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Title: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Tezuni on August 03, 2012, 10:13:36 PM
The God Question...
Is there a higher power?  Yes? No? Not Sure?

(http://www.dumb.com/god/images/god.jpg)

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Personally, I find myself to be most easily categorized as Agnostic

I feel this way due to 3 obstacles facing Christianity and applicable religions.

1. The 'word of God' comes from sinful MEN among many other religious texts with the same claim.
2. Sinless souls are born into a sinful world.
3. There is an inability to simply will true belief, something non-physical, into oneself.

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Dr. Gerald Schroeder poses some interesting scientific explanations as proof of God in his Beyond Intelligent Design.  Dr. Gerald starts with the big questions such as "Why is there existence in the first place?" and works his way towards specifics such as "Why was life already purpose driven when it came into being?"  Watch his 31 minute video here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzetqYev_AI#).  or read the Transcription Here (http://www.simpletoremember.com/media/a/dr_schroeder_s/)


Video Highlights:

"We are not sure who discovered water, but we are pretty sure it was not the fish.
When you live in an environment that is totally around you, you just take it for granted.
"

"The oldest rocks that can bear fossils already have fossils of fully formed single celled life.
Nature invents photosynthesis in a snap, and starts oxygenating the atmosphere.
"

"And on this earth which is so lovingly tuned for life as Scientific American points out, rocks and water, a few simple molecules, perhaps some clay, methane, ammonia, nitrogen, water and rocks become alive. Of course those rocks and water were not always rocks and water. Before that, before the earth and the solar system formed, they were stardust, of previously exploded stars. And before this, they were hydrogen and helium which is produced in the big bang, and before this they were beams of energy. So everything you see around you is condensed energy. You are made of light beams.

The fact that there is one physical creation and science is unequivocal about this, there was one physical creation, the stuff that makes up your body, and the world around you, the chair you are sitting on, the floor on which the chair rests, has been in the universe since the creation. You witnessed the creation of the universe. You were present at the creation. Not in your bodily form, but in the form of light beams, that eventually became alive, learned to send people to the moon, learned to create a violin concerto that can so beautiful, can move a person to tears, all from condensed light beams. It is quite a stretch of the imagination, that this merely happened by itself. But that is the understanding from a materialist reductionist point of view. Light beams became alive and somehow, not only did they become alive, but they became cognizant of being alive. Cognizant of awareness, of joy, light beams can laugh and feel joy. Light beams can sing, light beams can love. But that is what happened, because the only thing that is a substrate of this universe is light beams. And that is what we are made of."
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Nemisous on August 03, 2012, 10:48:30 PM
i'm just gonna say there are things in this universe that we cannot explain. because are minds cant comprehend it. similar to a 4 dimensional object.
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Rocket50 on August 03, 2012, 10:54:54 PM
i'm just gonna say there are things in this universe that we cannot explain. because are minds cant comprehend it. similar to a 4 dimensional object.

Uhhhh... We CAN comprehend 4D objects and we've been studying it for the last hundred years

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/8-cell-simple.gif)

We've also gone as far as using it in calculations as 4D spacial rotations, quanternions. Tech knows about it, and Im sure Xrain knows quite a bit about it too.
And holy shit are they useful in Gmod.
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Nemisous on August 03, 2012, 11:00:23 PM
Uhhhh... We CAN comprehend 4D objects and we've been studying it for the last hundred years

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/8-cell-simple.gif)

We've also gone as far as using it in calculations as 4D spacial rotations, quanternions. Tech knows about it, and Im sure Xrain knows quite a bit about it too

There is mathmatical equations for it, and even some figures showing what a 4D object might look like. but the human body doesn't see things in the 4th dimension.
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Rocket50 on August 03, 2012, 11:01:34 PM
There is mathmatical equations for it, and even some figures showing what a 4D object might look like. but the human body doesn't see things in the 4th dimension.

Of course not. But we have the basic understanding of it. And it's not that we're not capable of seeing in 4D. It's just, everything is in 3D and there is no possible way we can have 4D objects. It's like quantum foam; we can't see it, but it doesnt mean we cant understand it
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Nemisous on August 03, 2012, 11:04:54 PM
Of course not. But we have the basis understanding of it. And it's not that we're not capable of seeing in 4D. It's just, everything is in 3D and there is no possible way we can have 4D objects

well not in this dimension at least.. but as I said there are some things we cant wrap are minds around. for instance Forever. its hard for humans to imagine never ending. because humans are made to see things from beginning to end. are version of forever is just along list of numbers. if you where to tell someone that he universe has always been and always was.. its hard for a human to imagine it.
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Rocket50 on August 03, 2012, 11:11:21 PM
well not in this dimension at least.. but as I said there are some things we cant wrap are minds around. for instance Forever. its hard for humans to imagine never ending. because humans are made to see things from beginning to end. are version of forever is just along list of numbers. if you where to tell someone that he universe has always been and always was.. its hard for a human to imagine it.

Im pretty sure people can understand infinity just fine
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Nemisous on August 03, 2012, 11:21:37 PM
Im pretty sure people can understand infinity just fine
its easy for humans to see an object that has no end because we know it has a beginning, but a true infinite object doesn't have a beginning nor end. but then again science changes like the seasons, 100 years from now infinite could have a different meaning than it did today. that is all.
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Frank on August 03, 2012, 11:23:38 PM
well not in this dimension at least.. but as I said there are some things we cant wrap are minds around. for instance Forever. its hard for humans to imagine never ending. because humans are made to see things from beginning to end. are version of forever is just along list of numbers. if you where to tell someone that he universe has always been and always was.. its hard for a human to imagine it.
Please please USE OUR NOT ARE

our = of us

are = to be


Also, God is there to explain everything the human can't understand/does not know. And to provide comfort. You give your freedom of thought for comfort and an imagined future.


its easy for humans to see an object that has no end because we know it has a beginning, but a true infinite object doesn't have a beginning nor end. but then again science changes like the seasons, 100 years from now infinite could have a different meaning than it did today.

>infinite
>no end

Does not mean no beginning.
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Deathie on August 03, 2012, 11:29:22 PM
There is mathmatical equations for it, and even some figures showing what a 4D object might look like. but the human body doesn't see things in the 4th dimension.

I CAN'T SEE IT SO IT DOESN'T EXIST RIGHT.
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Lavenchie on August 03, 2012, 11:31:25 PM
I hate clicking on threads like these because afterwards all I get is a bad headache.
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Tiger Guy on August 03, 2012, 11:32:50 PM
You can't prove god. You can't disprove god. It may seem logical that god doesn't exist, but you can't technically disprove him, no matter how logical it is.

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Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Cake Faice on August 03, 2012, 11:38:55 PM
Can't prove or disprove.

Pretty much the only few reasons why organized religion hasn't fallen yet is because it gives people faith to hold on to. You don't have to believe in a god to believe faith, it's purty much your choice and all.
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Seb on August 03, 2012, 11:39:42 PM
If there is a God, why is there evil?
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Tiger Guy on August 03, 2012, 11:41:32 PM
If there is a God, why is there evil?
To 'test' us. That's the least retarded way I can put it.
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Deathie on August 03, 2012, 11:51:52 PM
If there is a God, why is there evil?

You can't have order without a little chaos?
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Seb on August 03, 2012, 11:58:59 PM
You can't have order without a little chaos?

I can, but I'm sure a God would be able to make a universe without chaos.
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: coolzeldad on August 04, 2012, 12:04:42 AM
Existance/non-existance of God.. interesting..

What if God was outside existance? (the is and isn't)

I think that makes sense without being logical..

Limits of logic really play a key factor in this discussion I believe.
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Ἆxule on August 04, 2012, 01:04:09 AM
Honestly, it doesn't matter to me whether or not there is a God. I grew up as a Christian, but have sense then decided that I'm not going to affiliate myself with religion. Why? Well it's something we created, whether the events that were created happened or not (i.e. The Last Supper). It's not specifically for just that reason, but it's one example that's easiest to explain for me.

Growing up as a Christian, I've seen how important religion is to a lot of people, and I respect that. It's how they were born and raised and one thing I know for sure is that our beliefs are extremely important to us. What good am I doing by ruining their beliefs and possibly causing them grief and problems within family? I'm not getting anything out of it that is beneficial for both of us, so why bother?

The only thing I do not like about religion are those extremists, but that goes for everything.

So in short:

Do I believe in God?
-It's complicated, but overall, no.

Am I an atheist?
-No because I'm not going to be arrogant and say that I KNOW God doesn't exist, because I don't. Know one does. Besides that though, I don't consider myself an atheist because atheism affiliates with religion and I just try to stay away from being involved with religion in general.

Do I think we should stay completely away from religion?
-Nonsense. The Bible and other religious books are a great source to adopt values for life and give you guidelines of rules to follow (i.e. The 10 commandments).

I apologize if this is hard to understand, but I have trouble explaining things in depth when it comes to these kinds of things. I tried my best though on this one because it's something I think is important.

If there is a God, why is there evil?

The story I've heard is that God is showing us what life is like without him in our lives.
Do I believe that? I don't know. You can take it as you want, however.
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Deathie on August 04, 2012, 01:45:44 AM
So in short:

Do I believe in God?
-It's complicated, but overall, no.

Am I an atheist?
-No because I'm not going to be arrogant and say that I KNOW God doesn't exist, because I don't. Know one does. Besides that though, I don't consider myself an atheist because atheism affiliates with religion and I just try to stay away from being involved with religion in general.

So you're Agnostic.
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Rocket50 on August 04, 2012, 02:52:12 AM
-Nonsense. The Bible and other religious books are a great source to adopt values for life and give you guidelines of rules to follow (i.e. The 10 commandments).

Lol. Have you READ the bible? There's plenty of racism, sexism and support for slavery in there, but conveniently, churches choose to omit all the bad parts. (All you women better shut the fuck up, as the bible says you cannot talk until permitted by a man.)

-

You CANT disprove or prove god, but, you CAN disprove certain religions. The earliest bible story was to have been estimated to have happened around 5000 years ago, and in Genesis, god creates man directly after the creation of the earth. This puts the earliest man and the earth, according to the bible, to be dated at around 5000 Years old and thanks to carbon dating, and the undisputable fact of millions of years of continental drift because of the plant remains found in Antartica, this is wrong.
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Supertoaster on August 04, 2012, 06:07:11 AM
I don't know what I am. It's sort of Agnostic and Deist, not sure which.


I believe there is some kind of god/higher deity but not religion.
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: This Toast on August 04, 2012, 06:21:06 AM
Theism here.
I'm pure catholic.
1. The bible was  written by real witnesses of Christ.
2. Saints also, we're a living instrument of God.
3. Science can never answer everything and every phenomenon that happens.
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Rocket50 on August 04, 2012, 07:43:06 AM

1. What do you make of the things said in the bible supporting sexism, racism, anti-homosexualism, slavery, and intolerance for other religions

    - When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished.  If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. Exodus 21:20-21
   -   If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT
   - Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." Corinthians 14:34-35


2. How come modern day religions do not follow the entire bible, yet call the bible the ultimate word of god.

    -"You must not wear clothing made of wool and linen woven together." Deuteronomy 22:11
    -"And since you are to regard them as unclean, you must not eat their meat; you must regard their carcasses as unclean. 12 Anything living in the water that does not have fins and scales is to be regarded as unclean by you." Leviticus 11:11-12
    -"In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;" Timothy 2:9 - 15

3. Again, the earliest bible story was estimated to have happened 6000 years ago, (If you take the birth of the people in Gensis, and add up the number of years between them until a birth that was actually dated, Abraham," it comes to about 6000 to maximium of 10000. According to Genesis, the earth was created at the exact instance of the universe, (Genesis 1:1-2) and was finished with life within six days of the creation of the universe, (Genesis 31) now, this conflicts with a number of things.

    a. It takes millions of years for light to reach earth from the stars
    b. Carbon dating tells us the bones left over hugely surpass this
    c. Because of radioactive decay, it's impossible that the earth was created at the exact instance of the universe
    d. Continental drift, over the periods of millions of years, put dead tropical organic matter in Antartica when there was still the Pangaea and would be impossible  to have happened within the 6000 years of our supposed existance
       -When reconnecting our continents together, mountain ranges line up, the areas containing types of dinosaurs that are seperated today realign
    e. According to the life cycle of a sun such of ours, our sun has been there for millions of years
             
   
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: cogsandspigots on August 04, 2012, 08:38:28 AM
I always interpreted the story of Genesis as a metaphor for God's relation with mankind.

Also, does NO ONE realize that the whole point of the New Testament was that it nullified all the rules of the Old Testament (homosexuality included) except the 10 Commandments?
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Rocket50 on August 04, 2012, 09:11:08 AM
I always interpreted the story of Genesis as a metaphor for God's relation with mankind.

Also, does NO ONE realize that the whole point of the New Testament was that it nullified all the rules of the Old Testament (homosexuality included) except the 10 Commandments?

So Christianity decided to choose what it wanted to believe because the original teachings were percieved by people as not moral. Well shit, if Christianity thinks that these ones are the right ones, why werent they taught in the first place? Because it's god's Word. These changes imply that man has now gotten to the level of arrogance to know better than God's Word and change the religion to suit what they, as imperfect beings think is right.

So, no, the Old Testament is not irrelevant and more of God's word than the pick-and-choose religion of today
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: ๖Ϝцzsioᴎ on August 04, 2012, 09:21:54 AM
I just want to say this
If there is a God then wait until we die
If there isn't a God then wait until we die

There's no solid concrete proof that he is real or not, I myself am a Christian, and I do hope and believe that God is real.

The point is, we'll find out the truth until we're dead.
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: blαh2355 on August 04, 2012, 09:23:22 AM
You know, I never really cared let alone know about religion until a little later. That was when people were talking hurr what religion do you believe in and I'm like lolwat I don't have one so they say I'm atheist. okay.jpg, but they ask I don't believe in god right? I guess not an-  LOLHURRDURR BLAH IS AN ATHEIST AND DOESN'T BELIEVE IN GOD, YOU'RE GOING TO HELL AND BE REINCARNATED INTO A TREE. areyoufuckingkiddingme.jpg. And that is why I'm atheist, simply because I don't have a religion/belief and stay out of anything to do with religion.

/rant
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Rocket50 on August 04, 2012, 09:26:08 AM
I do hope and believe that God is real.

Why
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: ursus on August 04, 2012, 09:36:07 AM
Also, does NO ONE realize that the whole point of the New Testament was that it nullified all the rules of the Old Testament (homosexuality included) except the 10 Commandments?

Thank you, Cogs.

Anyone who uses the Mosaic Law to say that the bible is impractical in the modern day places on an intelligence level somewhat akin to a horsefly.

Yes, I'm talking to you, Rocket.

There's even an entire account in the two books of Corinthians where the apostle Paul had to counsel the congregations because they insisted that circumcision was still necessary, and it took several chapters to explain that the old laws didn't apply anymore. I can't take you guys seriously when you argue over something you only claim to know about.
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Сєşάя on August 04, 2012, 09:52:18 AM
All findings one day we will come to God, for now, let's take care of our lives.  ;)
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Rocket50 on August 04, 2012, 09:59:32 AM
Thank you, Cogs.

Anyone who uses the Mosaic Law to say that the bible is impractical in the modern day places on an intelligence level somewhat akin to a horsefly.

Yes, I'm talking to you, Rocket.


You missed the point entirely.

The point was, where did Christianity start choosing what to believe and how is choosing what modern man believes a correct representation of god's will? When did man decide to have better morals than god, and decide what is alright in the eyes of god even though it was restricted in the old testament?

And isnt that what Christianity is? You follow the word closely, following even the most unorthodox in order to prove your obedience and faith so you can go to heaven? So by cherry picking, not only have you ignored parts of the bible, you have chosen to say that you know better.
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: ·UηİŦ·· on August 04, 2012, 10:11:46 AM
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I kinda like these threads.

Gets me thinking about stuff.

I also like reading what everyone has to say, because I hate being one of my only Points of Reference.

Also... shouldn't we be watching TV instead of discussing 'Why'? It's Saturday. Oh wait TV is dead and this joke is outdated
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Sabb on August 04, 2012, 12:47:35 PM
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Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Cake Faice on August 04, 2012, 12:49:23 PM
I love how in today's modern society, you cannot be fully free of not having religious beliefs.

You're automatically labeled as Agnostic or Atheist by default.
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Shockah on August 04, 2012, 12:52:40 PM
Why

Because some people can't live with the fact that they only live to inevitably die, just as some need the prospect of Heaven and Hell as a motivational reward/punishment to do good.
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Nemisous on August 04, 2012, 01:05:14 PM
Theists= I KNOW there is a god because I have Faith that the word of go is true and not tampered with by man.
Atheists= I KNOW there isn't a god because I have Faith that Science(even though Science is based on theory and is subject to change)

Agnostics= I just don't know if there is a god or not because there isn't enough evidence to support either other than faith.
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Seb on August 04, 2012, 03:07:14 PM
Do I believe in God?
-It's complicated, but overall, no.

Am I an atheist?
-No because I'm not going to be arrogant and say that I KNOW God doesn't exist, because I don't. Know one does. Besides that though, I don't consider myself an atheist because atheism affiliates with religion and I just try to stay away from being involved with religion in general.

You're an agnostic atheist and FUCK ATHEISM IS NOT A RELIGION IT'S THE LACK OF ONE.


Everybody, listen the fuck up!

There's:

Agnostic Theism - You don't know if a God is there but you believe in one
Gnostic Theism - You know there's a God
Agnostic Atheism - You don't know if there's a God but you don't believe in one either way
Gnostic Theism - You know there's no God.

THAT is how agnosticism and gnosticism works, not as that stupid "hurr no1 nows" shit that everybody thinks it is.

Now update the goddamn poll.




Quote from: ursus
Anyone who uses the Mosaic Law to say that the bible is impractical in the modern day places on an intelligence level somewhat akin to a horsefly.

Yes, I'm talking to you, Rocket.

There's even an entire account in the two books of Corinthians where the apostle Paul had to counsel the congregations because they insisted that circumcision was still necessary, and it took several chapters to explain that the old laws didn't apply anymore. I can't take you guys seriously when you argue over something you only claim to know about.

There's also actually a verse where Jesus says the Old Testament laws still apply.
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Сєşάя on August 04, 2012, 05:13:33 PM
I do not know why so many people is an atheist, I believe in God, but I'm not a religious fanatic. Many people think that a person who believes in God is considered a fanatic, this is a fatal error.
Bloft
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Cake Faice on August 04, 2012, 05:28:46 PM
I do not know why so many people is an atheist, I believe in God, but I'm not a religious fanatic. Many people think that a person who believes in God is considered a fanatic, this is a fatal error.
Dude what.
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Rocket50 on August 04, 2012, 06:31:05 PM
Theists= I KNOW there is a god because I have Faith that the word of go is true and not tampered with by man.
Atheists= I KNOW there isn't a god because I have Faith that Science(even though Science is based on theory and is subject to change)

Okay. The way you used theory really annoys me. First of all, theory is not an indication of how confident scientists are. It is a collection of explanations and ideas towards a subject. A law is an observed set of statements. A theory does not "graduate" and become law. A theory will always be theory. For instance, germ theory, it's pretty much proven but it is not germ law, as we do not observe it, but we have explanations that fit perfectly for the observed effects.

And you don't have faith in science, that's not how it works. Faith is to believe without proof or evidence, science is to believe because of proof or evidence. You have science which disproves and invalidates parts of religious claims so that it makes religion nonsensical when examined by science.

Also, what seb said.

 "All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..."  (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)

“...the scripture cannot be broken.” --Jesus Christ, John 10:35
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Сєşάя on August 04, 2012, 07:09:08 PM
Dude what.

Huh?
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Nemisous on August 04, 2012, 08:13:04 PM
Okay. The way you used theory really annoys me.
I'm sure it does.
First of all, theory is not an indication of how confident scientists are. It is a collection of explanations and ideas towards a subject. A law is an observed set of statements. A theory does not "graduate" and become law. A theory will always be theory. For instance, germ theory, it's pretty much proven but it is not germ law, as we do not observe it, but we have explanations that fit perfectly for the observed effects.
I never said the theories where law. I'm just saying that science is heavily based on theory, and theory is subject to change, is it not ?

Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Frank on August 04, 2012, 09:53:49 PM
Atheist == no god
Religion != a god/gods
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: memo3300 on August 04, 2012, 10:13:12 PM
i believe in something after dead, which leads me to believe in god.


Why do i believe in something after dead? scary shit like being the last one to go to sleep with everything in order and waking up with the couch looking directly at the TV with a glass at the side.

also that sensation of falling backwards without being able to move until you reach the same angle of your body and just then you wake up in a rude way...
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Deathie on August 04, 2012, 10:15:31 PM
i believe in something after dead, which leads me to believe in god.


Why do i believe in something after dead? scary shit like being the last one to go to sleep with everything in order and waking up with the couch looking directly at the TV with a glass at the side.

also that sensation of falling backwards without being able to move until you reach the same angle of your body and just then you wake up in a rude way...

what
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Rocket50 on August 05, 2012, 05:58:38 AM
I'm sure it does. I never said the theories where law. I'm just saying that science is heavily based on theory, and theory is subject to change, is it not ?

>Still uses theory to imply the confidence levels of science when explained the exact opposite

Sure it can change, that's the entire point. Unlike Christianity, if something doesn't make sense we figure out why and how, while priests and other religious figures just cover their ears and yell "LALALALAL IM NOT LISTENING" and shut it out completely by calling it open to interpretation.

Also Cesar, what. 
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: ursus on August 05, 2012, 08:53:06 AM
>Still uses theory to imply the confidence levels of science when explained the exact opposite

Sure it can change, that's the entire point. Unlike religion, if something doesn't make sense we figure out why and how, while priests and other religious figures just cover their ears and yell "LALALALAL IM NOT LISTENING" and shut it out completely by calling it open to interpretation.

Also Cesar, what. 

Again, I'll take you seriously when you stop referring to "religion" as if all religions are exactly the same.
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: cogsandspigots on August 05, 2012, 08:58:49 AM
Atheist == no god
Religion != a god/gods
Thank you, Frank.
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Rocket50 on August 05, 2012, 09:31:54 AM
Again, I'll take you seriously when you stop referring to "religion" as if all religions are exactly the same.

Im using religion very loosely because I didn't one to single out one religion since a lot apply but okay, I'll indulge you.
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: ○ Μαρία ○ on August 05, 2012, 10:22:16 AM
Alright, just putting my own personal beliefs out there:
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I am not the best at explaining my thoughts sometimes, because sometimes I feel it's just not easy to get into words. So I apologize if this comes off as confusing...
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: ChaosEternal on August 05, 2012, 10:34:34 AM
To 'test' us. That's the least retarded way I can put it.
That is pretty much the same reason I figured. If there is a god, I'd assume they set things up in the beginning, then just let things run their course for the most part to see how we would do with what was given to us in said beginning.
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: memo3300 on August 05, 2012, 10:39:53 AM
That is pretty much the same reason I figured. If there is a god, I'd assume they set things up in the beginning, then just let things run their course for the most part to see how we would do with what was given to us in said beginning.

actually, once i was walking by the side of the street and one guy gave me a paper that , in resumed words, said: God have let us do our stuff by our own to see that without him we will allways screw up, but he is* giving us enough time to try any type of government or so.
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: Tezuni on August 05, 2012, 01:33:18 PM
Apparently some individuals are upset with me for making this thread.  They think I was trying to start a flame war.  Well, I wasn't.  Someone lock this.
Title: Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
Post by: coolzeldad on August 05, 2012, 01:35:38 PM
locked by req