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I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Prox:
--- Quote from: Jhon on August 05, 2014, 01:03:32 PM ---I haven't used the site before so I don't know myself, but you might be able to find this on other sites since I've seen it at some other site before.
Do you seriously still believe Hamas isn't using Palestinian civilian as human shields?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=816787158344156&set=vb.125249070831305&type=2&theater
Now I know this is by the IDF, but those are true nontheless. If you want I can find more of these also from other sources. It's a FACT Hamas uses Palestinian civilians as human shields, as much as you don't want to believe it.
By the way, "the don't have a choice" so that makes it ok to store weapons at schools? But it's not ok to shoot back?
Also, are you aware of the tunnel system they've dug in-order to infiltrate cities in Israel, where they also store weaponary and ammunition? They could've used these tunnels to hide civilians from bombardments. Also, all of that concrete they used for those tunnels is most likely the same one Israel has supplied them to re-build facilities. It can't be proven though.
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I don't think I said anything about Hamas using Palestinians as human shields, I remember we had this conversation before and I showed you a video where Israelis seemed to be using Palestinians as human shields as well.
Now while it's possible that Hamas uses Palestinians as human shields chances are it doesn't happen as much as Israel says they do.
Also I'm not sure if those tunnels would be a good idea to hide the Palestinians since they're probably just that, tunnels. Can you imagine living in a tunnel especially when there's bombings going on? They could be buried alive in there.
--- Quote from: Jhon on August 05, 2014, 01:03:32 PM ---Teaching little kids to hate a certain group like that is horrible, no matter if it's Palestinians or Israelis. Israeli settlers aren't looked at nicely by many Israelis, especially those extremists types. But teaching them that suicide bombing is a good thing? That's on a whole new level. Doesn't matter how much you hate a certain group, teaching kids that suicide bombing is good just tells you what are they capable of (human shields perhaps?). I wouldn't be surprised if some of those children are encouraged to bomb themselves so they'll have more pictures to show. As bad as that may sound. Though there are no proofs for that as much as I know.
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They talk about bombing being okay for a couple of reasons I believe, one of which is that there's not much else then can do when they feel that they want to defend their homeland and help their people, it's a desperate attempt the other reason is because they're Muslims and they view this whole thing differently then we do. It's obviously a stupid thing to do but I suppose that a feeling of helplessness against the invasion makes them think different.
--- Quote from: Jhon on August 05, 2014, 01:03:32 PM ---
And have you heard about the Arab revolt at 1936? It was in response to the British, but they also called for a ban against the immigration of more Jews, who came because of the situation in Europe. In addition to the Jews that were already living there (yes, some Jews did stay in Israel all of those years before, mainly at Jerusalem). Even before that, at 1920, arabs assaulted Jews and "defended their holy places from Jews". Even arab villages were attacked by other arabs if they were sympathetic to Jews. The "leadership" of the Jews wanted to avoid violence as much as possible, they were the "Haganah". "Lehi" and "Etzel" were the groups founded later on and those were the aggressive groups that thought not doing anything would eventually lead to more dead Jews and further discrimination by the British. I don't know if they were right or wrong, but they were they main reason the state of Israel was created.
From that you can understand the Palestinians were the ones who attacked first. And back then the Jews were minority like the Palestinians are now.
What you know about happened AFTER the arab revolt (the Jews attacking arabs, etc)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%9339_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine
Nationalist Arabs made an uprising against British colonial rule to demand Independence and stop massive Jewish immigration. I knew that there were jews living there before this and as far as I know they all lived rather peacefully.
Also this is an interesting article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_insurgency_in_Palestine that supports my argument that jews immigrated into Palestine and literally took over it in what we see today as a state of Israel.
Even your mention of the 1936 Arab revolt supports my claim. Jews began massively immigrating to Palestine where there was a muslim majority and jew minority where jews eventually took over but not without the help from other big countries obviously where jews already had some sort of influence.
Basically, in any way you look, jew's came into that land as legal and illegal immigrants and took over it.
--- Quote from: Jhon on August 05, 2014, 01:03:32 PM ---Before I check the links you've posted, did you know that since the war has begun, each cease-fire attempt has been broken within a few minutes to a few hours by the Hamas? Even humanitarian aid cease-fires. They usually prepare a large amount of missiles to shoot nearly each cease-fire and then break it by launching dozens of missiles towards a large area of Israel. I know because I can hear the missiles exploding and the sirens ofcourse (plus from friends in more southern cities).
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You can't know that. There were claims by Hamas that Israel was the one who broke the cease-fire while at the same time Israel claimed exactly the same thing about Hamas.
--- Quote from: Jhon on August 05, 2014, 01:03:32 PM ---All of those rabbis shown in the videos and the prejudice against Christians are all from religious extremists which some of them also spit at Jewish girls who wear short sleeved T-shirts. Many of those types are against the current state of Israel and would like a completely religious Jewish state with all non-believers out of Israel. They aren't the majority of Israeli citizens and they are disliked by many.
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Your leaders doesn't seem to mind them though.
--- Quote from: Jhon on August 05, 2014, 01:03:32 PM ---About the African migrants, I know all about it and I'm aware it's a serious problem in Israel. On one hand there are a lot of citizens who want to help them, but there were many cases of rape and brutal murder by those migrants so the majority of the populace wants to kick them out of the country. Many use the arguement that they are Muslims so they should go to Egypt or Jordan, but Israel is the only country in the area that somewhat accepts them. It's difficult to solve this and I think Israel needs help from outside with this one.
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I'm against the illegal immigration myself, especially immigration from poor non-white countries from which people immigrate to leech off other countries goods. What I have a problem with is how the jewish groups support immigration to white countries while at the same time they don't mention or oppose it to Israel.
Now let's say that all of what you said about Hamas is 100% true. How does that stack up against what Israel has done to the Palestinians and other countries which I mentioned in my previous post?
I'm sure I could find the links/videos with links supporting every single claim I made there if you'd like.
saivon:
John aren't you from Israel or is that some other rnd member?
Tezuni:
Some interesting developments in this conflict:
* Israel bombed several UN buildings and shelters
* Obama said they went too far
* Netanyahu said "the U.S. is easy to move" and told Obama "Do not ever second guess me again".
What exactly does Israel have on the U.S. that keeps Obama on this Netanyahu's leash and the U.S. sending billions to their country? Oil?
saivon:
--- Quote from: Tezuni on August 05, 2014, 06:42:20 PM ---Some interesting developments in this conflict:
* Israel bombed several UN buildings and shelters
* Obama said they went too far
* Netanyahu said "the U.S. is easy to move" and told Obama "Do not ever second guess me again".
What exactly does Israel have on the U.S. that keeps Obama on this Netanyahu's leash and the U.S. sending billions to their country? Oil?
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Half life 3 :trollface:
Prox:
--- Quote from: Tezuni on August 05, 2014, 06:42:20 PM ---Some interesting developments in this conflict:
* Israel bombed several UN buildings and shelters
* Obama said they went too far
* Netanyahu said "the U.S. is easy to move" and told Obama "Do not ever second guess me again".
What exactly does Israel have on the U.S. that keeps Obama on this Netanyahu's leash and the U.S. sending billions to their country? Oil?
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Massive political influence over US foreign and domestic policy(for example AIPAC, literally a lobby made for a foreign nation)
Janet Yellen, third jew in a row "elected" as head of the federal reserve which is responsible for printing USA dollars.
Then there's this thing: Spoiler (click to show/hide)Basically they have a major influence over US politics, media and finance.
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