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Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
« on: August 03, 2012, 10:13:36 PM »
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The God Question...
Is there a higher power?  Yes? No? Not Sure?



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Personally, I find myself to be most easily categorized as Agnostic

I feel this way due to 3 obstacles facing Christianity and applicable religions.

1. The 'word of God' comes from sinful MEN among many other religious texts with the same claim.
2. Sinless souls are born into a sinful world.
3. There is an inability to simply will true belief, something non-physical, into oneself.

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Dr. Gerald Schroeder poses some interesting scientific explanations as proof of God in his Beyond Intelligent Design.  Dr. Gerald starts with the big questions such as "Why is there existence in the first place?" and works his way towards specifics such as "Why was life already purpose driven when it came into being?"  Watch his 31 minute video hereor read the Transcription Here


Video Highlights:

"We are not sure who discovered water, but we are pretty sure it was not the fish.
When you live in an environment that is totally around you, you just take it for granted.
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"The oldest rocks that can bear fossils already have fossils of fully formed single celled life.
Nature invents photosynthesis in a snap, and starts oxygenating the atmosphere.
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"And on this earth which is so lovingly tuned for life as Scientific American points out, rocks and water, a few simple molecules, perhaps some clay, methane, ammonia, nitrogen, water and rocks become alive. Of course those rocks and water were not always rocks and water. Before that, before the earth and the solar system formed, they were stardust, of previously exploded stars. And before this, they were hydrogen and helium which is produced in the big bang, and before this they were beams of energy. So everything you see around you is condensed energy. You are made of light beams.

The fact that there is one physical creation and science is unequivocal about this, there was one physical creation, the stuff that makes up your body, and the world around you, the chair you are sitting on, the floor on which the chair rests, has been in the universe since the creation. You witnessed the creation of the universe. You were present at the creation. Not in your bodily form, but in the form of light beams, that eventually became alive, learned to send people to the moon, learned to create a violin concerto that can so beautiful, can move a person to tears, all from condensed light beams. It is quite a stretch of the imagination, that this merely happened by itself. But that is the understanding from a materialist reductionist point of view. Light beams became alive and somehow, not only did they become alive, but they became cognizant of being alive. Cognizant of awareness, of joy, light beams can laugh and feel joy. Light beams can sing, light beams can love. But that is what happened, because the only thing that is a substrate of this universe is light beams. And that is what we are made of."

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Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2012, 10:48:30 PM »
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i'm just gonna say there are things in this universe that we cannot explain. because are minds cant comprehend it. similar to a 4 dimensional object.

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Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2012, 10:54:54 PM »
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i'm just gonna say there are things in this universe that we cannot explain. because are minds cant comprehend it. similar to a 4 dimensional object.

Uhhhh... We CAN comprehend 4D objects and we've been studying it for the last hundred years



We've also gone as far as using it in calculations as 4D spacial rotations, quanternions. Tech knows about it, and Im sure Xrain knows quite a bit about it too.
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Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2012, 11:00:23 PM »
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Uhhhh... We CAN comprehend 4D objects and we've been studying it for the last hundred years



We've also gone as far as using it in calculations as 4D spacial rotations, quanternions. Tech knows about it, and Im sure Xrain knows quite a bit about it too

There is mathmatical equations for it, and even some figures showing what a 4D object might look like. but the human body doesn't see things in the 4th dimension.

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Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2012, 11:01:34 PM »
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There is mathmatical equations for it, and even some figures showing what a 4D object might look like. but the human body doesn't see things in the 4th dimension.

Of course not. But we have the basic understanding of it. And it's not that we're not capable of seeing in 4D. It's just, everything is in 3D and there is no possible way we can have 4D objects. It's like quantum foam; we can't see it, but it doesnt mean we cant understand it
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Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2012, 11:04:54 PM »
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Of course not. But we have the basis understanding of it. And it's not that we're not capable of seeing in 4D. It's just, everything is in 3D and there is no possible way we can have 4D objects

well not in this dimension at least.. but as I said there are some things we cant wrap are minds around. for instance Forever. its hard for humans to imagine never ending. because humans are made to see things from beginning to end. are version of forever is just along list of numbers. if you where to tell someone that he universe has always been and always was.. its hard for a human to imagine it.
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Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2012, 11:11:21 PM »
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well not in this dimension at least.. but as I said there are some things we cant wrap are minds around. for instance Forever. its hard for humans to imagine never ending. because humans are made to see things from beginning to end. are version of forever is just along list of numbers. if you where to tell someone that he universe has always been and always was.. its hard for a human to imagine it.

Im pretty sure people can understand infinity just fine

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Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2012, 11:21:37 PM »
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Im pretty sure people can understand infinity just fine
its easy for humans to see an object that has no end because we know it has a beginning, but a true infinite object doesn't have a beginning nor end. but then again science changes like the seasons, 100 years from now infinite could have a different meaning than it did today. that is all.
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Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2012, 11:23:38 PM »
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well not in this dimension at least.. but as I said there are some things we cant wrap are minds around. for instance Forever. its hard for humans to imagine never ending. because humans are made to see things from beginning to end. are version of forever is just along list of numbers. if you where to tell someone that he universe has always been and always was.. its hard for a human to imagine it.
Please please USE OUR NOT ARE

our = of us

are = to be


Also, God is there to explain everything the human can't understand/does not know. And to provide comfort. You give your freedom of thought for comfort and an imagined future.


its easy for humans to see an object that has no end because we know it has a beginning, but a true infinite object doesn't have a beginning nor end. but then again science changes like the seasons, 100 years from now infinite could have a different meaning than it did today.

>infinite
>no end

Does not mean no beginning.

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Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2012, 11:29:22 PM »
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There is mathmatical equations for it, and even some figures showing what a 4D object might look like. but the human body doesn't see things in the 4th dimension.

I CAN'T SEE IT SO IT DOESN'T EXIST RIGHT.


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Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2012, 11:31:25 PM »
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Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2012, 11:32:50 PM »
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You can't prove god. You can't disprove god. It may seem logical that god doesn't exist, but you can't technically disprove him, no matter how logical it is.

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Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2012, 11:38:55 PM »
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Can't prove or disprove.

Pretty much the only few reasons why organized religion hasn't fallen yet is because it gives people faith to hold on to. You don't have to believe in a god to believe faith, it's purty much your choice and all.

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Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2012, 11:39:42 PM »
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If there is a God, why is there evil?
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Re: Scientific proof of God? Atheism vs Theism
« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2012, 11:41:32 PM »
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If there is a God, why is there evil?
To 'test' us. That's the least retarded way I can put it.
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