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The definition of a first blood rdm
Sabb:
--- Quote from: †KHMarie† on February 02, 2013, 11:22:53 PM ---I always thought of a first RDM as someone just running up to someone and killing them as soon as the round started.
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Basically just this. It's just when you kill a player extremely early in the round before anything has happened. Hence first blood. But it's still actual RDM. So yo killing someone who just pulled a knife out in front of you in the start of the round isn't first blood RDM because you clearly had a legitimate reason. I've seen many people (problem players only really) complain about this saying that traitors have to have the first move/kill for you to kill them which is clearly not true.
Also, if it's quite early in the round and someone's just RDM'd but maybe one or two people have died I'll still consider it a first blood RDM as long as it's actual legitimate RDM because the person you killed hasn't had a chance to do anything yet. So it's officially just RDM before any deaths I suppose but I think it's also slightly up to the ranked members' judgement.
Prox:
I really don't see how RDMing an innocent at the beginning of the round is any different then RDMing one after a few minutes, since in both cases he didn't do anything to anyone and the RDMer had the same reasoning for killing. Now the reason why I think RDMing a traitor is different is because chances of becoming one are lower. As you know once there's 8 players in the game 2 of them become traitors, which means that the chance of becoming a traitor is 4 times lower then becoming an innocent or detective, so in a way RDMing 1 traitor could be the same as RDMing 4 innocents, this may not be necessarily a right way to compare 4 people to 1 but what I'm trying to say is that RDMing a traitor isn't the same thing as RDMing an innocent.
Sabb:
--- Quote from: Prox on February 03, 2013, 10:57:45 PM --- I really don't see how RDMing an innocent at the beginning of the round is any different then RDMing one after a few minutes, since in both cases he didn't do anything to anyone and the RDMer had the same reasoning for killing. Now the reason why I think RDMing a traitor is different is because chances of becoming one are lower. As you know once there's 8 players in the game 2 of them become traitors, which means that the chance of becoming a traitor is 4 times lower then becoming an innocent or detective, so in a way RDMing 1 traitor could be the same as RDMing 4 innocents, this may not be necessarily a right way to compare 4 people to 1 but what I'm trying to say is that RDMing a traitor isn't the same thing as RDMing an innocent.
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That logic is really bad...
But no, RDM on a traitor is RDM, it's up to chance whether the person they RDM'd was traitor or not, and they shouldn't be punished based off of this chance. But any ways, it's a little more severe for first blood because then you 're more certain that the person is killing for no reason as nothing has been done, and they're ruining the game for someone further because they didn't even get a chance to play the round. Therefore it's a little more severe, but it still also depends on the ranked member's interpretation and opinion at the time.
Prox:
--- Quote from: Sabb on February 03, 2013, 11:14:55 PM ---That logic is really bad...
But no, RDM on a traitor is RDM, it's up to chance whether the person they RDM'd was traitor or not, and they shouldn't be punished based off of this chance. But any ways, it's a little more severe for first blood because then you 're more certain that the person is killing for no reason as nothing has been done, and they're ruining the game for someone further because they didn't even get a chance to play the round. Therefore it's a little more severe, but it still also depends on the ranked member's interpretation and opinion at the time.
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I disagree that RDMing a traitor is just as bad as RDMing an innocent, because it really isn't, I'm sure that majority of people, including me, become more upset if they get RDMed when they are traitors.
Now I'm not absolutely against your opinion on first blood RDM, it doesn't bother me, I'm just trying to get this thing clear so that people would have the same or at least similar understanding of what it is.
Another thing why I'm arguing about this is because I could've sworn that everyone, including you, used to think about this the same way I do and now that I decided to take a look at the list of server rules on the wiki, I found that that the only rule about this does not include innocents.
--- Quote ---3. Traitors must do something(ie pull out a knife, plant c4, shoot or kill someone) before they can be suspected and killed. Killing a Traitor before he have done anything is NOT ALLOWED!
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Sabb:
--- Quote from: Prox on February 03, 2013, 11:34:03 PM --- I disagree that RDMing a traitor is just as bad as RDMing an innocent, because it really isn't, I'm sure that majority of people, including me, become more upset if they get RDMed when they are traitors.
Now I'm not absolutely against your opinion on first blood RDM, it doesn't bother me, I'm just trying to get this thing clear so that people would have the same or at least similar understanding of what it is.
Another thing why I'm arguing about this is because I could've sworn that everyone, including you, used to think about this the same way I do and now that I decided to take a look at the list of server rules on the wiki, I found that that the only rule about this does not include innocents.
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I think it's kind of implied that it goes for innocents as well but I could be wrong. Any ways, the action in question is the same in both circumstances whether the person happens to be a traitor or not, that's all that matters imo.
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