Tezuni Rdm and ghosting with Mr.Gusta

[AngelOfDeath]

1. Player's SteamID (STEAM_0:0:1234)
#    299 "» Mr. Gusta «"   STEAM_0:1:37610332   
#    298 "Tezuni"            STEAM_0:0:25439381   


2. Players Nickname
MR. GUSTA
TEZUNI

3. Your in-game name
AngelOfDeath

4. Server name

TTT

5. Description of the event(s)

Tezuni killed me for no reason and I was afk. When I returned from afk I walked down the stairs and the last thing I saw was Tezuni who is a Detective shoving  a knife into my face. After asking him why he killed me he said no and loled after which, he said that I shot somebody with a flare gun but I was completely afk ( Possible Ghosting with MR GUSTA )

6. Reason for ban
RDM and Possible ghosting

7. Screenshots or demo(s) | Optional console log(s)




2nd picture



Tezuni when  confronted made  an excuse later on he was laughing at me.

[FrostBound]

Well this would normally be considerd a random RDM but considering he got a knife as an innocent, and really a T wasn't killed sop he wilingly gave him the knife. So 

[Tezuni]

I knifed you because you shot at my head in the tower.
Show your other T buddy (the one I killed for the knife because he exploded a barrel on an innocent).

You ask why i knifed you a couple rounds later, when I'm explaining to dragoon why i killed him.
HERE's as much context as I could get in the voice chat - text chat conversation I was having with DRAGOON.




As you see, I killed dragoon and am confused why he was innocent because he was shooting side by side with a traitor who had a flare gun openly armed.
The out-of-context chat is, trying to...frame me...?   

[Ἆxule]

I'm not sure why you're targeting Mr. Gusta of ghosting with him.
There is no proof the two are friends.

Anyways, I have to -1.
There isn't enough proof for something as serious as ghosting. All you have showing is Tezuni knifing you before you could hurt him. For all we know, you could have tried to knife him as well and was caught off guard by the fact he had a knife as well.

A demo would have been more efficient with this report. Other than that, I can't believe you nor Tezuni. I'm only -1ing because there just isn't enough proof.

[Tezuni]

1.  Show your other t buddy i killed for knife.
2.  I just countered your screenshot with more context, which shows you were setting me up while I was talking to dragoon.

Now how about we discuss ban options for you, F.P.S. Russian....

[AngelOfDeath]

I'm not sure why you're targeting Mr. Gusta of ghosting with him.
There is no proof the two are friends.

Anyways, I have to -1.
There isn't enough proof for something as serious as ghosting. All you have showing is Tezuni knifing you before you could hurt him. For all we know, you could have tried to knife him as well and was caught off guard by the fact he had a knife as well.

A demo would have been more efficient with this report. Other than that, I can't believe you nor Tezuni. I'm only -1ing because there just isn't enough proof.

No Axule it is more the fact that he said I was flaring people after I asked him why he knifed me.

[Ἆxule]

No Axule it is more the fact that he said I was flaring people after I asked him why he knifed me.

I wasn't there, so I can't really say. Like I said, I'm only -1 because of the lack of proof.

However, I don't find the possibility of Tezuni wanting to ghost against you far fetched seeing as he doesn't like you very much.

[Tezuni]

Can we address my #2 point?

[Ἆxule]

Spoiler: long ass discussion between me and iPounce (click to show/hide)

Never tell your password to anyone.
Dovahkiin: a
Ἆxule: ?
Dovahkiin: so yeah
Dovahkiin: i kinda helped angel of death
Dovahkiin: you said there
Dovahkiin: not enough proof
Dovahkiin: Angel of death was afk
Dovahkiin: and tezuni just knifed him in the face
Dovahkiin: lol
Dovahkiin: since he added me
Dovahkiin: and
Dovahkiin: needed help
Dovahkiin: so i helped him
Dovahkiin: lol
Dovahkiin: but im pretty sure gusta is ghosting
Dovahkiin: you should
Dovahkiin: re read it
Ἆxule: The thing is
Ἆxule: there is no proof
Ἆxule: of Angel not shooting first
Ἆxule: and the bad luck of missing
Dovahkiin: wait
Dovahkiin: there is
Ἆxule: or even a fail knife
Dovahkiin: angel
Dovahkiin: was
Dovahkiin: afk
Ἆxule: the only proof is that he hadn't done anything before he was knifed
Ἆxule: yes
Ἆxule: and what I just said supports that claim
Ἆxule: but that fact still remains
Ἆxule: How do we know Angel hadn't done something to provoke it?
Ἆxule: thats all it really boils down to
Dovahkiin: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198053781555/screenshot/631860948227061276/?
Ἆxule: there is no proof that he did or didnt
Dovahkiin: there
Dovahkiin: first lines of
Dovahkiin: damagelog
Ἆxule: the very first lines?
Ἆxule: because it doesnt involve him
Your state is set to Offline.
Dovahkiin is now Offline.
Lost connection to Steam, will rejoin chat automatically when connection regained.
Connected again and rejoined chat.
Dovahkiin is now Online.
Dovahkiin: so yeah
Dovahkiin: 5:43 PM - Ἆxule: the very first lines?
5:43 PM - Ἆxule: because it doesnt involve him
5:43 PM - Dovahkiin: it does
5:43 PM - Dovahkiin: i meant
5:43 PM - Dovahkiin: the firs lines
5:43 PM - Dovahkiin: look
5:43 PM - Dovahkiin: tezuni
5:43 PM - Dovahkiin: killed scoutty
5:43 PM - Dovahkiin: he might have the knife
Dovahkiin: angel was afk
Dovahkiin: and he just got killed
Dovahkiin: by tezuni
Ἆxule: and?
Ἆxule: I already aknowledged to myself how he might have gotten the knife
Ἆxule: let me check somehting though
Dovahkiin: kk
Ἆxule: I want to see if Gusta knifed anyone
Dovahkiin: none
Ἆxule: Okay
Ἆxule: so there is the possibility Gusta gave Tezuni the knife
Dovahkiin: yup
Dovahkiin: and possibility that Scoutty had the knife
Ἆxule: yes, that too
Dovahkiin: but AngelOfDeath was afk
Ἆxule: but Im saying
Dovahkiin: he explained it to me
Dovahkiin: he just got knifed
Ἆxule: you're not getting it though
Ἆxule: the proof he gave
Ἆxule: doesnt prove that Tezuni "just knifed him out of no where"
Dovahkiin: i know that
Ἆxule: it just shows Tezuni knifing him before Angel could hurt Tezuni
Dovahkiin: i know what you think
Dovahkiin: that
Dovahkiin: angel wasn't afk or something
Ἆxule: no
Dovahkiin: fff
Dovahkiin: damn it
Ἆxule: the damagelogs
Ἆxule: show that he could have been
Dovahkiin: i need learn english more
Dovahkiin: failed knifing
Dovahkiin: tezuni
Dovahkiin: and
Ἆxule: yes
Dovahkiin: lol
Ἆxule: But thats basically why I'm saying no the report
Ἆxule: that one event
Ἆxule: isn't enough
Ἆxule: to claim that the two ghosted
Dovahkiin: yeah
Dovahkiin: i know
Ἆxule: a demo would have been much more helpful
Dovahkiin: 5:52 PM - AngelOfDeath: and another thing is
5:52 PM - AngelOfDeath: if I wasnt afk
5:52 PM - AngelOfDeath: thered be damage
5:53 PM - AngelOfDeath: showing up on the logs
Ἆxule: thats not entirely true either
Ἆxule: the damagelogs can only prove so much
Ἆxule: tell me
Ἆxule: how many times when you were T, did you try to blend in with the crowd
Ἆxule: doing nothing for the longest period
Ἆxule: trying to prove yourself innocent
Dovahkiin: i dont understand the blending thing
Dovahkiin: oh wait
Dovahkiin: nvm
Dovahkiin: ijust got it
Dovahkiin: yeah
Dovahkiin: thats 1
Dovahkiin: but angel was trying to say
Dovahkiin: he was afk
Dovahkiin: and got killed
Dovahkiin: when got back
Dovahkiin: i dont really know what am i saying
Dovahkiin: lol
Ἆxule: I know what Angel said
Ἆxule: Basically
Ἆxule: he was afk
Ἆxule: came back
Ἆxule: saw Tezuni knifing him
Ἆxule: hadn't done anything
Ἆxule: assumed ghosting
Ἆxule: What I'm saying is
Ἆxule: there is no proof of that happening
Dovahkiin: like
Ἆxule: only small things supporting it
Dovahkiin: where?
Ἆxule: what?
Ἆxule: where what
Dovahkiin: I mean
Dovahkiin: Where did happen
Dovahkiin: damn it
Dovahkiin: aodkox
Dovahkiin: so yeah
Dovahkiin: continue
Ἆxule: oh
Ἆxule: anyways
Ἆxule: onl;y small things to support that this event happened that way
Ἆxule: but no absolute proof
Ἆxule: at least
Ἆxule: not enough to punish with ghosting
Ἆxule: (3wk ban)

[AngelOfDeath]

1.  Show your other t buddy i killed for knife.
2.  I just countered your screenshot with more context, which shows you were setting me up while I was talking to dragoon.

Now how about we discuss ban options for you, F.P.S. Russian....

Ok well sorry about the flare context SS I was not aware that you were speaking to Dragoon. However Why did you knife me then? Cause in the logs I was afk and there is no damage. So why would you stab me in the face if I was afk and didnt shoot or kill anyone? Yet then i was not the last traitor left alive. This is why there is so much suspicion there because of that.

[Shockah]

I'm not sure why you're targeting Mr. Gusta of ghosting with him.
There is no proof the two are friends.

Anyways, I have to -1.
There isn't enough proof for something as serious as ghosting. All you have showing is Tezuni knifing you before you could hurt him. For all we know, you could have tried to knife him as well and was caught off guard by the fact he had a knife as well.

A demo would have been more efficient with this report. Other than that, I can't believe you nor Tezuni. I'm only -1ing because there just isn't enough proof.

This ^ and on behalf of your history with Tezuni the likelyhood of you simply rage posting because you're an asshole is pretty high aswell as him ghosting against you does that make this report totally uncredible no but there's simply not enough proof maybe if a demo was available but as you said you were "completely afk"  to the report lacking proof.

[[Valor]iPounce]

So I'm seeing here, Why did you knife him tezuni while he was afk?

[AngelOfDeath]

This ^ and on behalf of your history with Tezuni the likelyhood of you simply rage posting because you're an asshole is pretty high aswell as him ghosting against you does that make this report totally uncredible no but there's simply not enough proof maybe if a demo was available but as you said you were "completely afk"  to the report lacking proof.

1. Damage logs show me not shooting anyone at all.

2. So he runs up the tower when I return from AFK I see a knife pushed into my face.

Damage logs questions anyone?

[Ἆxule]

1. Damage logs show me not shooting anyone at all.

2. So he runs up the tower when I return from AFK I see a knife pushed into my face.

Damage logs questions anyone?

that's where everything boils down too.

We cannot take your word that you hadn't done anything. All logs show is that Tezuni knifed you before you could damage him. Logs can't show you missing a shot/knife or anything else to provoke it.

Edit: I'd also like to add that though the damage logs do show Angel not damaging anyone during the whole round, it doesn't exactly prove you were afk. All it does is supports your claim. You could have been trying to prove yourself innocent to those around you, and thus, not hurting anyone. Since Tezuni was the detective, it is possible that the two of you were alone and you tried to make your move, while unaware that he had a knife due to being afk.

Now this doesn't mean anything. All I'm saying is we don't know exactly what happened, and we can't recreate exactly what happened from just the logs. We could listen to both of yours and Tezuni's explanations and we ourselves could come up with countless examples of what might have happened, but there is not way (in my opinion) we can prove as something as serious as ghosting (1wk-3wk (I'm unaware at the moment) length ban) with this little proof.

Now, with all that said, I don't find it hard to believe that Tezuni ghosted with someone in order to kill you, taking advantage of you being afk. I know for a fact that neither of you like each other, and with that said, there is the possibility of you changing what had actually happened in order to frame Tezuni.  This does not mean that's exactly what happened. It only means that we can't take either of your (both Angel (Russian for those who are curious) and Tezuni) word for it.

[AngelOfDeath]

that's where everything boils down too.

We cannot take your word that you hadn't done anything. All logs show is that Tezuni knifed you before you could damage him. Logs can't show you missing a shot/knife or anything else to provoke it.

Edit: I'd also like to add that though the damage logs do show Angel not damaging anyone during the whole round, it doesn't exactly prove you were afk. All it does is supports your claim. You could have been trying to prove yourself innocent to those around you, and thus, not hurting anyone. Since Tezuni was the detective, it is possible that the two of you were alone and you tried to make your move, while unaware that he had a knife due to being afk.

Now this doesn't mean anything. All I'm saying is we don't know exactly what happened, and we can't recreate exactly what happened from just the logs. We could listen to both of yours and Tezuni's explanations and we ourselves could come up with countless examples of what might have happened, but there is not way (in my opinion) we can prove as something as serious as ghosting (1wk-3wk (I'm unaware at the moment) length ban) with this little proof.

Now, with all that said, I don't find it hard to believe that Tezuni ghosted with someone in order to kill you, taking advantage of you being afk. I know for a fact that neither of you like each other, and with that said, there is the possibility of you changing what had actually happened in order to frame Tezuni.  This does not mean that's exactly what happened. It only means that we can't take either of your (both Angel (Russian for those who are curious) and Tezuni) word for it.

I actually wonder if anyone witnessed him knifing me  starts looking through the players present on at that time. If an Admin or VIP would be so kind to question some of those people it would be nice. 

If we can't find the witnesses then lock this report cause I guess there is not enough proof. However I will now start recording every round I am T from now on. So stuff like this just doesn't fly by.