The fucking karma system

[Deacon]

This thread is so silly.

I think we can all agree that aside from being a Traitor, having low karma is hardly any fun. I generally am Traitor only once per map.

So lets say I witness someone kill three people, or perhaps someone throw an incendiary into a crowded room, maybe even shoot the detective several times, or if I get attacked out of the blue. Being the skillful-sometimes player I am I go out and I kill them because that obviously was a Traitorous act! But oh wait, they were an Innocent and they left a minute after they died! Now I have low karma and can't really do shit against Traitors.

That is the biggest problem I have with the system, right there. RDMers.

RDMers!

Can I please lose a lot less karma when I kill an Innocent who leaves two minutes after their death but before the round ends?

There is no way to determine that.

[Rocket50]

Hey, hey. How about we have both perma karma and temp karma servers running at the same time? Lock and sticky the thread for the time being and we can reopen the debate later when we have actual scenarios instead of arguing the implausibilities of the hypothetical

[Eion Kilant 739]

There is no way to determine that.

There isn't?

Let me get this straight:
There is no possible way to lower the amount of karma I lose based on if the player (Innocent) disconnects 10 seconds after I kill him?

[Cake Faice]

Hey, hey. How about we have both perma karma and temp karma servers running at the same time? Lock and sticky the thread for the time being and we can reopen the debate later when we have actual scenarios instead of arguing the implausibilities of the hypothetical

How about we let travelsonic make the call on locking...since it's his thread ya know.

But on the other hand, keep it open for further debate.

[Sabb]

I'm only going to lock it if Travel asks me to. Or if it turns into a completely shitstorm type deal.

[Rocket50]

I'm only going to lock it if Travel asks me to. Or if it turns into a completely shitstorm type deal.

Sonic shouldnt be able just to close the thread on a whim anymore. The arguments have pretty much gone personal and it would make more sense if impartial mods decided when it would be the right time to lock instead of OP feeling that, "omg, I feel bad now for destroying the community with my thread...."

[Sabb]

Sonic shouldnt be able just to close the thread on a whim anymore. The arguments have pretty much gone personal and it would make more sense if impartial mods decided when it would be the right time to lock instead of OP feeling that, "omg, I feel bad now for destroying the community with my thread...."

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There's really nothing wrong with the thread. RND debate.

[Rocket50]

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There's really nothing wrong with the thread. RND debate.

#typicalRND

[coolzeldad]

I don't necessarily want to lock this thread but I want to say that I have considered the scenarios and that the permanent karma system will stay.

The system helps prevent end round RDM as well as provide some sort of incentive for those who want to work for their 1000 karma.

However, I am considering changes to lessen the karma loss (but not increase the gain).

A little while before I shutdown the servers in February I joined TTT quite a few times to really get a fresh feel for the system and game play.

During that time I didn't find a problem with the system personally. Even if I made a mistake I would stick it through and get my karma score back up fairly quickly. However I understand not all players are the same and that it might be appropriate for small modifications to karma loss.

I have not yet decided on the exact amount change but I don't believe it needs to be that drastic.

[Sabb]

I don't necessarily want to lock this thread but I want to say that I have considered the scenarios and that the permanent karma system will stay.

The system helps prevent end round RDM as well as provide some sort of incentive for those who want to work for their 1000 karma.

However, I am considering changes to lessen the karma loss (but not increase the gain).

A little while before I shutdown the servers in February I joined TTT quite a few times to really get a fresh feel for the system and game play.

During that time I didn't find a problem with the system personally. Even if I made a mistake I would stick it through and get my karma score back up fairly quickly. However I understand not all players are the same and that it might be appropriate for small modifications to karma loss.

I have not yet decided on the exact amount change but I don't believe it needs to be that drastic.

does that mean you wont remove 400 karma per map change

[Cake Faice]

does that mean you wont remove 400 karma per map change

That would really be a bad decision if he did.

[Travelsonic]

One of the biggest things that pisses me off:

It SEEMS like this scenario exists:

Hill RDMer -> karma drops -> work to rebuild karma -> get karma really high -> kill another RDMer, same fashion as before, same reason -> karma drops 2-3x as much.

Seriously, it feels like after rebuilding your karma, killing another teammate RDMing or not, gets you hit with a double whammy, and it pisses me off.  I didn't rebuild my karma for it to drop 2-3x as fast for killing a high karma RDMer in the same fashion as what caused it to drop in the first place.



EDIT: And can we stop acting like perma, temp karma is the only frame of debate this can take, the only area that is/can be discussed on this matter, permakarma or not is irrelevant, it is the values for gain or loss, REGARDLESS of permakarma or not, that is making me, and others, royally pissed.

[Eion Kilant 739]

One of the biggest things that pisses me off:

It SEEMS like this scenario exists:

Hill RDMer -> karma drops -> work to rebuild karma -> get karma really high -> kill another RDMer, same fashion as before, same reason -> karma drops 2-3x as much.

Seriously, it feels like after rebuilding your karma, killing another teammate RDMing or not, gets you hit with a double whammy, and it pisses me off.  I didn't rebuild my karma for it to drop 2-3x as fast for killing a high karma RDMer in the same fashion as what caused it to drop in the first place.



EDIT: And can we stop acting like perma, temp karma is the only frame of debate this can take, the only area that is/can be discussed on this matter, permakarma or not is irrelevant, it is the values for gain or loss, REGARDLESS of permakarma or not, that is making me, and others, royally pissed.

Thank goodness I'm not alone here, I completely agree with you. I don't mind perma-karma, I mind RDMers costing me karma. That seems to be the hardest point to get across in nearly every karma thread I post in.

EDIT: Damn. Eight pages full of -blam!-. I think you should start over and make that crystal clear.

[ursus]

I think karma should reset every 1-2 days, or maybe even at random intervals.

RDM rounding wouldn't be an issue with that.