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I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Nemisous:
--- Quote from: Tezuni on July 30, 2014, 06:59:31 PM ---Well there's always civilian casualties in conflicts. Considering Hamas was elected by the Palestinians, the fact that Hamas hides among civilians, the refusal of and breaking of cease fires by Hamas, the size of Gaza, and the warnings Israel gives before striking, it's hard to blame Israel for the heavy civilian casualties we're seeing in the the region. These are relevant factors to consider when making a comparison between this conflict and the one between Russia and Ukraine.
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Okay let me break it down Nemi style.
1. Of course Hamas is going to hide among civilians, but does that make it okay for Israel to attack civilian areas? how far can Israel use the "Hamas made me do it' line.
2. Hamas only refused the cease-fires on the account that Hamas was never notified nor where they apart of the negotiations.
3. Also while it is good they at least give some sort of warning, but honestly a lot of people have a hard time evacuating due to the short time they are given and the flood of other people trying to get out, and even if they do escape where do they go? the UN shelters aren't safe and they cant leave the strip. Israel and Egypt wont let them.
judging by how the world reacted to Russia's annexing of Crimea, the world would be up in arms if Russia did something like this.
Tezuni:
Guys I think you misunderstand my point. I am not justifying Israel's killing of innocents (nor blaming them), I'm pointing out how the civilian casualties from Israel's rockets are unavoidable short of Israel ceasing fire all together. And it's hard to expect them to cease firing when Hamas readily attacks them after doing so. I haven't read up on the history of Israel from its' beginnings enough to judge either side morally, but the real key idea here from current events shows it's clear these losses will continue as a result of Hamas' strategy of hiding among the civilian population. It's a terrible thing to see innocent kids and other non-combatants killed in the crossfire.
saivon:
--- Quote from: Tezuni on July 31, 2014, 06:37:39 PM ---Guys I think you misunderstand my point. I am not justifying Israel's killing of innocents (nor blaming them), I'm pointing out how the civilian casualties from Israel's rockets are unavoidable short of Israel ceasing fire all together. And it's hard to expect them to cease firing when Hamas readily attacks them after doing so. I haven't read up on the history of Israel from its' beginnings enough to judge either side morally, but the real key idea here from current events shows it's clear these losses will continue as a result of Hamas' strategy of hiding among the civilian population. It's a terrible thing to see innocent kids and other non-combatants killed in the crossfire.
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I disagree with you. So now you are saying that you are justifying hamas killings innocents in this crosfire very hypocritical.
Prox:
--- Quote from: Tezuni on July 31, 2014, 06:37:39 PM ---Guys I think you misunderstand my point. I am not justifying Israel's killing of innocents (nor blaming them), I'm pointing out how the civilian casualties from Israel's rockets are unavoidable short of Israel ceasing fire all together. And it's hard to expect them to cease firing when Hamas readily attacks them after doing so. I haven't read up on the history of Israel from its' beginnings enough to judge either side morally, but the real key idea here from current events shows it's clear these losses will continue as a result of Hamas' strategy of hiding among the civilian population. It's a terrible thing to see innocent kids and other non-combatants killed in the crossfire.
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So you're saying that it is Hamas to blame for the Palestinian casualties?
Nemisous:
--- Quote from: Tezuni on July 31, 2014, 06:37:39 PM ---Guys I think you misunderstand my point. I am not justifying Israel's killing of innocents (nor blaming them), I'm pointing out how the civilian casualties from Israel's rockets are unavoidable short of Israel ceasing fire all together. And it's hard to expect them to cease firing when Hamas readily attacks them after doing so. I haven't read up on the history of Israel from its' beginnings enough to judge either side morally, but the real key idea here from current events shows it's clear these losses will continue as a result of Hamas' strategy of hiding among the civilian population. It's a terrible thing to see innocent kids and other non-combatants killed in the crossfire.
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so your just buying into the whole "Hamas made me do it " gig eh? as a major power and leader in the world Israel has an obligation to look out for the lives of not only its own citizens but the citizens of others. because israel wouldn't bomb building in Israel firing rockets they would send special forces. its just amazing that Israel and the west do nothing but repeat the same scripted argument about how Israel lives in terror. if you want to know terror then go to Gaza. "that" is state terrorism.
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