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Re: New Gender Options for Facebook Users
« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2014, 07:36:44 PM »
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jesus christ I knew this would happen once I read OP
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Re: New Gender Options for Facebook Users
« Reply #31 on: February 16, 2014, 08:05:26 PM »
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jesus christ I knew this would happen once I read OP

i knew it was bait from the beginning but it just looked so fun and delicious

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Re: New Gender Options for Facebook Users
« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2014, 08:28:47 PM »
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i knew it was bait from the beginning but it just looked so fun and delicious
You know he's serous right?



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Re: New Gender Options for Facebook Users
« Reply #33 on: February 16, 2014, 08:44:24 PM »
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You know he's serous right?

I know he's serious

but I also know he's aware of how far-right wing his opinions are and he said himself that he's desperate for discussion, which is why he deliberately phrased the OP in the worst way possible

that's baiting a flame war imo as if it wasn't bad enough that he said it in the first place, like referring to transgender people as a form of "degeneracy" or going out of his way to express disdain at the fact that one of the people in the video was jewish (i don't know WHY coolz or any of you would tolerate that in the first place, he's implicitly expressing support for genocide/eugenics with those comments)

either that or he's just a walking hate machine, who knows

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Re: New Gender Options for Facebook Users
« Reply #34 on: February 16, 2014, 08:46:43 PM »
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I know he's serious

but I also know he's aware of how far-right wing his opinions are and he said himself that he's desperate for discussion, which is why he deliberately phrased the OP in the worst way possible

that's baiting a flame war imo as if it wasn't bad enough that he said it in the first place, like referring to transgender people as a form of "degeneracy" or going out of his way to express disdain at the fact that one of the people in the video was jewish (i don't know WHY coolz or any of you would tolerate that in the first place, he's implicitly expressing support for genocide/eugenics with those comments)

either that or he's just a walking hate machine, who knows
Idk, Prox is just into that kind of political stuff and discussing touchy stuff. See previous serious discussions.

Prox you should become a politician and see where that gets you.



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Re: New Gender Options for Facebook Users
« Reply #35 on: February 16, 2014, 08:49:11 PM »
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Idk, Prox is just into that kind of political stuff and discussing touchy stuff. See previous serious discussions.

Prox you should become a politician and see where that gets you.

are you actually taking sincere anti-semitism seriously as a political view

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Re: New Gender Options for Facebook Users
« Reply #36 on: February 16, 2014, 08:59:30 PM »
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are you actually taking sincere anti-semitism seriously as a political view
It's a serious political view, no matter how much you disagree with it. Some people honestly think that way.
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Re: New Gender Options for Facebook Users
« Reply #37 on: February 16, 2014, 09:01:18 PM »
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are you actually taking sincere anti-semitism seriously as a political view
Is it not? I don't agree with it but it's still a political view.



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Re: New Gender Options for Facebook Users
« Reply #38 on: February 17, 2014, 07:33:19 AM »
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Well, allow me.



"I've talked to people before! I usually try to argue with people when I talk to them, but this time I can't because you're just so stupid. You're using arguments from an imaginary group of people that I disagree with, and that's a valid excuse for me to give up and still think I'm right."

Even though I could probably get away with just saying "This requires no explanation" and then leaving much like you, I've decided that I don't want to debate on the same level.

Your references to separate discussions are irrelevant. This is a separate issue from whatever you think you've debated before, and you can't bring backup ethos from the past to support your points.

It doesn't matter if you think it's "the stupidest shit" you've ever seen. You don't get to dismiss things because you think they're stupid. I'm still talking to you, after all.

Also, what is a "social justice warrior?" There is no formally recognized group called the Social Justice Warriors. You're attempting to passively refute my argument by saying that it's on the same level as a group of people that many also dismiss with an appeal to incredulity ("I cannot believe this, therefore it is false").

"Even though I'm literally admitting that I'm unable to win this argument, I still win this argument because I say so. My viewpoint is so obviously right that I don't even have to defend it, because I'm so right."

So, not caring makes you the clear winner? Just because you admit that you cannot produce a counter-argument does not excuse you from the implications of your admission. If you're unable to respond to my argument, don't pretend to have already disproven it.

Stating that your viewpoint is so basic and universally accepted that it does not need to be proven is not a valid argument. If a billion people think that the Earth is the center of the solar system, this does not make them correct.

"Yes, giving people basic human rights is actually my authority because I also say so. The majority should always be allowed to infringe upon the rights of minorities because it's our job and we've earned it by being the majority."

My point from your previous quote stands. A viewpoint is not automatically correct because a majority of people hold it. Why are we the ones who should "dictate things?" You're not even a majority, you're Lithuanian. Your country is smaller than my thumb on a map. Does being American, a citizen of the most powerful military nation in the world, give me the authority to dictate aspects of your personal life? Think carefully.


"Even though this issue admittedly doesn't threaten my rights, it will still confuse people on other issues in which I also believe my stubbornly held viewpoints are so right that I don't even need to defend them. If we give more people the capacity to lead normal personal lives we will lower our morals, which is still my authority to judge even though morals are purely subjective. We have to keep these subjective morals high from my standpoint, because people can't do what they want even if it doesn't affect anyone else, because I say so."

Just because the majority of people are too lazy to understand a new concept does not mean that it should not be introduced. You're using deliberately vague terms like "general understanding of basic things" and "craziness" and "nation's moral standards," or especially "do and be whatever the hell you want." Pissing in the general direction of my argument also does not refute it.

What nation? Again, you don't even live in the USA. You don't even live in North America. How is this an issue to you? What is "craziness?" Is craziness just a term for something that you disagree with?

Regarding the last sentence, I'll take this opportunity to remind you that transgender people do not choose to be what they already are. They simply choose the terms and concepts to describe themselves as accurately and precisely as possible, something that you have produced no valid reason so far to be in opposition to.


I'm actually not even sure how to sarcastically paraphrase this. Are you really complaining that every single change in society doesn't get checked by you? Who elected you supreme ruler of the human race? Also, Facebook is not a right. Facebook is a company and a service, a service you are not obligated to continue using. If you don't like the choices OTHER PEOPLE have in affording themselves a comfortable experience on one website, then don't use it. Are you being forced to change your gender identity? Nobody is saying that you're no longer a male. Has someone held you at gunpoint or threatened to kill your family if you don't change your gender on Facebook? You're directing so much anger at this that one would think so.


To quote a favorite post of mine, from your least favorite website --



But really, what? What kind of argument is this? If this is what it takes to get you to believe that these people exist, here's a picture of one of my non-binary friends with their cat:

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If anything, this should at least show you that they aren't constantly shoving their gender in your face. Would you have known that they sincerely describe themselves as "genderfluid" if I hadn't told you? Were you expecting a picture of an alien? We're still talking about actual humans here, something you don't seem to like very much.


How is this relevant?

"Now that I'm done telling you how right I am, you should tell me who gave you this viewpoint because that's totally important. I should also inform you that I willfully frequent a board known for its views that closely align with neo-nazism. This somehow improves my argument."

Are you also going to imply that because my views have changed at some point, that also proves that they are wrong? Is a viewpoint only worth something to you if someone has stubbornly held it their entire life, the literal opposite of what produces an intelligent society? Nobody "taught" me to respect minorities, I realized that it was the right course of action on my own simply by associating with them normally and realizing that their problems were legitimate. How many transgender people are you friends with? How many have you even attempted to have a normal conversation with? Do you also think that Black people all drive expensive cars, smoke weed, and rape/murder innocent people? The way in which you're forming and asserting your opinions on world events and issues is like trying to rebuild a car while Bill O'Reilly instructs you based on the one time he replaced his back tires. Do you think that I would be qualified and also entitled to hold political office in your home country because I read a few threads on /pol/ about it?

Consider yourself lucky that no matter what opinion you hold on this, it will never affect your mental health or physical safety. Some people aren't as fortunate, mostly because of people like you.


For the most part, I'm sorry that I don't have the will of iron that would be required to type this out in a less aggressive tone. I'd have liked to discuss this in a way that ended with one of us saying "Oh, I guess I never realized that" and leaving the thread in peace, but I suppose that's not possible here.

Back to tumblr you go.
Btw the person in your picture is either a female or a transfaggot(notice this EXTREME form of oppression guise) male.

So, Prox can make a thread with the sole purpose of being violently hateful towards multiple minorities at once and that's Admin Material (TM), but if I call  him out on it I'm suppressing his opinion? Am I reading this incorrectly?
Yeah, how dares this heterosexual white privileged cis-scum male oppress minorities with moral values and obvious facts, he is such a hater, he must be demoted!

I know he's serious

but I also know he's aware of how far-right wing his opinions are and he said himself that he's desperate for discussion, which is why he deliberately phrased the OP in the worst way possible

that's baiting a flame war imo as if it wasn't bad enough that he said it in the first place, like referring to transgender people as a form of "degeneracy" or going out of his way to express disdain at the fact that one of the people in the video was jewish (i don't know WHY coolz or any of you would tolerate that in the first place, he's implicitly expressing support for genocide/eugenics with those comments)

either that or he's just a walking hate machine, who knows
Whaaa whaaa its the holocaust all over again why dont u guise stop him!!!1111!


are you actually taking sincere anti-semitism seriously as a political view
Wow, how dares he not to like Jews after what they're doing to other people(most notably Palestinians), he must be an anti-semite! You are literally this retarded.


Lol, I don't think I've ever had a chance to witness how tumblr can delude people into becoming complete idiots who can't even look at the basic biology facts, I've only heard stories until now.
There's nothing else left to discuss for us, gamefreak, I'm not going to waste my time on trying to help you realize how wrong you are, I've seen multiple occasions on the Internet when someone tried to bring deluded people like yourself back to the real world and ultimately all of those attempts failed due to them refusing to accept any facts or arguments that prove them wrong instead they just kept brining their own arguments backed by muh feelings logic.




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Re: New Gender Options for Facebook Users
« Reply #39 on: February 17, 2014, 07:45:05 AM »
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why do you care so much Prox? let people do what they want, how does it affect you in the SLIGHTEST what someone else THINKS they are? if you can answer that properly and not with some shit about transfaggots or cis-queers then do it.

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Re: New Gender Options for Facebook Users
« Reply #40 on: February 17, 2014, 08:03:42 AM »
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Back to tumblr you go.
Btw the person in your picture is either a female or a transfaggot(notice this EXTREME form of oppression guise) male.
Yeah, how dares this heterosexual white privileged cis-scum male oppress minorities with moral values and obvious facts, he is such a hater, he must be demoted!
Whaaa whaaa its the holocaust all over again why dont u guise stop him!!!1111!

Wow, how dares he not to like Jews after what they're doing to other people(most notably Palestinians), he must be an anti-semite! You are literally this retarded.


Lol, I don't think I've ever had a chance to witness how tumblr can delude people into becoming complete idiots who can't even look at the basic biology facts, I've only heard stories until now.
There's nothing else left to discuss for us, gamefreak, I'm not going to waste my time on trying to help you realize how wrong you are, I've seen multiple occasions on the Internet when someone tried to bring deluded people like yourself back to the real world and ultimately all of those attempts failed due to them refusing to accept any facts or arguments that prove them wrong instead they just kept brining their own arguments backed by muh feelings logic.
There's no wrong or right everything discussed in this thread is an opinion. Where his originates from doesn't make it an invalid opinion. Just because he disagrees with you doesn't mean he's wrong or that you're right. I have to give Ursus credit because he has acknowledged and refuted to his best probably every point that's been provided to him. While I still disagree with his view, he's backed his argument well and maybe could have conducted himself better on here (not the only one) but he at least hasn't entirely resorted to the "wow your opinion is just so wrong that you should just stop talking," attitude. At least not enough to entirely stop debating.

I have a question though because after re-reading the comments and the original post I'm unsure. Did you make this topic with intention of just slamming minority groups and hoping everyone would jump in and agree, or were you actually prepared for a discussion or debate on it with more than one opinion?


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Re: New Gender Options for Facebook Users
« Reply #41 on: February 17, 2014, 09:15:53 AM »
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why do you care so much Prox? let people do what they want, how does it affect you in the SLIGHTEST what someone else THINKS they are? if you can answer that properly and not with some shit about transfaggots or cis-queers then do it.
It would be nice if I didn't get the gay-agenda shoved down my throat on a daily basis and being forced to believe what they believe. Just like a Christan would shove a bible in yours. Also, you're right. It doesn't effect us, but when someone openly says "I'm a trans/faggot" out of the blues in attempt to show society that he's different, he needs to get treated specially, they deserve to get called out honestly imo. Especially now since all these companies are pandering to the horrid LGBT community (cough disney cough), or else they get labeled as a bigot corporation.

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Re: New Gender Options for Facebook Users
« Reply #42 on: February 17, 2014, 09:21:39 AM »
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why do you care so much Prox? let people do what they want, how does it affect you in the SLIGHTEST what someone else THINKS they are? if you can answer that properly and not with some shit about transfaggots or cis-queers then do it.
Because things like this have potential to go mainstream and become universally accepted in USA. But what happens next? These new "values" are literally being imposed on European nations and since Lithuania is unfortunately a member of EU, our governments then get political pressure from EU to force these new "values" come into effect.
Also why shouldn't I care? Why do you think that not caring about attempts to lover moral standards of any nation is a good idea? Do you believe that ultimate tolerance will make this world better? Do you think that abolishing traditional values on which entire nations were built is a good idea? Do you think it is necessary to try and "fix" something that isn't broken? Contrary to the belief, imposing such "tolerance" laws won't make the hate in this world disappear it will only make us more divided and hostile to each other. Also do you think that those gruops who say that they want to bring tolerance to this world are tolerant themselves? Their definition of tolerance is that everyone must share their views, otherwise they can be considered as intolerant bigots.


There's no wrong or right everything discussed in this thread is an opinion. Where his originates from doesn't make it an invalid opinion. Just because he disagrees with you doesn't mean he's wrong or that you're right. I have to give Ursus credit because he has acknowledged and refuted to his best probably every point that's been provided to him. While I still disagree with his view, he's backed his argument well and maybe could have conducted himself better on here (not the only one) but he at least hasn't entirely resorted to the "wow your opinion is just so wrong that you should just stop talking," attitude. At least not enough to entirely stop debating.

I have a question though because after re-reading the comments and the original post I'm unsure. Did you make this topic with intention of just slamming minority groups and hoping everyone would jump in and agree, or were you actually prepared for a discussion or debate on it with more than one opinion?
No. I agree that there are a lot of subjects where there might not necessarily be a right or wrong opinion for example even the homosexual marriage thing, while I'm absolutely against it I'm still not absolutely sure if I could say that I'm being absolutely right or wrong, however in a thing as basic as how many genders there are, there is right and there is wrong, in this case I am right and most of you know it. Also just because gamefreak can write tons of words and sound like he's refuting my arguments it doesn't really mean anything and I could definitely refute his points if I wanted to but this wouldn't get me anywhere and would only waste my time.

And I haven't made this discussion trying to slam minorities(that of course might depend on what minority groups you think might exist), and I expected to see some arguments against my opinion that are backed with logic, not feelings or tumblr-tier arguments that I have seen hundreds of times before.



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Re: New Gender Options for Facebook Users
« Reply #43 on: February 17, 2014, 09:44:20 AM »
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Back to tumblr you go.

Back to Stormfront you go.


Btw the person in your picture is either a female or a transfaggot(notice this EXTREME form of oppression guise) male.

Really? How can you tell? Can you prove that somehow?

From another wiki article on LGBT violence that I was able to find in under 30 seconds: "It is rare for a victim to just be shot; he is more likely to be stabbed multiple times, mutilated, and strangled. "They frequently involved torture, cutting, mutilation... showing the absolute intent to rub out the human being because of his (sexual) preference""

So, yes, you could say that you're contributing to EXTREME oppression guise.


Yeah, how dares this heterosexual white privileged cis-scum male oppress minorities with moral values and obvious facts, he is such a hater, he must be demoted!

Again with the "facts so obvious I don't need to defend them" thing. I have my own moral values, but they're mine. Not America's, mine. Why are your morals more important than anyone else's? If you're still referring to transgender people as an anomaly or a disorder, do you believe that their existence is immoral? Do you suggest we execute them all to preserve our purity?


Whaaa whaaa its the holocaust all over again why dont u guise stop him!!!1111!

You referred to a group of people as degenerates and attacked someone's viewpoint on the basis that they were Jewish.

You referred to a group of people as degenerates and attacked someone's viewpoint on the basis that they were Jewish.


Wow, how dares he not to like Jews after what they're doing to other people(most notably Palestinians), he must be an anti-semite! You are literally this retarded.

- refers to groups of people as "degeneracy"
- attacks people for their Jewish heritage
- justifies this on the grounds that "Jews" as a race are doing generally bad things to other people, especially Palestinians

Am I wrong? Tell me if you haven't, in fact, done all these things.

Actually, I'd like to be educated on this. Please explain, if you are able, how Jews as an entire nation of people and as a race are all guilty of oppressing others. I'm happy to learn. Also, on a side note, would you say that they're a form of degeneracy as well? Just curious.


Lol, I don't think I've ever had a chance to witness how tumblr can delude people into becoming complete idiots who can't even look at the basic biology facts, I've only heard stories until now.

You're still asserting that sex and gender are the same thing. The definitions of words can and do change often. If you're so against social elements that are "unnecessary," then get angry about the fact that we have had two words for the same thing used interchangeably for decades.


There's nothing else left to discuss for us, gamefreak, I'm not going to waste my time on trying to help you realize how wrong you are,

Read this sentence over again.


I've seen multiple occasions on the Internet when someone tried to bring deluded people like yourself back to the real world and ultimately all of those attempts failed due to them refusing to accept any facts or arguments that prove them wrong instead they just kept brining their own arguments backed by muh feelings logic.

Really? What are these facts or arguments that prove me wrong? Where are they? You've kept making up excuses not to show me any so far.

Also, thanks for finally making the argument personal. I didn't think you would actually resort to that this soon.





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Because things like this have potential to go mainstream and become universally accepted in USA. But what happens next?

Oh no, a minority's problems getting mainstream coverage! How absolutely horrifyingly ethical!

Actually what happens next? Tell me what bad things happen next.


Also why shouldn't I care? Why do you think that not caring about attempts to lover moral standards of any nation is a good idea?

When did morals stop becoming subjective and start becoming universally recognized facts? If I decide to have gay sex, in total privacy, and not a single person ever finds out, how does this degrade the stability and health of the entire world? Surely you would be more than happy to explain the process that takes place.


Do you believe that ultimate tolerance will make this world better?

Yes.

I'm amazed that you would phrase this rhetorically, as if tolerance is inherently evil.


Do you think that abolishing traditional values on which entire nations were built is a good idea? Do you think it is necessary to try and "fix" something that isn't broken?

Ancient Romans and Greeks practiced lawful pedophilia at times. That can be considered "traditional," seeing as they had a tradition of practicing it. Do you believe that the outlawing of this triggered the downfall of the great Roman and Greek empires, because they forsook their traditions?


Contrary to the belief, imposing such "tolerance" laws won't make the hate in this world disappear it will only make us more divided and hostile to each other.

Correction: It will make you more hostile. You are consciously deciding to respond with hostility to this. You are attempting to divide people.

For the people who have no choice in their identity and who probably would change themselves if it was possible simply to avoid your violent intolerance, laws like that allow them to lawfully proceed with their daily lives, a privilege that we have never had to go without.


however in a thing as basic as how many genders there are, there is right and there is wrong, in this case I am right and most of you know it.

You should join debate team.


Also just because gamefreak can write tons of words and sound like he's refuting my arguments it doesn't really mean anything and I could definitely refute his points if I wanted to but this wouldn't get me anywhere and would only waste my time.

Really? Writing words and "sounding" like you're refuting arguments is meaningless? You've written an awful lot of words. I would say that your "appearing" to refute my arguments was meaningless as well, but you haven't even attempted to do so. If you're still spending so much time responding to people and asserting that you're right, how have you not had time to make even one post explaining in detail why what I've said is objectively incorrect?


And I haven't made this discussion trying to slam minorities(that of course might depend on what minority groups you think might exist), and I expected to see some arguments against my opinion that are backed with logic, not feelings or tumblr-tier arguments that I have seen hundreds of times before.

So, you made this thread expecting to be proven wrong? If you've seen these exact arguments hundreds of times, perhaps you could link me to even one instance where you thoroughly refuted them. If this is the 101st time that you've seen my argument, surely you would take the time to argue against them at least once.

Also, why is being "backed by logic" important to you? All you've done yourself is proclaim how right you are and then refuse to prove it even once, although you've spent plenty of time already that could have been used to type even a single paragraph debating with some kind of structured logic or explanation.

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Re: New Gender Options for Facebook Users
« Reply #44 on: February 17, 2014, 09:49:39 AM »
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more divided and hostile to each other. Also do you think that those gruops who say that they want to bring tolerance to this world are tolerant themselves? Their definition of tolerance is that everyone must share their views, otherwise they can be considered as intolerant bigots.
Consider what you just said as it's incredibly easy to apply to probably all of your posts on this thread.

however in a thing as basic as how many genders there are, there is right and there is wrong, in this case I am right and most of you know it.
Actually that's becoming debatable, regardless to what you or I may have been taught.

Ofxord dictionary's definition of gender:
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[MASS NOUN] the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones):

Merriam-Webster dictionary's definition of gender:
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: the state of being male or female

Both are reliable dictionaries but Oxford's expands a little bit past the two options. It's possible that the definition could change and that gender could be defined by the person rather than their genitalia.
Sex is simply male or female and would stay that way.

Also just because gamefreak can write tons of words and sound like he's refuting my arguments it doesn't really mean anything and I could definitely refute his points if I wanted to but this wouldn't get me anywhere and would only waste my time.
But you're above him, right? You don't have to agree that he's disproving your points or something, he's at least taking you seriously enough to give honest replies whereas you've stopped. That's the point I was making.

And I haven't made this discussion trying to slam minorities(that of course might depend on what minority groups you think might exist), and I expected to see some arguments against my opinion that are backed with logic, not feelings or tumblr-tier arguments that I have seen hundreds of times before.
So valid opinions can't be formed from a person's emotion? I would have to disagree. You don't better any group of individuals by only considering your own emotions and opinions. Besides, I don't feel he's doing that at all. He's supported what he's said with his own valid logic where you're disregarding everything he's said because he's gone to "tumblr-tier." You're actually letting your emotion effect your posts far more than he is, you even refuse to acknowledge his points now because you think he's just so stupid.


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