the struggle of being overweight

[saivon]

I also forgot to mention im on post season and sub districts are tomorrow so.if im over by the slightest kilo my wrestling season is over which is why im dropping so much. Now im over by 3 pounds so im just going to starve and my last resort is laxatives

[Cake Faice]

Here take my weight pls, 6'0 and like, 210. I do nothing but drink shittons of water and sit at computer all day.

[Prox]

as much as I want to progress into the next weight class I cant. What coach says coach gets

Do you really think that what you're doing by essentially starving yourself to below 120 doesn't do much harm for you? If you do then it's good and you can continue what you're doing but if you don't feel healthy then you can tell your coach to fuck himself. Good health is and should be a top priority for everyone.

[Xrain]

If your normal weight is 150 your coach is out of his  fucking mind if he has you compete at 115. Unless you are winning state championchips left and right here in that weight class you are likely limiting yourself. I know the heavier weight classes are more difficult but there is no way you will be able to compete in higher weight classes unless you get to that weight and then train yourself at that weight, and keep your dies balanced.

I'm 6'5" and weight 250lbs I finally feel that I at a healthy weight and fill my frame.

Go talk to your coach and tell him this extreme weightloss bullshit has to stop. What you are doing right now would be classified as an eating disorder. I understand maintaining your weight class, but you  should never force yourself down to another artificially. What you are doing now is going to screw up your kidneys among other things.

[Sabb]

If your normal weight is 150 your coach is out of his  fucking mind if he has you compete at 115. Unless you are winning state championchips left and right here in that weight class you are likely limiting yourself. I know the heavier weight classes are more difficult but there is no way you will be able to compete in higher weight classes unless you get to that weight and then train yourself at that weight, and keep your dies balanced.

I'm 6'5" and weight 250lbs I finally feel that I at a healthy weight and fill my frame.

Go talk to your coach and tell him this extreme weightloss bullshit has to stop. What you are doing right now would be classified as an eating disorder. I understand maintaining your weight class, but you  should never force yourself down to another artificially. What you are doing now is going to screw up your kidneys among other things.

It said in the first post his weight was 120 and is going to 115. Dropping 5 pounds isn't a big deal but idk if that's a healthy weight for his height. I know I'm at a healthy weight and I'm near 6 foot at 155. I'm too lazy to look up his BMI but his height is 5' 7" and at 16 (i believe) that isn't so bad. I think in general that it'd be healthier to gain a bit, but when thinking about his weight compared to height with age in mind, he's not actually terribly underweight.

I lied, quickly put his height and weight into a BMI calculator (might not be all that accurate cause I didn't spent much time searching). His BMI is 18 at 115lbs, and they consider 18.5–24.9 the "normal weight" category. So under but not by so much, according to that calculator.

as much as I want to progress into the next weight class I cant. What coach says coach gets

I understand that you can't gain the weight this season, but couldn't you after the season is over in preparation for the next? I understand that might mean gaining a lot of body mass in not that much amount of time but it's an option to explore at least, in my opinion.

[Xrain]

It said in the first post his weight was 120 and is going to 115. Dropping 5 pounds isn't a big deal but idk if that's a healthy weight for his height. I know I'm at a healthy weight and I'm near 6 foot at 155. I'm too lazy to look up his BMI but his height is 5' 7" and at 16 (i believe) that isn't so bad. I think in general that it'd be healthier to gain a bit, but when thinking about his weight compared to height with age in mind, he's not actually terribly underweight.

I lied, quickly put his height and weight into a BMI calculator (might not be all that accurate cause I didn't spent much time searching). His BMI is 18 at 115lbs...

For the record bmi is an antiquidated and completely useless measument. It isn't seriously used by anyone (or it shouldn't be) as a way of gauging healthy weight. The only way to do this ligitamately is to go into the doctor and they perform a series of tests that much more accurately gauge fitness.

BMI is only minorly accurate for a very specific build and weight the farther away you get from it the worse it gets. BMI can only really tell you stuff that is obvious just by looking at them.

Savion said as I understood it that his off season weight was 150, dropping almost 1/3 of your mass to 115 is a pretty serious deal.

[Sabb]

For the record bmi is an antiquidated and completely useless measument. It isn't seriously used by anyone (or it shouldn't be) as a way of gauging healthy weight. The only way to do this ligitamately is to go into the doctor and they perform a series of tests that much more accurately gauge fitness.

BMI is only minorly accurate for a very specific build and weight the farther away you get from it the worse it gets. BMI can only really tell you stuff that is obvious just by looking at them.

Savion said as I understood it that his off season weight was 150, dropping almost 1/3 of your mass to 115 is a pretty serious deal.

I know BMI isn't a good measurement of overall health and fitness by any means because lots of things come into play other than weight to height. I wouldn't go as far to say it's a useless measurement however... It gives a quick average ratio and an estimate to what range his weight should be in. Besides that's not the only point I stated. Comparing what I know of my own weight and fitness to Novias with considering the height difference I would still say he's actually not terribly underweight, if I were to guess. I'm by no means saying I'm giving a medical examination of his health though lol. Some of the comments on the thread make it sound like he's a skeleton which is all I'm disagreeing with.

Everything I'm saying is based off the information Novias has given in the thread which gave me the understanding that Novias was previously 120. I guess you had a conversation with him outside of the forum in which case I'll leave it at that. I assumed you misread something since Novias has posted pictures which he said were him previously and I can't imagine that his weight was 150. If that's the case I would have to agree with what you've said, however.

what I mean is i used to be 120 now I'm 117

I.can gain back to like 150 in muscle since I.can eat whatevwr the hell I want now since wrestling season.is.over and.im doing track

I think this is the confusion. I interpreted the second comment as what his weight could reach after working out, not what his weight was?

[yoshi]

I eat hotdogs every week and I'm 90.

step on my level mo

[Xrain]

I know BMI isn't a good measurement of overall health and fitness by any means because lots of things come into play other than weight to height. I wouldn't go as far to say it's a useless measurement however... It gives a quick average ratio and an estimate to what range his weight should be in. Besides that's not the only point I stated. Comparing what I know of my own weight and fitness to Novias with considering the height difference I would still say he's actually not terribly underweight, if I were to guess. I'm by no means saying I'm giving a medical examination of his health though lol. Some of the comments on the thread make it sound like he's a skeleton which is all I'm disagreeing with.

I do not think you fully appreciate how antiquated BMI really is. When it first came out it was pretty much a state of the art index, the problem is, it came out around 1850. Yes that is the decade BEFORE the American civil war. Where our current best medical practice at the time consisted of if you had a slight issue on a limb, they cut it off with a dirty bone saw, where you subsequently got a serious infection and died.

Another state of the art medicine for the time was a pill called Blue Mass which its active ingredient was a great substance called  mercury.

So a full 100 years later there was another medical "breakthrough" called Eugenics. Which was started in the US and then subsequently used by the Nazi party to justify sterilizing "undesirable people". This was nearly a full century after BMI was introduced. Oh we were also using things like skull measurements and proportion measurements of random African tribes to justify the superiority of certain races over others a full 40-50 years after BMI came out.

Mathematically BMI is completely flawed, it fails to take into account the square-cube law on increasing size and increasing mass.

So BMI should have died a long, long time ago.

[saivon]

So there is a 3 pound allowance now so I can now become 116 )))) 

[Sabb]

I do not think you fully appreciate how antiquated BMI really is. When it first came out it was pretty much a state of the art index, the problem is, it came out around 1850. Yes that is the decade BEFORE the American civil war. Where our current best medical practice at the time consisted of if you had a slight issue on a limb, they cut it off with a dirty bone saw, where you subsequently got a serious infection and died.

Another state of the art medicine for the time was a pill called Blue Mass which its active ingredient was a great substance called  mercury.

So a full 100 years later there was another medical "breakthrough" called Eugenics. Which was started in the US and then subsequently used by the Nazi party to justify sterilizing "undesirable people". This was nearly a full century after BMI was introduced. Oh we were also using things like skull measurements and proportion measurements of random African tribes to justify the superiority of certain races over others a full 40-50 years after BMI came out.

Mathematically BMI is completely flawed, it fails to take into account the square-cube law on increasing size and increasing mass.

So BMI should have died a long, long time ago.

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As I said, it's simply a ratio I can compare to based on what I know of other people's results as well. It's more accurate than me just making a good guess by estimating myself how much a person of that height may weigh on average, since it's an actual calculation of what I'm guessnig. You can disagree with me all you want but if you're going to make an estimate of how much a person should weigh, I see no reason that height wouldn't be the first, maybe most important factor that differs a person's weight. Again, reinforcing the fact that I'm not making an accurate judgement as to if his weight is healthy, it's simply a stat for me to quickly compare since I clearly don't have access to medical professionals to assess his weight. It's better than nothing is all I'm saying.

As for where you said it doesn't apply the square cube law I believe I understand. However, I've already said that it's a simply height to weight ratio and is only as accurate as it sounds lol. I see no reason it needs to apply that law because in order for it to do so wouldn't it need to include measurements like waist size? And wouldn't that defeat the purpose since waist size and other measurements would only vary as weight does, which is already included in the formula. Maybe I'm thinking of it wrong in which case you can feel free to correct me.

As for what you said about when it was invented, I wouldn't disregard anything's use just because of when or even how it was discovered/invented. It doesn't mean nothing viable could have come from it, in my opinion.
Besides, Coca Cola was invented not long after that time so the 1800's can't be so bad .

So there is a 3 pound allowance now so I can now become 116 )))) 

That's good. It still could get difficult for you if you start gaining muscle mass and having to become even more lean though. Just be careful with that.

[Frank]

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As I said, it's simply a ratio I can compare to based on what I know of other people's results as well. It's more accurate than me just making a good guess by estimating myself how much a person of that height may weigh on average, since it's an actual calculation of what I'm guessnig. You can disagree with me all you want but if you're going to make an estimate of how much a person should weigh, I see no reason that height wouldn't be the first, maybe most important factor that differs a person's weight. Again, reinforcing the fact that I'm not making an accurate judgement as to if his weight is healthy, it's simply a stat for me to quickly compare since I clearly don't have access to medical professionals to assess his weight. It's better than nothing is all I'm saying.

As for where you said it doesn't apply the square cube law I believe I understand. However, I've already said that it's a simply height to weight ratio and is only as accurate as it sounds lol. I see no reason it needs to apply that law because in order for it to do so wouldn't it need to include measurements like waist size? And wouldn't that defeat the purpose since waist size and other measurements would only vary as weight does, which is already included in the formula. Maybe I'm thinking of it wrong in which case you can feel free to correct me.

As for what you said about when it was invented, I wouldn't disregard anything's use just because of when or even how it was discovered/invented. It doesn't mean nothing viable could have come from it, in my opinion.
Besides, Coca Cola was invented not long after that time so the 1800's can't be so bad .

That's good. It still could get difficult for you if you start gaining muscle mass and having to become even more lean though. Just be careful with that.

Did you really just use Coca Cola as an example of old things that are good?

[Sabb]

Did you really just use Coca Cola as an example of old things that are good?

frank pls

[Xrain]

As I said, it's simply a ratio I can compare to based on what I know of other people's results as well. It's more accurate than me just making a good guess by estimating myself how much a person of that height may weigh on average, since it's an actual calculation of what I'm guessnig. You can disagree with me all you want but if you're going to make an estimate of how much a person should weigh, I see no reason that height wouldn't be the first, maybe most important factor that differs a person's weight. Again, reinforcing the fact that I'm not making an accurate judgement as to if his weight is healthy, it's simply a stat for me to quickly compare since I clearly don't have access to medical professionals to assess his weight. It's better than nothing is all I'm saying.

As for where you said it doesn't apply the square cube law I believe I understand. However, I've already said that it's a simply height to weight ratio and is only as accurate as it sounds lol. I see no reason it needs to apply that law because in order for it to do so wouldn't it need to include measurements like waist size? And wouldn't that defeat the purpose since waist size and other measurements would only vary as weight does, which is already included in the formula. Maybe I'm thinking of it wrong in which case you can feel free to correct me.

As for what you said about when it was invented, I wouldn't disregard anything's use just because of when or even how it was discovered/invented. It doesn't mean nothing viable could have come from it, in my opinion.
Besides, Coca Cola was invented not long after that time so the 1800's can't be so bad .

Dammit sabb, just because you can apply an equation to something doesn't mean it is any more or less accurate than other means, unless you prove otherwise. I could say that my awesomeness (Aw) is equal to (the speed of light ^2 times my mass) to the power of the number of aerospace projects I've done. Just because I have an equation doesn't for it doesn't mean that it actually pertains to anything.

So the square cube law states that as as shape grows in size its volume grows faster than its area. So since your mass is dictated by your volume, and your area is dictated by your height. BMI is completely useless for tall people like me, since I can fit more volume (aka more weight) into my given area (function of my height) than a short person would be able to. The index gets even more screwed up if you are a physically fit person, since muscle has a higher density than fat, the index also falls apart when confronted with this issue. So I have seen incredibly fit people ineligible for things, or forced to take extra training simply because BMI is such a crappy way to measure anything. Seriously it has issue in measuring, people of above average hight and people of above average fitness, it also falsly gives many normal people the impression that they are overweight.

According to the BMI index, my BMI is 30.4 which puts me in the category of being obese. You can look at me with your eyes and tell in a second that I am not an obese person. Which is why I said your eyes are much more useful for determining health than the BMI will ever be. Since you can pretty much tell by looking at someone if they are packing more weight than they should be. At least to a much more sufficient and accurate degree than the BMI is ever capable of. Assh.... WONDERFUL PEOPLE like you who think BMI is an "OK" way to guesstimate comparisons at a persons general health is why I have to pay more on my health insurance for having a high BMI index since the insurance company also thinks that it is an "OK" way to gauge a persons overall fitness. The only way to make things like this stop, is to completely and justifiably crush any sense of validity that BMI has, that way perhaps people will actually use real means to measure people's fitness.

Also prior to 1903 Coca Cola contained cocaine. In sufficient quantities to give you a buzz if you drank it.

[Sabb]

Dammit sabb, just because you can apply an equation to something doesn't mean it is any more or less accurate than other means, unless you prove otherwise. I could say that my awesomeness (Aw) is equal to (the speed of light ^2 times my mass) to the power of the number of aerospace projects I've done. Just because I have an equation doesn't for it doesn't mean that it actually pertains to anything.

So the square cube law states that as as shape grows in size its volume grows faster than its area. So since your mass is dictated by your volume, and your area is dictated by your height. BMI is completely useless for tall people like me, since I can fit more volume (aka more weight) into my given area (function of my height) than a short person would be able to. The index gets even more screwed up if you are a physically fit person, since muscle has a higher density than fat, the index also falls apart when confronted with this issue. So I have seen incredibly fit people ineligible for things, or forced to take extra training simply because BMI is such a crappy way to measure anything. Seriously it has issue in measuring, people of above average hight and people of above average fitness, it also falsly gives many normal people the impression that they are overweight.

According to the BMI index, my BMI is 30.4 which puts me in the category of being obese. You can look at me with your eyes and tell in a second that I am not an obese person. Which is why I said your eyes are much more useful for determining health than the BMI will ever be. Since you can pretty much tell by looking at someone if they are packing more weight than they should be. At least to a much more sufficient and accurate degree than the BMI is ever capable of. Assh.... WONDERFUL PEOPLE like you who think BMI is an "OK" way to guesstimate comparisons at a persons general health is why I have to pay more on my health insurance for having a high BMI index since the insurance company also thinks that it is an "OK" way to gauge a persons overall fitness. The only way to make things like this stop, is to completely and justifiably crush any sense of validity that BMI has, that way perhaps people will actually use real means to measure people's fitness.

Also prior to 1903 Coca Cola contained cocaine. In sufficient quantities to give you a buzz if you drank it.

The equation was literally linked to show that I'm aware as I've said in I think almost every comment that BMI is only a height to rate ratio.

As for where you said it doesn't apply the square cube law I believe I understand. However, I've already said that it's a simply height to weight ratio and is only as accurate as it sounds lol.

If I were to say any more at this point I'd be repeating myself. I'm aware it's not an accurate guess, however:

It's better than nothing is all I'm saying.

Also prior to 1903 Coca Cola contained cocaine. In sufficient quantities to give you a buzz if you drank it.

See what I mean? The 1800s can't be too bad 8 )