[DICUSSION] New VIP Application Process

[Juan_Ambriz]

Activity doesn't matter in this case.

And he's shown (very recently) he holds his personal bias above his responsibilities even as a VIP.

Ok I think I know what your talking about...

Mr Franklin.

I'm ok wit dis..

Also ID LIEK TO NOMINATE MYSELF!






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[Shockah]

Ok so there's a couple nominations for the VIP spot, we need to come to a consensus so we can actually get his up and running. I quite frankly think most all VIP's are capable but Axule might be the best choice because of his recent partial inactivity which eliminates bias, not to mention I know him and he never lets his feelings cloud his judgment.

[Foofoojack]

Ok so there's a couple nominations for the VIP spot, we need to come to a consensus so we can actually get his up and running. I quite frankly think most all VIP's are capable but Axule might be the best choice because of his recent partial inactivity which eliminates bias, not to mention I know him and he never lets his feelings cloud his judgment.

I completely agree with Shockah on Axule. Axule is a very nice person in all situations, and I've never seen him hold any personal bias or hate towards someone.

[○ Μαρία ○]

I completely agree with Shockah on Axule. Axule is a very nice person in all situations, and I've never seen him hold any personal bias or hate towards someone.

I agree completely. I voted for Axule because he is nice, but he also doesn't doesn't make choices on his personal preference. He is not biased and makes his judgements by what he see, and not by his own personal knowings of that individual. He is easy to talk to, and I think he is an excellent choice.

[Sabb]

Basically, I hate the system Snivy and Don are so strongly supporting. It simply won't work well, the board will only add bias, and the decisions will be hard as hell to make and no one will end up liking the decisions made. There will be a LOT of complaints, I can promise that. Basically, that whole idea would only work if coolz were the only one to approve/deny the final application. So, what I want to propose is a system which is slightly similar, but should be much more reliable and efficient. The actually application will be handled the same when it's first posted, where admins and VIPs discuss the applicant, but at the end of one week a decision will be made if the applicant is actually legible or not. That decision would basically be made by an admin. So, if an admin thought the applicant could still potentially be promoted after hearing everyone else's opinion, and the admin strongly wants that person to be promoted, then it would move onto the second portion of the process. This portion would be another small discussion based only with the admins on the moderator board or the VIP board but limited to admins' comments. At the end of maybe 3 days for that discussion, coolz himself would decide if the person should be promoted or not, based on what the other admins have said.
So, VIPs' opinions are still included in the first part of the process, with the admins' opinions also included. After discussion/debate I suppose, the application would be sent to the second step if an admin still thinks the applicant has a strong chance on becoming promoted (if an admin thinks they should be promoted, and no one else wants that person to be promoted, then it wouldn't go to the next stage as there's no chance of them being promoted). Then the second step would be another small discussion/debate ending with coolz deciding the final decision, basically just rounding up opinions.
Comment etc. Things can of course be changed, this is just my view on what would probabyl work best since apparently no one wants the old system. I'm open to other things but I really don't like the current one being decided on.

[Don]

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Basically, I hate the system you're so wet with. It's just way too much work for something that can be achieved in less time to the exact same effects.
Your system is just the system currently being discussed along with an additional step that includes coolz deciding on it.

[Sabb]

Basically, I hate the system you're so wet with. It's just way too much work for something that can be achieved in less time to the exact same effects.
Your system is just the system currently being discussed along with an additional step that includes coolz deciding on it.

Moving that was pointless. I wanted a new thread solely for the discussion of my suggestion/other suggestions not regarding the current system you're suggesting.
And no, it's not an additional step. It's a DIFFERENT step. It's basically the same thing as what you're suggesting, but with having coolz decide the final decision rather than overly biased players. You're really not going to get people who are completely unbiased to finalize the decision. coolz however doesn't really know the players which would probably be applying, and he would be a lot more able to just finalize the decision based off of what everyone else thinks.
In other words, it definitely wouldn't have the same effects. It may take a little more time but the decision would be WAY more reliable. And the thing is, coolz wouldn't even have to be any more active to deal with the applications, as A) applications are rarely posted. B) Applications who are posted, rarely actually get close to being approved, so they would rarely even move onto the second step, as they should.

[Deathie]

Moving that was pointless. I wanted a new thread solely for the discussion of my suggestion/other suggestions not regarding the current system you're suggesting.
And no, it's not an additional step. It's a DIFFERENT step. It's basically the same thing as what you're suggesting, but with having coolz decide the final decision rather than overly biased players. You're really not going to get people who are completely unbiased to finalize the decision. coolz however doesn't really know the players which would probably be applying, and he would be a lot more able to just finalize the decision based off of what everyone else thinks.
In other words, it definitely wouldn't have the same effects. It may take a little more time but the decision would be WAY more reliable. And the thing is, coolz wouldn't even have to be any more active to deal with the applications, as A) applications are rarely posted. B) Applications who are posted, rarely actually get close to being approved, so they would rarely even move onto the second step, as they should.

Please read the entire thread.

We already covered and explained why that wouldn't be possible, and why having three people with different views on things would be a good alternative.

And I moved it because this thread was made to discuss a new VIP application process. Not necessarily ours.

[Sabb]

Please read the entire thread.

We already covered and explained why that wouldn't be possible, and why having three people with different views on things would be a good alternative.

And I moved it because this thread was made to discuss a new VIP application process. Not necessarily ours.

Yes I know, but it's flooded with discussion about your idea. Not a big deal or anything I just wish admins wouldn't move stuff like that before even considering stuff... or talking to the other admin.
Anyways, I did read a lot of the thread but there's too much to read lol. I know why you want the three people with different views, but I disagree with it. I saw nothing significant stating why me idea wouldn't possible work.

[Shockah]

Yes I know, but it's flooded with discussion about your idea. Not a big deal or anything I just wish admins wouldn't move stuff like that before even considering stuff... or talking to the other admin.
Anyways, I did read a lot of the thread but there's too much to read lol. I know why you want the three people with different views, but I disagree with it. I saw nothing significant stating why me idea wouldn't possible work.

You're idea would work, just poorly. I feel it's just like the plan we've been talking about but with that final step, I don't think coolz is active enough to do even that, especially since the moment VIP apps are able to be posted again I know of 4 people who plan on doing so within the first few days, the amount of traffic after 3 ish months of not being able to post is going to be pretty high. Not only that but the amount of time taken would come close to tripling to get a vip approved, I think the whole purpose of changing the system was to make obtaining VIP a little more fair and feasible I feel your idea just makes it more difficult and more time costly.

[Sabb]

You're idea would work, just poorly. I feel it's just like the plan we've been talking about but with that final step, I don't think coolz is active enough to do even that, especially since the moment VIP apps are able to be posted again I know of 4 people who plan on doing so within the first few days, the amount of traffic after 3 ish months of not being able to post is going to be pretty high. Not only that but the amount of time taken would come close to tripling to get a vip approved, I think the whole purpose of changing the system was to make obtaining VIP a little more fair and feasible I feel your idea just makes it more difficult and more time costly.

I honestly think the old system was perfectly fine. A few small modifications could have helped and that's it. But any ways... coolz wouldn't be looking through every application though. Only ones with a high percentage of votes towards the applicant.

[Juan_Ambriz]

I honestly think the old system was perfectly fine. A few small modifications could have helped and that's it---

This

[Don]

I honestly think the old system was perfectly fine.

Pretty much.

[Sabb]

Pretty much.

So if everyone's agreeing that the old system worked well... why are we changing it?

[coolzeldad]

So if everyone's agreeing that the old system worked well... why are we changing it?

I'm not entirely satisfied with the current structure of the system.

I read every post in the thread... however I'm still thinking of what to go along with.

I'm also perfectly fine with checking the VIP apps say if Sabb's, or a derivative of his idea, was the applied system.

I have always kept up with 99% of the threads and posts during my activity and the matter of deciding a VIP through his process seems like a relatively seemless addition.

However, I'm still not sure what to say yet and I'll be sure to announce another dicussion, announcement, or both when I do find out what process I want to go with.

Please do keep discussing methods if you have ideas as they do help the thought process for alternative or a combination of ideas.