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Sabb:
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Back to tumblr you go.
Btw the person in your picture is either a female or a transfaggot(notice this EXTREME form of oppression guise) male.
Yeah, how dares this heterosexual white privileged cis-scum male oppress minorities with moral values and obvious facts, he is such a hater, he must be demoted!
Whaaa whaaa its the holocaust all over again why dont u guise stop him!!!1111!
Wow, how dares he not to like Jews after what they're doing to other people(most notably Palestinians), he must be an anti-semite! You are literally this retarded.
Lol, I don't think I've ever had a chance to witness how tumblr can delude people into becoming complete idiots who can't even look at the basic biology facts, I've only heard stories until now.
There's nothing else left to discuss for us, gamefreak, I'm not going to waste my time on trying to help you realize how wrong you are, I've seen multiple occasions on the Internet when someone tried to bring deluded people like yourself back to the real world and ultimately all of those attempts failed due to them refusing to accept any facts or arguments that prove them wrong instead they just kept brining their own arguments backed by muh feelings logic.
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There's no wrong or right everything discussed in this thread is an opinion. Where his originates from doesn't make it an invalid opinion. Just because he disagrees with you doesn't mean he's wrong or that you're right. I have to give Ursus credit because he has acknowledged and refuted to his best probably every point that's been provided to him. While I still disagree with his view, he's backed his argument well and maybe could have conducted himself better on here (not the only one) but he at least hasn't entirely resorted to the "wow your opinion is just so wrong that you should just stop talking," attitude. At least not enough to entirely stop debating.
I have a question though because after re-reading the comments and the original post I'm unsure. Did you make this topic with intention of just slamming minority groups and hoping everyone would jump in and agree, or were you actually prepared for a discussion or debate on it with more than one opinion?
Cake Faice:
--- Quote from: Goat on February 17, 2014, 07:45:05 AM ---why do you care so much Prox? let people do what they want, how does it affect you in the SLIGHTEST what someone else THINKS they are? if you can answer that properly and not with some shit about transfaggots or cis-queers then do it.
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It would be nice if I didn't get the gay-agenda shoved down my throat on a daily basis and being forced to believe what they believe. Just like a Christan would shove a bible in yours. Also, you're right. It doesn't effect us, but when someone openly says "I'm a trans/faggot" out of the blues in attempt to show society that he's different, he needs to get treated specially, they deserve to get called out honestly imo. Especially now since all these companies are pandering to the horrid LGBT community (cough disney cough), or else they get labeled as a bigot corporation.
Prox:
--- Quote from: Goat on February 17, 2014, 07:45:05 AM ---why do you care so much Prox? let people do what they want, how does it affect you in the SLIGHTEST what someone else THINKS they are? if you can answer that properly and not with some shit about transfaggots or cis-queers then do it.
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Because things like this have potential to go mainstream and become universally accepted in USA. But what happens next? These new "values" are literally being imposed on European nations and since Lithuania is unfortunately a member of EU, our governments then get political pressure from EU to force these new "values" come into effect.
Also why shouldn't I care? Why do you think that not caring about attempts to lover moral standards of any nation is a good idea? Do you believe that ultimate tolerance will make this world better? Do you think that abolishing traditional values on which entire nations were built is a good idea? Do you think it is necessary to try and "fix" something that isn't broken? Contrary to the belief, imposing such "tolerance" laws won't make the hate in this world disappear it will only make us more divided and hostile to each other. Also do you think that those gruops who say that they want to bring tolerance to this world are tolerant themselves? Their definition of tolerance is that everyone must share their views, otherwise they can be considered as intolerant bigots.
--- Quote from: Sabb on February 17, 2014, 08:03:42 AM ---There's no wrong or right everything discussed in this thread is an opinion. Where his originates from doesn't make it an invalid opinion. Just because he disagrees with you doesn't mean he's wrong or that you're right. I have to give Ursus credit because he has acknowledged and refuted to his best probably every point that's been provided to him. While I still disagree with his view, he's backed his argument well and maybe could have conducted himself better on here (not the only one) but he at least hasn't entirely resorted to the "wow your opinion is just so wrong that you should just stop talking," attitude. At least not enough to entirely stop debating.
I have a question though because after re-reading the comments and the original post I'm unsure. Did you make this topic with intention of just slamming minority groups and hoping everyone would jump in and agree, or were you actually prepared for a discussion or debate on it with more than one opinion?
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No. I agree that there are a lot of subjects where there might not necessarily be a right or wrong opinion for example even the homosexual marriage thing, while I'm absolutely against it I'm still not absolutely sure if I could say that I'm being absolutely right or wrong, however in a thing as basic as how many genders there are, there is right and there is wrong, in this case I am right and most of you know it. Also just because gamefreak can write tons of words and sound like he's refuting my arguments it doesn't really mean anything and I could definitely refute his points if I wanted to but this wouldn't get me anywhere and would only waste my time.
And I haven't made this discussion trying to slam minorities(that of course might depend on what minority groups you think might exist), and I expected to see some arguments against my opinion that are backed with logic, not feelings or tumblr-tier arguments that I have seen hundreds of times before.
ursus:
--- Quote from: Prox on February 17, 2014, 07:33:19 AM ---Back to tumblr you go.
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Back to Stormfront you go.
--- Quote from: Prox on February 17, 2014, 07:33:19 AM ---Btw the person in your picture is either a female or a transfaggot(notice this EXTREME form of oppression guise) male.
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Really? How can you tell? Can you prove that somehow?
From another wiki article on LGBT violence that I was able to find in under 30 seconds: "It is rare for a victim to just be shot; he is more likely to be stabbed multiple times, mutilated, and strangled. "They frequently involved torture, cutting, mutilation... showing the absolute intent to rub out the human being because of his (sexual) preference""
So, yes, you could say that you're contributing to EXTREME oppression guise.
--- Quote from: Prox on February 17, 2014, 07:33:19 AM ---Yeah, how dares this heterosexual white privileged cis-scum male oppress minorities with moral values and obvious facts, he is such a hater, he must be demoted!
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Again with the "facts so obvious I don't need to defend them" thing. I have my own moral values, but they're mine. Not America's, mine. Why are your morals more important than anyone else's? If you're still referring to transgender people as an anomaly or a disorder, do you believe that their existence is immoral? Do you suggest we execute them all to preserve our purity?
--- Quote from: Prox on February 17, 2014, 07:33:19 AM ---Whaaa whaaa its the holocaust all over again why dont u guise stop him!!!1111!
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You referred to a group of people as degenerates and attacked someone's viewpoint on the basis that they were Jewish.
You referred to a group of people as degenerates and attacked someone's viewpoint on the basis that they were Jewish.
--- Quote from: Prox on February 17, 2014, 07:33:19 AM ---Wow, how dares he not to like Jews after what they're doing to other people(most notably Palestinians), he must be an anti-semite! You are literally this retarded.
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- refers to groups of people as "degeneracy"
- attacks people for their Jewish heritage
- justifies this on the grounds that "Jews" as a race are doing generally bad things to other people, especially Palestinians
Am I wrong? Tell me if you haven't, in fact, done all these things.
Actually, I'd like to be educated on this. Please explain, if you are able, how Jews as an entire nation of people and as a race are all guilty of oppressing others. I'm happy to learn. Also, on a side note, would you say that they're a form of degeneracy as well? Just curious.
--- Quote from: Prox on February 17, 2014, 07:33:19 AM ---Lol, I don't think I've ever had a chance to witness how tumblr can delude people into becoming complete idiots who can't even look at the basic biology facts, I've only heard stories until now.
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You're still asserting that sex and gender are the same thing. The definitions of words can and do change often. If you're so against social elements that are "unnecessary," then get angry about the fact that we have had two words for the same thing used interchangeably for decades.
--- Quote from: Prox on February 17, 2014, 07:33:19 AM ---There's nothing else left to discuss for us, gamefreak, I'm not going to waste my time on trying to help you realize how wrong you are,
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Read this sentence over again.
--- Quote from: Prox on February 17, 2014, 07:33:19 AM ---I've seen multiple occasions on the Internet when someone tried to bring deluded people like yourself back to the real world and ultimately all of those attempts failed due to them refusing to accept any facts or arguments that prove them wrong instead they just kept brining their own arguments backed by muh feelings logic.
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Really? What are these facts or arguments that prove me wrong? Where are they? You've kept making up excuses not to show me any so far.
Also, thanks for finally making the argument personal. I didn't think you would actually resort to that this soon.
Next post:
--- Quote from: Prox on February 17, 2014, 09:21:39 AM ---Because things like this have potential to go mainstream and become universally accepted in USA. But what happens next?
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Oh no, a minority's problems getting mainstream coverage! How absolutely horrifyingly ethical!
Actually what happens next? Tell me what bad things happen next.
--- Quote from: Prox on February 17, 2014, 09:21:39 AM ---Also why shouldn't I care? Why do you think that not caring about attempts to lover moral standards of any nation is a good idea?
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When did morals stop becoming subjective and start becoming universally recognized facts? If I decide to have gay sex, in total privacy, and not a single person ever finds out, how does this degrade the stability and health of the entire world? Surely you would be more than happy to explain the process that takes place.
--- Quote from: Prox on February 17, 2014, 09:21:39 AM ---Do you believe that ultimate tolerance will make this world better?
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Yes.
I'm amazed that you would phrase this rhetorically, as if tolerance is inherently evil.
--- Quote from: Prox on February 17, 2014, 09:21:39 AM ---Do you think that abolishing traditional values on which entire nations were built is a good idea? Do you think it is necessary to try and "fix" something that isn't broken?
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Ancient Romans and Greeks practiced lawful pedophilia at times. That can be considered "traditional," seeing as they had a tradition of practicing it. Do you believe that the outlawing of this triggered the downfall of the great Roman and Greek empires, because they forsook their traditions?
--- Quote from: Prox on February 17, 2014, 09:21:39 AM ---Contrary to the belief, imposing such "tolerance" laws won't make the hate in this world disappear it will only make us more divided and hostile to each other.
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Correction: It will make you more hostile. You are consciously deciding to respond with hostility to this. You are attempting to divide people.
For the people who have no choice in their identity and who probably would change themselves if it was possible simply to avoid your violent intolerance, laws like that allow them to lawfully proceed with their daily lives, a privilege that we have never had to go without.
--- Quote from: Prox on February 17, 2014, 09:21:39 AM ---however in a thing as basic as how many genders there are, there is right and there is wrong, in this case I am right and most of you know it.
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You should join debate team.
--- Quote from: Prox on February 17, 2014, 09:21:39 AM ---Also just because gamefreak can write tons of words and sound like he's refuting my arguments it doesn't really mean anything and I could definitely refute his points if I wanted to but this wouldn't get me anywhere and would only waste my time.
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Really? Writing words and "sounding" like you're refuting arguments is meaningless? You've written an awful lot of words. I would say that your "appearing" to refute my arguments was meaningless as well, but you haven't even attempted to do so. If you're still spending so much time responding to people and asserting that you're right, how have you not had time to make even one post explaining in detail why what I've said is objectively incorrect?
--- Quote from: Prox on February 17, 2014, 09:21:39 AM ---And I haven't made this discussion trying to slam minorities(that of course might depend on what minority groups you think might exist), and I expected to see some arguments against my opinion that are backed with logic, not feelings or tumblr-tier arguments that I have seen hundreds of times before.
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So, you made this thread expecting to be proven wrong? If you've seen these exact arguments hundreds of times, perhaps you could link me to even one instance where you thoroughly refuted them. If this is the 101st time that you've seen my argument, surely you would take the time to argue against them at least once.
Also, why is being "backed by logic" important to you? All you've done yourself is proclaim how right you are and then refuse to prove it even once, although you've spent plenty of time already that could have been used to type even a single paragraph debating with some kind of structured logic or explanation.
Sabb:
--- Quote from: Prox on February 17, 2014, 09:21:39 AM ---more divided and hostile to each other. Also do you think that those gruops who say that they want to bring tolerance to this world are tolerant themselves? Their definition of tolerance is that everyone must share their views, otherwise they can be considered as intolerant bigots.
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Consider what you just said as it's incredibly easy to apply to probably all of your posts on this thread.
--- Quote from: Prox on February 17, 2014, 09:21:39 AM ---however in a thing as basic as how many genders there are, there is right and there is wrong, in this case I am right and most of you know it.
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Actually that's becoming debatable, regardless to what you or I may have been taught.
Ofxord dictionary's definition of gender:
--- Quote ---[MASS NOUN] the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones):
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Merriam-Webster dictionary's definition of gender:
--- Quote ---: the state of being male or female
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Both are reliable dictionaries but Oxford's expands a little bit past the two options. It's possible that the definition could change and that gender could be defined by the person rather than their genitalia.
Sex is simply male or female and would stay that way.
--- Quote from: Prox on February 17, 2014, 09:21:39 AM ---Also just because gamefreak can write tons of words and sound like he's refuting my arguments it doesn't really mean anything and I could definitely refute his points if I wanted to but this wouldn't get me anywhere and would only waste my time.
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But you're above him, right? You don't have to agree that he's disproving your points or something, he's at least taking you seriously enough to give honest replies whereas you've stopped. That's the point I was making.
--- Quote from: Prox on February 17, 2014, 09:21:39 AM ---And I haven't made this discussion trying to slam minorities(that of course might depend on what minority groups you think might exist), and I expected to see some arguments against my opinion that are backed with logic, not feelings or tumblr-tier arguments that I have seen hundreds of times before.
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So valid opinions can't be formed from a person's emotion? I would have to disagree. You don't better any group of individuals by only considering your own emotions and opinions. Besides, I don't feel he's doing that at all. He's supported what he's said with his own valid logic where you're disregarding everything he's said because he's gone to "tumblr-tier." You're actually letting your emotion effect your posts far more than he is, you even refuse to acknowledge his points now because you think he's just so stupid.
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