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ursus:
--- Quote from: blah2355 on February 16, 2014, 08:46:43 PM ---Idk, Prox is just into that kind of political stuff and discussing touchy stuff. See previous serious discussions.
Prox you should become a politician and see where that gets you.
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are you actually taking sincere anti-semitism seriously as a political view
Frank:
--- Quote from: ursus on February 16, 2014, 08:49:11 PM ---are you actually taking sincere anti-semitism seriously as a political view
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It's a serious political view, no matter how much you disagree with it. Some people honestly think that way.
blαh2355:
--- Quote from: ursus on February 16, 2014, 08:49:11 PM ---are you actually taking sincere anti-semitism seriously as a political view
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Is it not? I don't agree with it but it's still a political view.
Prox:
--- Quote from: ursus on February 16, 2014, 04:30:23 PM ---Well, allow me.
"I've talked to people before! I usually try to argue with people when I talk to them, but this time I can't because you're just so stupid. You're using arguments from an imaginary group of people that I disagree with, and that's a valid excuse for me to give up and still think I'm right."
Even though I could probably get away with just saying "This requires no explanation" and then leaving much like you, I've decided that I don't want to debate on the same level.
Your references to separate discussions are irrelevant. This is a separate issue from whatever you think you've debated before, and you can't bring backup ethos from the past to support your points.
It doesn't matter if you think it's "the stupidest shit" you've ever seen. You don't get to dismiss things because you think they're stupid. I'm still talking to you, after all.
Also, what is a "social justice warrior?" There is no formally recognized group called the Social Justice Warriors. You're attempting to passively refute my argument by saying that it's on the same level as a group of people that many also dismiss with an appeal to incredulity ("I cannot believe this, therefore it is false").
"Even though I'm literally admitting that I'm unable to win this argument, I still win this argument because I say so. My viewpoint is so obviously right that I don't even have to defend it, because I'm so right."
So, not caring makes you the clear winner? Just because you admit that you cannot produce a counter-argument does not excuse you from the implications of your admission. If you're unable to respond to my argument, don't pretend to have already disproven it.
Stating that your viewpoint is so basic and universally accepted that it does not need to be proven is not a valid argument. If a billion people think that the Earth is the center of the solar system, this does not make them correct.
"Yes, giving people basic human rights is actually my authority because I also say so. The majority should always be allowed to infringe upon the rights of minorities because it's our job and we've earned it by being the majority."
My point from your previous quote stands. A viewpoint is not automatically correct because a majority of people hold it. Why are we the ones who should "dictate things?" You're not even a majority, you're Lithuanian. Your country is smaller than my thumb on a map. Does being American, a citizen of the most powerful military nation in the world, give me the authority to dictate aspects of your personal life? Think carefully.
"Even though this issue admittedly doesn't threaten my rights, it will still confuse people on other issues in which I also believe my stubbornly held viewpoints are so right that I don't even need to defend them. If we give more people the capacity to lead normal personal lives we will lower our morals, which is still my authority to judge even though morals are purely subjective. We have to keep these subjective morals high from my standpoint, because people can't do what they want even if it doesn't affect anyone else, because I say so."
Just because the majority of people are too lazy to understand a new concept does not mean that it should not be introduced. You're using deliberately vague terms like "general understanding of basic things" and "craziness" and "nation's moral standards," or especially "do and be whatever the hell you want." Pissing in the general direction of my argument also does not refute it.
What nation? Again, you don't even live in the USA. You don't even live in North America. How is this an issue to you? What is "craziness?" Is craziness just a term for something that you disagree with?
Regarding the last sentence, I'll take this opportunity to remind you that transgender people do not choose to be what they already are. They simply choose the terms and concepts to describe themselves as accurately and precisely as possible, something that you have produced no valid reason so far to be in opposition to.
I'm actually not even sure how to sarcastically paraphrase this. Are you really complaining that every single change in society doesn't get checked by you? Who elected you supreme ruler of the human race? Also, Facebook is not a right. Facebook is a company and a service, a service you are not obligated to continue using. If you don't like the choices OTHER PEOPLE have in affording themselves a comfortable experience on one website, then don't use it. Are you being forced to change your gender identity? Nobody is saying that you're no longer a male. Has someone held you at gunpoint or threatened to kill your family if you don't change your gender on Facebook? You're directing so much anger at this that one would think so.
To quote a favorite post of mine, from your least favorite website --
But really, what? What kind of argument is this? If this is what it takes to get you to believe that these people exist, here's a picture of one of my non-binary friends with their cat:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
If anything, this should at least show you that they aren't constantly shoving their gender in your face. Would you have known that they sincerely describe themselves as "genderfluid" if I hadn't told you? Were you expecting a picture of an alien? We're still talking about actual humans here, something you don't seem to like very much.
How is this relevant?
"Now that I'm done telling you how right I am, you should tell me who gave you this viewpoint because that's totally important. I should also inform you that I willfully frequent a board known for its views that closely align with neo-nazism. This somehow improves my argument."
Are you also going to imply that because my views have changed at some point, that also proves that they are wrong? Is a viewpoint only worth something to you if someone has stubbornly held it their entire life, the literal opposite of what produces an intelligent society? Nobody "taught" me to respect minorities, I realized that it was the right course of action on my own simply by associating with them normally and realizing that their problems were legitimate. How many transgender people are you friends with? How many have you even attempted to have a normal conversation with? Do you also think that Black people all drive expensive cars, smoke weed, and rape/murder innocent people? The way in which you're forming and asserting your opinions on world events and issues is like trying to rebuild a car while Bill O'Reilly instructs you based on the one time he replaced his back tires. Do you think that I would be qualified and also entitled to hold political office in your home country because I read a few threads on /pol/ about it?
Consider yourself lucky that no matter what opinion you hold on this, it will never affect your mental health or physical safety. Some people aren't as fortunate, mostly because of people like you.
For the most part, I'm sorry that I don't have the will of iron that would be required to type this out in a less aggressive tone. I'd have liked to discuss this in a way that ended with one of us saying "Oh, I guess I never realized that" and leaving the thread in peace, but I suppose that's not possible here.
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Back to tumblr you go.
Btw the person in your picture is either a female or a transfaggot(notice this EXTREME form of oppression guise) male.
--- Quote from: ursus on February 16, 2014, 05:17:17 PM ---So, Prox can make a thread with the sole purpose of being violently hateful towards multiple minorities at once and that's Admin Material (TM), but if I call him out on it I'm suppressing his opinion? Am I reading this incorrectly?
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Yeah, how dares this heterosexual white privileged cis-scum male oppress minorities with moral values and obvious facts, he is such a hater, he must be demoted!
--- Quote from: ursus on February 16, 2014, 08:44:24 PM ---I know he's serious
but I also know he's aware of how far-right wing his opinions are and he said himself that he's desperate for discussion, which is why he deliberately phrased the OP in the worst way possible
that's baiting a flame war imo as if it wasn't bad enough that he said it in the first place, like referring to transgender people as a form of "degeneracy" or going out of his way to express disdain at the fact that one of the people in the video was jewish (i don't know WHY coolz or any of you would tolerate that in the first place, he's implicitly expressing support for genocide/eugenics with those comments)
either that or he's just a walking hate machine, who knows
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Whaaa whaaa its the holocaust all over again why dont u guise stop him!!!1111!
--- Quote from: ursus on February 16, 2014, 08:49:11 PM ---are you actually taking sincere anti-semitism seriously as a political view
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Wow, how dares he not to like Jews after what they're doing to other people(most notably Palestinians), he must be an anti-semite! You are literally this retarded.
Lol, I don't think I've ever had a chance to witness how tumblr can delude people into becoming complete idiots who can't even look at the basic biology facts, I've only heard stories until now.
There's nothing else left to discuss for us, gamefreak, I'm not going to waste my time on trying to help you realize how wrong you are, I've seen multiple occasions on the Internet when someone tried to bring deluded people like yourself back to the real world and ultimately all of those attempts failed due to them refusing to accept any facts or arguments that prove them wrong instead they just kept brining their own arguments backed by muh feelings logic.
Goat:
why do you care so much Prox? let people do what they want, how does it affect you in the SLIGHTEST what someone else THINKS they are? if you can answer that properly and not with some shit about transfaggots or cis-queers then do it.
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