Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism

[Deathie]

If there is a God, why is there evil?

You can't have order without a little chaos?

[Seb]

You can't have order without a little chaos?

I can, but I'm sure a God would be able to make a universe without chaos.

[coolzeldad]

Existance/non-existance of God.. interesting..

What if God was outside existance? (the is and isn't)

I think that makes sense without being logical..

Limits of logic really play a key factor in this discussion I believe.

[Ἆxule]

Honestly, it doesn't matter to me whether or not there is a God. I grew up as a Christian, but have sense then decided that I'm not going to affiliate myself with religion. Why? Well it's something we created, whether the events that were created happened or not (i.e. The Last Supper). It's not specifically for just that reason, but it's one example that's easiest to explain for me.

Growing up as a Christian, I've seen how important religion is to a lot of people, and I respect that. It's how they were born and raised and one thing I know for sure is that our beliefs are extremely important to us. What good am I doing by ruining their beliefs and possibly causing them grief and problems within family? I'm not getting anything out of it that is beneficial for both of us, so why bother?

The only thing I do not like about religion are those extremists, but that goes for everything.

So in short:

Do I believe in God?
-It's complicated, but overall, no.

Am I an atheist?
-No because I'm not going to be arrogant and say that I KNOW God doesn't exist, because I don't. Know one does. Besides that though, I don't consider myself an atheist because atheism affiliates with religion and I just try to stay away from being involved with religion in general.

Do I think we should stay completely away from religion?
-Nonsense. The Bible and other religious books are a great source to adopt values for life and give you guidelines of rules to follow (i.e. The 10 commandments).

I apologize if this is hard to understand, but I have trouble explaining things in depth when it comes to these kinds of things. I tried my best though on this one because it's something I think is important.

If there is a God, why is there evil?

The story I've heard is that God is showing us what life is like without him in our lives.
Do I believe that? I don't know. You can take it as you want, however.

[Deathie]

So in short:

Do I believe in God?
-It's complicated, but overall, no.

Am I an atheist?
-No because I'm not going to be arrogant and say that I KNOW God doesn't exist, because I don't. Know one does. Besides that though, I don't consider myself an atheist because atheism affiliates with religion and I just try to stay away from being involved with religion in general.

So you're Agnostic.

[Rocket50]

-Nonsense. The Bible and other religious books are a great source to adopt values for life and give you guidelines of rules to follow (i.e. The 10 commandments).

Lol. Have you READ the bible? There's plenty of racism, sexism and support for slavery in there, but conveniently, churches choose to omit all the bad parts. (All you women better shut the fuck up, as the bible says you cannot talk until permitted by a man.)

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You CANT disprove or prove god, but, you CAN disprove certain religions. The earliest bible story was to have been estimated to have happened around 5000 years ago, and in Genesis, god creates man directly after the creation of the earth. This puts the earliest man and the earth, according to the bible, to be dated at around 5000 Years old and thanks to carbon dating, and the undisputable fact of millions of years of continental drift because of the plant remains found in Antartica, this is wrong.

[Supertoaster]

I don't know what I am. It's sort of Agnostic and Deist, not sure which.


I believe there is some kind of god/higher deity but not religion.

[This Toast]

Theism here.
I'm pure catholic.
1. The bible was  written by real witnesses of Christ.
2. Saints also, we're a living instrument of God.
3. Science can never answer everything and every phenomenon that happens.

[Rocket50]

1. What do you make of the things said in the bible supporting sexism, racism, anti-homosexualism, slavery, and intolerance for other religions

    - When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished.  If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. Exodus 21:20-21
   -   If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT
   - Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." Corinthians 14:34-35


2. How come modern day religions do not follow the entire bible, yet call the bible the ultimate word of god.

    -"You must not wear clothing made of wool and linen woven together." Deuteronomy 22:11
    -"And since you are to regard them as unclean, you must not eat their meat; you must regard their carcasses as unclean. 12 Anything living in the water that does not have fins and scales is to be regarded as unclean by you." Leviticus 11:11-12
    -"In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;" Timothy 2:9 - 15

3. Again, the earliest bible story was estimated to have happened 6000 years ago, (If you take the birth of the people in Gensis, and add up the number of years between them until a birth that was actually dated, Abraham," it comes to about 6000 to maximium of 10000. According to Genesis, the earth was created at the exact instance of the universe, (Genesis 1:1-2) and was finished with life within six days of the creation of the universe, (Genesis 31) now, this conflicts with a number of things.

    a. It takes millions of years for light to reach earth from the stars
    b. Carbon dating tells us the bones left over hugely surpass this
    c. Because of radioactive decay, it's impossible that the earth was created at the exact instance of the universe
    d. Continental drift, over the periods of millions of years, put dead tropical organic matter in Antartica when there was still the Pangaea and would be impossible  to have happened within the 6000 years of our supposed existance
       -When reconnecting our continents together, mountain ranges line up, the areas containing types of dinosaurs that are seperated today realign
    e. According to the life cycle of a sun such of ours, our sun has been there for millions of years
             
   

[cogsandspigots]

I always interpreted the story of Genesis as a metaphor for God's relation with mankind.

Also, does NO ONE realize that the whole point of the New Testament was that it nullified all the rules of the Old Testament (homosexuality included) except the 10 Commandments?

[Rocket50]

I always interpreted the story of Genesis as a metaphor for God's relation with mankind.

Also, does NO ONE realize that the whole point of the New Testament was that it nullified all the rules of the Old Testament (homosexuality included) except the 10 Commandments?

So Christianity decided to choose what it wanted to believe because the original teachings were percieved by people as not moral. Well shit, if Christianity thinks that these ones are the right ones, why werent they taught in the first place? Because it's god's Word. These changes imply that man has now gotten to the level of arrogance to know better than God's Word and change the religion to suit what they, as imperfect beings think is right.

So, no, the Old Testament is not irrelevant and more of God's word than the pick-and-choose religion of today

[๖Ϝцzsioᴎ]

I just want to say this
If there is a God then wait until we die
If there isn't a God then wait until we die

There's no solid concrete proof that he is real or not, I myself am a Christian, and I do hope and believe that God is real.

The point is, we'll find out the truth until we're dead.

[blαh2355]

You know, I never really cared let alone know about religion until a little later. That was when people were talking hurr what religion do you believe in and I'm like lolwat I don't have one so they say I'm atheist. okay.jpg, but they ask I don't believe in god right? I guess not an-  LOLHURRDURR BLAH IS AN ATHEIST AND DOESN'T BELIEVE IN GOD, YOU'RE GOING TO HELL AND BE REINCARNATED INTO A TREE. areyoufuckingkiddingme.jpg. And that is why I'm atheist, simply because I don't have a religion/belief and stay out of anything to do with religion.

/rant

[Rocket50]

I do hope and believe that God is real.

Why

[ursus]

Also, does NO ONE realize that the whole point of the New Testament was that it nullified all the rules of the Old Testament (homosexuality included) except the 10 Commandments?

Thank you, Cogs.

Anyone who uses the Mosaic Law to say that the bible is impractical in the modern day places on an intelligence level somewhat akin to a horsefly.

Yes, I'm talking to you, Rocket.

There's even an entire account in the two books of Corinthians where the apostle Paul had to counsel the congregations because they insisted that circumcision was still necessary, and it took several chapters to explain that the old laws didn't apply anymore. I can't take you guys seriously when you argue over something you only claim to know about.