New Gender Options for Facebook Users

[Cake Faice]

Consider what you just said as it's incredibly easy to apply to probably all of your posts on this thread.
Actually that's becoming debatable, regardless to what you or I may have been taught.

Ofxord dictionary's definition of gender:
Merriam-Webster dictionary's definition of gender:
Both are reliable dictionaries but Oxford's expands a little bit past the two options. It's possible that the definition could change and that gender could be defined by the person rather than their genitalia.

The definition was put there for a reason in the first place. The only way it would change is if everyone goes "everything is social construct" and start rallying to change the official definitions of gender. If it's not broken, then why does it need to be fixed?

[Sabb]

The definition was put there for a reason in the first place. The only way it would change is if everyone goes "everything is social construct" and start rallying to change the official definitions of gender. If it's not broken, then why does it need to be fixed?

Language and the way words are used is by no means definite and changes as a majority begin to use the word differently.

[ursus]

The definition was put there for a reason in the first place. The only way it would change is if everyone goes "everything is social construct" and start rallying to change the official definitions of gender. If it's not broken, then why does it need to be fixed?

Why should anything ever change? The world worked just fine when everyone rode horses and walked everywhere. The only instant communication we need can be accomplished by telegraph. How minimalist and traditional is your ideal society?

[Cake Faice]

Why should anything ever change? The world worked just fine when everyone rode horses and walked everywhere. The only instant communication we need can be accomplished by telegraph. How minimalist and traditional is your ideal society?

That's the thing though, not all change is good. In our current society, we have very few traditions left because left-wing extremists go "too offensive ban plz". The tradition of marriage is already a joke now, how is burning out all old traditions ever a good thing in your ideal society?

[ursus]

That's the thing though, not all change is good. In our current society, we have very few traditions left because left-wing extremists go "too offensive ban plz". The tradition of marriage is already a joke now, how is burning out all old traditions ever a good thing in your ideal society?

How is it not? "Tradition" is just something that's used to justify a custom without having to back it up logically. Do you think that it's a bad thing that we've abandoned the tradition of legally being allowed to duel someone to the death with pistols? Slavery was a tradition for thousands of years until we realized that it was harmful and unethical. Traditional Christian marriage was over when divorce was legal anyway, why should it matter what someone else does in their own lives now?

[Prox]

Is being fat a social construct?

Consider what you just said as it's incredibly easy to apply to probably all of your posts on this thread.

The tolerance groups want to impose their views on us so it's only logical that I retaliate in the same way.

Actually that's becoming debatable, regardless to what you or I may have been taught.

It's becoming debatable not because science thinks it's necessary, but because the very same "oppressed minority" groups want to change it so that it would suit them because right now some facts are "racist" by their definition.

[MASS NOUN] the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones):

A place as famous as Oxford university will obviously share politically correct views. Also the quote says that it is being used by people in this way instead of what it actually means in science and to be honest I rarely ever see people refer to genders as social or cultural constructs.

So valid opinions can't be formed from a person's emotion? I would have to disagree. You don't better any group of individuals by only considering your own emotions and opinions. Besides, I don't feel he's doing that at all. He's supported what he's said with his own valid logic where you're disregarding everything he's said because he's gone to "tumblr-tier." You're actually letting your emotion effect your posts far more than he is, you even refuse to acknowledge his points now because you think he's just so stupid.

There is nothing valid about his logic on gender. And seriously I've already said many times that it is not the first time I hear arguments that are like the ones gamefreak has posted, I'm not going to sit there and put my honest effort into refuting his points because this is a subject that doesn't really require much explanation, I would probably be literally repeating my previous posts and for what? For yet another pointless wall of text that I would have to use the same arguments to refute because really that would be all it would take.

[Cake Faice]

How is it not? "Tradition" is just something that's used to justify a custom without having to back it up logically. Do you think that it's a bad thing that we've abandoned the tradition of legally being allowed to duel someone to the death with pistols? Slavery was a tradition for thousands of years until we realized that it was harmful and unethical. Traditional Christian marriage was over when divorce was legal anyway, why should it matter what someone else does in their own lives now?

Some progression was justified, some progression was not. A fine example is the whole politically correct push. You're offensive if you say this, you're offensive if you say that, please respect my feelings. Like god, everyone's too afraid of speaking their mind without accidentally "offending" someone. I'm not talking about being an asshole with freespeech, I'm talking about stupid shit like "plz don't joke I'm 1/16th Chinese" and every little thing that could offend someone.

[Sabb]

Is being fat a social construct?



The tolerance groups want to impose their views on us so it's only logical that I retaliate in the same way.

It's becoming debatable not because science thinks it's necessary, but because the very same "oppressed minority" groups want to change it so that it would suit them because right now some facts are "racist" by their definition.
A place as famous as Oxford university will obviously share politically correct views. Also the quote says that it is being used by people in this way instead of what it actually means in science and to be honest I rarely ever see people refer to genders as social or cultural constructs.
There is nothing valid about his logic on gender. And seriously I've already said many times that it is not the first time I hear arguments that are like the ones gamefreak has posted, I'm not going to sit there and put my honest effort into refuting his points because this is a subject that doesn't really require much explanation, I would probably be literally repeating my previous posts and for what? For yet another pointless wall of text that I would have to use the same arguments to refute because really that would be all it would take.

As I restated on Steam and will do so again, sex remains limited to male and female, gender would simply be a more broad word covering more options. Science would by no means be stating that there are other genders than there are currently, it has nothing to do with that.
Though I'm not saying that gender actually does currently cover more than the traditional genders, nor do I think ursus is. That doesn't mean it can't changed or be used otherwise is all I'm saying.

[Frank]

>Is being fat a social construct?

I seriously hoped I wouldn't have to post this, but I do.



Shiggy diggy bo-biggy
Banana-fana fo-figgy
Mee-Mi-mo-miggy
Shiggy!

[Cake Faice]

>Is being fat a social construct?

I seriously hoped I wouldn't have to post this, but I do.



Shiggy diggy bo-biggy
Banana-fana fo-figgy
Mee-Mi-mo-miggy
Shiggy!

Muh highly qualified medical physician with decades of experience and harvard degrees doesn't know a thing about muh body.

[ursus]

Is being fat a social construct?

Actually, since you asked, in a sense it is. "Fat" is a subjective judgment based on someone's weight, which is just a number to describe the weight of your body. If someone has 1% body fat but their bone structure is so large that they weigh 300 pounds, are they fat? If they are, on whose authority? Being overweight/diabetic to the point that it affects your health is not a social construct, but "fat" is simply a judgment passed down through the media to make people spend more money on diet programs and gym memberships. There is no social or cultural benefit to insulting people based on their weight.

The tolerance groups want to impose their views on us so it's only logical that I retaliate in the same way.

How do you define  "imposing?" Is asking you to acknowledge their existence and allow them to live peacefully "imposing their views?"

It's becoming debatable not because science thinks it's necessary, but because the very same "oppressed minority" groups want to change it so that it would suit them because right now some facts are "racist" by their definition.

You do know we're discussing gender, right? What does racism have to do with this?

You talk about minority groups trying to make their own lives tolerable as if that's a bad thing.

A place as famous as Oxford university will obviously share politically correct views. Also the quote says that it is being used by people in this way instead of what it actually means in science and to be honest I rarely ever see people refer to genders as social or cultural constructs.

You're literally dismissing the dictionary on the basis that you think they're trying to be "politically correct," another buzzword that holds no real meaning. Not offending people isn't a crime, it's just an act of human decency.

You rarely see people refer to gender as a social/cultural construct because you refuse to acknowledge them. Do you think that /pol/ and reddit are the only two sources of real human opinions on the planet? I don't see many people complaining about Jews or social degenerates because I don't associate myself with those communities.

There is nothing valid about his logic on gender.

Prove it. Bring up even once piece of concrete evidence against my point. Please.

And seriously I've already said many times that it is not the first time I hear arguments that are like the ones gamefreak has posted,

That doesn't change anything. This sentence is unnecessary.

I'm not going to sit there and put my honest effort into refuting his points because this is a subject that doesn't really require much explanation,

Really? If it didn't require explanation then I wouldn't have to ask you to explain it. You're refusing to reveal the facts behind your reasoning, which is not a valid logical structure I've heard of.

I would probably be literally repeating my previous posts and for what? For yet another pointless wall of text that I would have to use the same arguments to refute because really that would be all it would take.

If it's so easy and you've done it so many times before, show me the posts. I'll argue against those too. You're still refusing to actually answer to anything I claim.

Muh highly qualified medical physician with decades of experience and harvard degrees doesn't know a thing about muh body.

Read the first paragraph of this post.

[Cake Faice]

Actually, since you asked, in a sense it is. "Fat" is a subjective judgment based on someone's weight, which is just a number to describe the weight of your body. If someone has 1% body fat but their bone structure is so large that they weigh 300 pounds, are they fat? If they are, on whose authority? Being overweight/diabetic to the point that it affects your health is not a social construct, but "fat" is simply a judgment passed down through the media to make people spend more money on diet programs and gym memberships. There is no social or cultural benefit to insulting people based on their weight.

Gamefreak, being fat isn't a social construct. Weight means a whole lot more than a number. Obviously if they're 7 feet tall and weight 300 pounds with most being muscle mass, they're not fat. But if you're under 6 foot and weight 300lbs that isn't just muscle mass, you're fat/morbidly obese, and you will begin having health problems.



You're right, she isn't fat, she doesn't need to go to the gym to spend money of fat and diet programs.

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I bothered to read though this entire thread, every single line and every single argumentative statement/constructive debate/citation/derisive paragraph/etc. While I was doing that, I went from wanting to post, to not wanting to post, to following what everyone was saying, and then just not wanting to continue reading. This thread has literally begun to make me feel liek poop(?), and I can't really determine what it is, but somewhere along the way something just made me so discontented I just... don't even know. Maybe I'm just being silly. I don't even know if that's the right word.

I'm pretty open-minded/unbiased about the subject and what people have to say about it, and on the first page I was going to post a sentence or two about x or y just because two cents and blah blah discussion, but there were a lot of valid points in this thread in respect to the subject itself... and then there were some silly things afterwards IMO, which felt weird because it was getting really damned serious and people were making some nice, if not concurrent/more-or-less equal points for/against whatever (and then suddenly nope and then a mixture of somewhat vehement personal statements and I don't even know anymore). Also, because I know everyone in this thread isn't "actually retarded" at all, a lot of you are pretty damn smart to begin with. An example is when Prox typed for us:

I know I'm going to use a strawman for this

When I have seen him type things that had little to no logical fallacies to begin with. Why? What is the point of continuing this thread if...?

pls

I don't know what hasn't been said yet that I can actually say besides anything that isn't really related or relevant to the topic itself. I think maybe I really just don't want to say anything at all. On top of that, to me it feels like we suddenly went sideways and now we're alternating between a whole bunch of other unrelated things loaded with satire/contempt/penitence and related things being given little to no attention besides the occasional reply/sincerity/seriousness... wat.

Suddenly, nope. I don't want to continue, and I am going to try to forget that this thread happened.

I figured I may as well post something, especially because now I'm kind of just wat'ing deep down inside. I probably didn't even need to post anything to begin with.

tl;dr This thread actually made me a little angry, not because of the context but the structuring of the thread, and how much of it is making me word I don't even know right now. I don't even think angry is the right word (it probably isn't). Maybe it's for nothing, but I don't want to read this thread anymore and yet I might continue while regret having done so. I can't say anything that hasn't been said/can be said better, but I posted something because I originally intended to, and felt like I'd be cheating myself if I didn't post.

[ursus]

Gamefreak, being fat isn't a social construct. Weight means a whole lot more than a number. Obviously if they're 7 feet tall and weight 300 pounds with most being muscle mass, they're not fat. But if you're under 6 foot and weight 300lbs that isn't just muscle mass, you're fat/morbidly obese, and you will begin having health problems.



You're right, she isn't fat, she doesn't need to go to the gym to spend money of fat and diet programs.

I wasn't referring to extremes. I'm talking about differences so minor that nobody in their right mind would care, but people will attack them for not being thin enough. The woman in your picture is definitely overweight from a medical perspective. It was just a side-point I decided to bring up in response to prox's example.

[Prox]

Actually, since you asked, in a sense it is. "Fat" is a subjective judgment based on someone's weight, which is just a number to describe the weight of your body. If someone has 1% body fat but their bone structure is so large that they weigh 300 pounds, are they fat? If they are, on whose authority? Being overweight/diabetic to the point that it affects your health is not a social construct, but "fat" is simply a judgment passed down through the media to make people spend more money on diet programs and gym memberships. There is no social or cultural benefit to insulting people based on their weight.

There is nothing wrong in media or other people encouraging overweight people to start losing weight. Being overweight isn't even healthy to begin with so it is good that society wants everyone to seek perfection because that way we can progress faster.

How do you define  "imposing?" Is asking you to acknowledge their existence and allow them to live peacefully "imposing their views?"

Implementing changes trough political pressure against people's will or using mainstream media as a propaganda machine to persuade people into it. There are already plenty of laws that cover the discrimination issue plus many of the laws that defend the rights of majority also defend the rights of minority. You can't beat, rob, kill etc. minorities, they really do have enough laws that let them live just fine, except they often like to think that they're being targeted because they're different when often it just happens that they were just simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time, I'm obviously not saying that it is like that all the time. Also it is worth mentioning that not all laws that apply to majority may be compatible with minorities.

You do know we're discussing gender, right? What does racism have to do with this?

You talk about minority groups trying to make their own lives tolerable as if that's a bad thing.

I've used racism as an example. Also if minorities want to be tolerated they must live up to the moral standards of everyone else instead of "LOOK AT ME GUISE IM GAY".

You're literally dismissing the dictionary on the basis that you think they're trying to be "politically correct," another buzzword that holds no real meaning. Not offending people isn't a crime, it's just an act of human decency.

I've used the term and then I also provided more detailed explanation about the Oxford's definition of gender.

You rarely see people refer to gender as a social/cultural construct because you refuse to acknowledge them. Do you think that /pol/ and reddit are the only two sources of real human opinions on the planet? I don't see many people complaining about Jews or social degenerates because I don't associate myself with those communities.

Sources of real human opinions I've seen: real life, biology lessons, all the documentary about animals and nature that I've seen, youtube, almost every place on the Internet I've ever been, and /pol/ too.

Prove it. Bring up even once piece of concrete evidence against my point. Please.


That doesn't change anything. This sentence is unnecessary.


Really? If it didn't require explanation then I wouldn't have to ask you to explain it. You're refusing to reveal the facts behind your reasoning, which is not a valid logical structure I've heard of.


If it's so easy and you've done it so many times before, show me the posts. I'll argue against those too. You're still refusing to actually answer to anything I claim.

Please refer at my posts on the first page of this thread for more info.

When I have seen him type things that had little to no logical fallacies to begin with. Why? What is the point of continuing this thread if...?

I used that to show how simply gender can be defined, or at least how pretty much everyone in here defines it.