.268393
Israel to Hire Pro-Government Tweeters and Facebookers
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57598577-93/israel-to-hire-pro-government-tweeters-and-facebookers/
Israel Targets U.S. Lad Mag Market
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6221714.stm
Israeli Government to Recruit Students as Undercover Agents on Social Media
http://rt.com/news/israel-recruit-students-undercover-509/
Israeli Students to Get $2,000 to Spread State Propaganda on Facebook
http://electronicintifada.net/comment/2626
Prime Minister's Office Recruiting Students to Wage Online Hasbara Battles
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.541142
Twitterers Paid to Spread Israeli Propaganda
http://www.globalresearch.ca/internet-warfare-team-unveiled/14465
Top lel of the day: http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/1.566021
Check out this lovely person: http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2010/10/gentiles-exist-only-to-serve-jews-rabbi-ovadia-yosef-says-234.html
Mandatory image dump commencing:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Hmmm, but why don't people ever hear about this? Maybe it has something to do with this? Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Lol, there's literally hundreds if not thousands of articles and videos all across the world about this, you just have to be willing to spend your time on it.
--- Quote from: Frank on February 18, 2014, 09:10:34 AM ---”respect
each other and treat others as they themselves
want to be treated"
Hehehe... Funny.
--- End quote ---
Yes, I'm sure those groups who push for tolerance are very tolerant to those who disagree with them and they never resort to name calling ever.
--- Quote from: Sabb on February 18, 2014, 10:02:01 AM ---Then wouldn't it be suitable for me to remove all your posts form this thread since your opinions becoming a minority, as in most people posting now are disagree with a lot of your views (not necessarily the ones about gender options). Just like you feel that the LGBT community should have no say since they're a minority group, maybe I feel the same about you and that your opinion should be disregarded and to be never noted.
--- End quote ---
Where in this thread I have ever said that the opinions of minorities should never be heard and noted? Also this is a forum where there aren't that much people involved relatively speaking besides it's not like I'm the only one who shares similar beliefs on these forums. I'm also not a minority, in here, and even in the entire world in general I'm sure that there are a lot of people who could agree with my ideas(not with all of them of course).
--- Quote from: Sabb on February 18, 2014, 10:02:01 AM ---Funny thing though is that you're ignoring a key point where more and more people who aren't a part of the LGBT community are in support of them and their views. That means the majority of people are starting to accept other's views and personal practices, shaming them less and raising their quality of living overall. It's not a minority if they're in the lead. They're clearly well supported, and in my opinion for good reason. This gives these people pride and dignity. Because they want change for themselves doesn't mean they don't respect others or their opinions.
--- End quote ---
Funny thing though, in European countries, Russia and in probably a few other big countries there is no push in the media for things like LGBT rights, but there is also no discrimination on them as well, meanwhile when you look at USA for example, there's lot of push for LGBT values in media, movies, social media. Gee I wonder why all of this "tolerance" is coming mainly from the west and people who live there seem to share those views more much more then your average Russian or European. Lol.
--- Quote from: Sabb on February 18, 2014, 10:02:01 AM ---Respect for marriage?
http://weddings.about.com/cs/justforfun/a/ShortCelebWeds.htm
Right.
Ignoring the fact that it's from about.com, it's become incredibly popular for marriage to be used for a variety of things like publicity, money, etc essentially nothing that I believe marriage is intended for. Sorry but you're not in the 1600s, marriage is already very different. This is spreading to another debate, but I don't see why marriage can't be simply for two individuals of any race, gender, etc who want such a commitment. You say you value love for your morals, so why would you exclude those who experience love differently?
--- End quote ---
The fact that people are now viewing marriage as a way to gain money, publicity and attention and the fact that the divorce race has dramatically increased in like the last century(especially in USA) is clearly a sign of moral degeneracy. You have to pretty stupid to disagree with that. Also 1600s? Try 1900s.
--- Quote from: Sabb on February 18, 2014, 10:02:01 AM ---Family values? That's great. Family's important.
Zach Wahls Speaks About Family
Do take the time to watch that. Some really good points are made and in my opinion. It's people, families, like that which makes me so confident in my beliefs in this regard.
--- End quote ---
That's great, now try this one:
What I'm saying by this is that there will always be people like in your video and situations like in my example. This thread is about gender(for the most part I guess) so if you'd like to discuss family values I suggest you to make a separate thread because it would require a separate discussion for it.
Frank:
For thousands of years, adult males married girls around 13yo, why should we change that if it's alright.
Sabb:
--- Quote from: Prox on February 18, 2014, 11:18:52 AM ---Jews basically kicked out Palestinians out of their own nation and right now at the very moment we speak the Palestinians are being treated like cattle. They also have use chemical weapons on them as well(white phosphorous).
Then there's Iran which is under constant threat by Israel. Israel has been saying that Iran is a year or two away from achieving a nuclear weapon for the last few decades, not to mention that Israel has plenty of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons. They're trying their hardest to steer USA and the world in yet another war, they also almost succeeded at brining USA to a war against Syria, but thank God that plan has crashed and burned, although Syria is in a very bad shape at the moment.
Then there's also constant jewish support for mass emigration for Europe And USA meanwhile in Israel they preach for exactly the opposite - no immigration and no intermarriage.
Mandatory article dump commencing:Spoiler (click to show/hide)Jewish hostility to Christians: the prejudice no one ever writes about
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100049072/jewish-hostility-to-christians-the-prejudice-no-one-ever-writes-about/
Destination unknown: Israel to deport thousands of African migrants
http://rt.com/news/israel-migrants-africa-deportations-214/
Danny Danon: Send African migrants to Australia
http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Danny-Danon-Send-African-migrants-to-Australia
Israel kicks out migrants – by changing their nationality and sending them to another country
http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2012/08/18/sudanese-asylum-seekers-issued-with-new-nationalities-allowing-removal-from-israel/
3rd state agrees to take Israel's Eritrean migrants
http://www.jpost.com/National-News/3rd-state-agrees-to-take-Israels-Eritrean-migrants-315161
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/06/jewish-leaders-petition-congress-syriaIsrael shills edition:Spoiler (click to show/hide)Esc and Ctrl: The Guardian Investigates Israeli Internet Hasbara
http://mondoweiss.net/2011/10/esc-and-ctrl-the-guardian-investigates-israeli-internet-hasbara.html
Hasbara Spam Alert
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/09/israel-foreign-ministry-media
The Internet: Israel's New PR Battlefield
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-rise-of-digital-diplomacy-could-be-changing-israels-media-image/
Israel Invests Millions in Drive for Elite 'Cyber Warriors'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/9648820/Israel-invests-millions-in-drive-for-elite-cyber-warriors.html
Israel Recruits "Army of Bloggers" to Combat Anti-Zionist Web Sites
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/israel-recruits-army-of-bloggers-to-combat-anti-zionist-web-sites-1.268393
Israel to Hire Pro-Government Tweeters and Facebookers
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57598577-93/israel-to-hire-pro-government-tweeters-and-facebookers/
Israel Targets U.S. Lad Mag Market
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6221714.stm
Israeli Government to Recruit Students as Undercover Agents on Social Media
http://rt.com/news/israel-recruit-students-undercover-509/
Israeli Students to Get $2,000 to Spread State Propaganda on Facebook
http://electronicintifada.net/comment/2626
Prime Minister's Office Recruiting Students to Wage Online Hasbara Battles
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.541142
Twitterers Paid to Spread Israeli Propaganda
http://www.globalresearch.ca/internet-warfare-team-unveiled/14465
Top lel of the day: http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/1.566021
Check out this lovely person: http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2010/10/gentiles-exist-only-to-serve-jews-rabbi-ovadia-yosef-says-234.html
Mandatory image dump commencing:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
[/img]
Hmmm, but why don't people ever hear about this? Maybe it has something to do with this? Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Lol, there's literally hundreds if not thousands of articles and videos all across the world about this, you just have to be willing to spend your time on it.
Yes, I'm sure those groups who push for tolerance are very tolerant to those who disagree with them and they never resort to name calling ever.
Where in this thread I have ever said that the opinions of minorities should never be heard and noted? Also this is a forum where there aren't that much people involved relatively speaking besides it's not like I'm the only one who shares similar beliefs on these forums. I'm also not a minority, in here, and even in the entire world in general I'm sure that there are a lot of people who could agree with my ideas(not with all of them of course).
Funny thing though, in European countries, Russia and in probably a few other big countries there is no push in the media for things like LGBT rights, but there is also no discrimination on them as well, meanwhile when you look at USA for example, there's lot of push for LGBT values in media, movies, social media. Gee I wonder why all of this "tolerance" is coming mainly from the west and people who live there seem to share those views more much more then your average Russian or European. Lol.
The fact that people are now viewing marriage as a way to gain money, publicity and attention and the fact that the divorce race has dramatically increased in like the last century(especially in USA) is clearly a sign of moral degeneracy. You have to pretty stupid to disagree with that. Also 1600s? Try 1900s.
That's great, now try this one:
What I'm saying by this is that there will always be people like in your video and situations like in my example. This thread is about gender(for the most part I guess) so if you'd like to discuss family values I suggest you to make a separate thread because it would require a separate discussion for it.
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About marriage: the point is that marriage is already abused by those who have rights to marry. Honestly I see no good reason that allowing same sex marriage would demean it aside from because a book tells you so. You said in the your post about morals that people need to make their own decisions and that is why I don't allow a text to determine my judgement.
--- Quote ---
--- Quote from: Prox on February 18, 2014, 11:18:52 AM ---Where in this thread I have ever said that the opinions of minorities should never be heard and noted?
--- End quote ---
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You've said several times that majority know you right and implied that therefore your opinion shouldn't be challenged.
I'm not going to quote and respond to everything you said as you missed the point of my post. I was relating how you described your moral standards to the LGBT community's movement and why maybe they should be supported.
About the last picture you shared however tragic that is it's certainly as likely if not more to happen in a household with parents not of the same gender as they have far less pressure on them.
Also it's not like the thread hasn't already deterred from the original post at one point or another. The reason I bring up these other seemingly unrelated things is because I can still relate it back to the topic. Again I'm getting an understanding of your morals and comparing it to what's been said.
For the record I find it ironic that you've dismissed points made by ursus because he uses tumblr as a source of information whilst your images are fro funnyjunk as it seems.
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