[Intelligent Discussion] Zimmerman Trial

[Samo]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernhard_Goetz - A similar case you guys might be interested in.

I would have probably done the same thing in that sort of situation (If I was being beaten).
The fuss being made about race is complete crap. The fact that the victim had drugs in his system is his own fault, though Zimmerman's doubts in the police probably led him to take action himself, which he shouldn't have done. Martin did attack first (Well that's what I've heard about the issue)

Whether Zimmerman got a short sentence or not doesn't really matter to me. Both are to be blamed. People really shouldn't be wasting everyone's time rioting over it. It's all ridiculous.

[Lazord]

I haven't followed this case very well. Can someone give me a rundown of what happened?

Basically, Neighborhood watchman (Zimmerman) was quite suspicious of a 17 year old African male (Trayvon) and he's been following him around for days after being specifically told not to. One day they get into a struggle and ended whereas Zimmerman ended up shooting Trayvon dead. Months later a court session on Zimmerman's case ends up being ruled not guilty after Zimmerman claimed on killing Trayvon in an act of self defense while others think differently.

And all of this eventually sparked a protest against the absurd ruling. (When I say absurd I mean it as in my opinion to the ruling)

[Osme]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernhard_Goetz - A similar case you guys might be interested in.

I would have probably done the same thing in that sort of situation (If I was being beaten).
The fuss being made about race is complete crap. The fact that the victim had drugs in his system is his own fault, though Zimmerman's doubts in the police probably led him to take action himself, which he shouldn't have done. Martin did attack first (Well that's what I've heard about the issue)

Whether Zimmerman got a short sentence or not doesn't really matter to me. Both are to be blamed. People really shouldn't be wasting everyone's time rioting over it. It's all ridiculous.

I dont know if race was a factor to Zimmerman, nor if the drugs were a factor. But the problem many people have is that he got away without any real legal repercussions for something that was at the very least, partly his fault. There was a lot of doubt as to how ZImmerman was actually beaten. He said his head was bashed repeatedly against the ground, yet his injuries were minimal. Its pretty clear to me at least, he exaggerated in order to further his plea. Martin did injure him, there is no doubt about that. But the appropriate response was hardly to kill him. Not only that, but the way Zimmerman was seemingly pleased and proud of what he did, certainly makes it seem as if it were a race issue, or that hes a psychopath (Yeah, the proper definition here. Thats unusual). A good number of people are also bothered by the tiny jury of six. They have every reason to be bothered, really.

[Cake Faice]

I dont know if race was a factor to Zimmerman, nor if the drugs were a factor. But the problem many people have is that he got away without any real legal repercussions for something that was at the very least, partly his fault. There was a lot of doubt as to how ZImmerman was actually beaten. He said his head was bashed repeatedly against the ground, yet his injuries were minimal.

err, I don't think his injuries were minimal. It goes to show that you can't randomly beat the shit out of strangers and expect nothing to happen in return.

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[Prox]

Not that I'm agreeing with the judgment entirely but would a good citizen use drugs and attack a police officer if he would be following him?

[Osme]

err, I don't think his injuries were minimal. It goes to show that you can't randomly beat the shit out of strangers and expect nothing to happen in return.

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A bloody nose and a few fairly minor abrasions on the head do not really indicate someone smashing your head into the cement with all their force multiple times with the intent of killing you. Martin deserved to be locked away, for sure. Hes no exemplary citizen. But the question is if he should have been killed for it. An attack need not turn into a death.

[Tezuni]

Btw, marijuana was found in Trayvon, but that doesn't make you aggressive. 

Also the doctor said zimmerman's wounds were 'superficial', meaning they were just scratches, nothing deep.

Zimmerman said trayvon beat his head '25 times' against the pavement.  Really??

[Prox]

A bloody nose and a few fairly minor abrasions on the head do not really indicate someone smashing your head into the cement with all their force multiple times with the intent of killing you. Martin deserved to be locked away, for sure. Hes no exemplary citizen. But the question is if he should have been killed for it. An attack need not turn into a death.

In a situation like that, when you are getting beat up you don't think as you would normally, usually one has to think very fast and the adrenaline rush makes it even harder to not act impulsively. It's not that I'm saying that this completely justifies the officer's actions but it should definitely be considered.

[Supertoaster]

I think it was manslaughter, not murder.

[Osme]

In a situation like that, when you are getting beat up you don't think as you would normally, usually one has to think very fast and the adrenaline rush makes it even harder to not act impulsively. It's not that I'm saying that this completely justifies the officer's actions but it should definitely be considered.

If it were simply fight/flight response to being attacked like that, there would be no doubt of innocence of a crime, as there was no intent nor neglect. My seeing of this is that there was evidently more to it then fight/flight. He seemed happy about the situation. Like a psychopath, he had no remorse. Personally, thats my biggest issue with the case.

[Cake Faice]

If it were simply fight/flight response to being attacked like that, there would be no doubt of innocence of a crime, as there was no intent nor neglect. My seeing of this is that there was evidently more to it then fight/flight. He seemed happy about the situation. Like a psychopath, he had no remorse. Personally, thats my biggest issue with the case.

You can't simmer the zimmer.

ohgod I just had to

[Osme]

You can't simmer the zimmer.

ohgod I just had to

Youre a horrible person. Im okay with this.

[qt]

You can't simmer the zimmer.

ohgod I just had to

CANT FLIM FLAM THE ZIM ZAM

[Osme]

CANT FLIM FLAM THE ZIM ZAM

No.

[Prox]

Video related:
The TRUTH About George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin!
Seeing as this is a re-upload and both, this and the original video has an overwhelming amount of likes which should indicate that the information is legit, the court decision was absolutely fair and just.

Original video which also has all sorts of information sources in the description: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bF-Ax5E8EJc#at=632

I highly recommend to watch the entire video, every second of it.