Reduce all weapon damage by 50% on stronghold.

[Apie2]

Deagle got nearly same presision as the snipers.
Ak too...

[Sabb]

Honestly, every uses the AK, it's a cheap weapon that REALLY isn't that good as it is... it's actually only a little better than MP5 with 2 shots instead of 3 to kill, and slightly worse accuracy and bulkier iron sight. If AK were to be changed in any way, a lot of the game mode basically be ruined... it would only turn into a shitty awp battle... no fun, not the purpose of the game.

[Deathie]

it's actually only a little better than MP5 with 2 shots instead of 3 to kill, and slightly worse accuracy and bulkier iron sight.

MP5 takes four shots.
AK has a better iron sight zoom, and like all the weapons, is 100% accurate while using the iron sight.

So no, it's not only a little better than the MP5. It's essentially an auto sniper without a scope, and even then, it has like a 3x zoom by default on it ._.

You're complaining about the game turning into an awp battle, while already the majority of it is people sniping from across the map with sub-machine guns.

[Deacon]

MP5 takes four shots.
AK has a better iron sight zoom, and like all the weapons, is 100% accurate while using the iron sight.

So no, it's not only a little better than the MP5. It's essentially an auto sniper without a scope, and even then, it has like a 3x zoom by default on it ._.

You're complaining about the game turning into an awp battle, while already the majority of it is people sniping from across the map with sub-machine guns.

its fine how it is
people will always whore their whore weapons, its just what people do.
every game has that problem

[Sabb]

MP5 takes four shots.
AK has a better iron sight zoom, and like all the weapons, is 100% accurate while using the iron sight.

So no, it's not only a little better than the MP5. It's essentially an auto sniper without a scope, and even then, it has like a 3x zoom by default on it ._.

You're complaining about the game turning into an awp battle, while already the majority of it is people sniping from across the map with sub-machine guns.

It's really not as OP as you're saying it is... I don't see how it's iron sights are good actually, I find them somewhat difficult, and MUCH prefer the MP5 sights. And I'm 9001% certain it takes 3 shots to anything but head and possibly foot.

[blαh2355]

I have M4A2 and I don't see a big difference between the AK

[Deathie]

It's really not as OP as you're saying it is... I don't see how it's iron sights are good actually, I find them somewhat difficult, and MUCH prefer the MP5 sights. And I'm 9001% certain it takes 3 shots to anything but head and possibly foot.

MP5's do 26 damage.

And I guess the iron sight thing is just a matter of opinion I guess.

I just don't think people should be able to snipe with a weapon that's supposed to be inaccurate.

[Deacon]

MP5's do 26 damage.

And I guess the iron sight thing is just a matter of opinion I guess.

I just don't think people should be able to snipe with a weapon that's supposed to be inaccurate.

well unless you want to rewrite the code it'll not be any different.
I COMPLETELY agree with you buy the way...a 9mm gun with an 8" barrel should not reliably shoot beyond 200m

[YoBI]

The guns really are fine. RoaringCow spent months tweaking them to be both realistic and balanced.
Sure, the deagle is a 1 hit kill, but it only has 7 rounds in a mag and the firing animation blocks your vision.
You should be able to take out any deagle user of equal skill with an automatic weapon.

As for the AK-47, it's fine too.
The high damage is mitigated by greater recoil and spread than weapons like the M4A2.
If you want to do anything to it, raise the price. It took me 30 minutes to buy a permanent AK on your server.

Stronghold was designed to be a fast paced, reflex based fps with realistic weapons, and it succeeds.
Please don't decide to change things just because a few bad players want the guns that kill them to take 8 shots to kill.

[Deathie]

As for the AK-47, it's fine too.
The high damage is mitigated by greater recoil and spread than weapons like the M4A2.

Again,
Sniping across the map
with an AK 47
is not realistic
at all.

And the AK has almost on recoil at all.

[blαh2355]

Well the recoil is only against you if you're like spamming it randomly but if you're firing across the map and since it only takes about 1-2 shots, the recoil won't do anything.

[Archemyde]

Again,
Sniping across the map
with an AK 47
is not realistic
at all.

And the AK has almost on recoil at all.

It's a game. It's supposed to be fun, Not realistic.

[YoBI]

Again,
Sniping across the map
with an AK 47
is not realistic
at all.

And the AK has almost on recoil at all.

The AK-47's effective range is MUCH larger than any of the Stronghold maps...
It's accurate within 2-4 inches at 100 meters.
And it does have a fair amount of recoil, try using the other assault rifles.

If you made all of the assault rifles useless at range, sniping would become incredibly overpowered.
Snipers have a huge advantage over assault rifles as it is, I don't see what you're complaining about.

Well the recoil is only against you if you're like spamming it randomly but if you're firing across the map and since it only takes about 1-2 shots, the recoil won't do anything.

Well you could say th more accurate. By the way, a headshot with any primary is a 1 hit kill.
When I went on the server it was mostly auto-sniper spam anyway, but I did fine against AK-47s and AWPs alike.
This game rewards skill. The AK-47 isn't even the best assault rifle for evee same for the M4A2 and P90 as as well, only they'rery situation or play style, so don't nerf it just because it's powerful and popular.

[Rocket50]

>MFW realistic guns

Also, the M4A2 actually has MORE recoil and MORE of a screen block.

Please don't decide to change things just because a few bad players want the guns that kill them to take 8 shots to kill.

ad hominem fallacy.

BAD YOBI. BAD.

[YoBI]

>MFW realistic guns

Also, the M4A2 actually has MORE recoil and MORE of a screen block.

It has less recoil and less spread...
Honestly, you shouldn't even begin to talk about balance if you can't tell.

ad hominem fallacy.

BAD YOBI. BAD.

You can't take one sentence out of context call it ad hominem.
I logically explained why the guns were fine.
That last line was clearly hyperbolic and independent of the argument.
How's high school English treating you?

I know that not everyone wants the AK-47 to take 8 hits, but even your suggestion of making the AK-47 a 3 hit kill would make the AK-47 worse than the P90 and M4A2 in every respect.
These are things you have to consider before you start talking about balance.