[Demote] MetalDeerSolid -- Regular abuse

[ursus]

Player's SteamID
STEAM_0:0:5011390

Player's name
MetalDeerSolid

My in-game name
ursus

Server name
Trouble in Terrorist Town

Event(s)
Had to kick a lot of people for RDM today. This guy voted no on them twice after I had already established the reason for the kick, and refused to offer an explanation in the last 1-2 hours. I added him on steam to give him a final chance to explain himself, but he's ignored that too.

Reason for ban
Obviously doesn't deserve reg. If it was up to me, I'd recommend a ban along with a demotion but it's up to the admin on this one.

Screenshots

[metalbeersolid]

Am I not entitled to my own opinions?
Am I the one who is affecting how others play the game?

I would like to think that the answer is no, but Ursus disagrees. Just because I don't keep track of the text chat he thinks that I am personally ignoring him.
When he added me as a friend, that was all he did, no questions or anything.

As for the request for a ban, how come voting against him is worse than actually RDMing? I think he has taken this a little too personally.

[Sabb]

Am I not entitled to my own opinions?
Am I the one who is affecting how others play the game?

I would like to think that the answer is no, but Ursus disagrees. Just because I don't keep track of the text chat he thinks that I am personally ignoring him.
When he added me as a friend, that was all he did, no questions or anything.

As for the request for a ban, how come I do not see any ban request for the actually RDMers? I think he has taken this a little too personally.

Looking over the chat, his attempts and his general approach to his situation with you and the two RDMers (Which were definitely RDMing? Look at the log.), he did not take anything too personally and was rather quite level headed and calm. I'm not liking your attitude here though. If you deny a damn vote from a VIP, you damn better well pay attention to the chat because there will be questions asked. Regs are entirely entitled to their own opinion but they're expected to make decent judgement. By you making poor judgement in every possible way in this situation, yes, you did affect the gameplay of others as now the two people who should have been kicked can continue or evade which at least one did do. So you're not the one directly causing the problem but you're basically making an attempt at NOT solving the problem with the players, which in itself is a problem.
But even here you spent over 10 minutes making a post and didn't even defend your decision to vote no. Not a good sign. Your demotion will entirely depend on your next response.

[ursus]

Am I not entitled to my own opinions?
Am I the one who is affecting how others play the game?

I would like to think that the answer is no, but Ursus disagrees. Just because I don't keep track of the text chat he thinks that I am personally ignoring him.
When he added me as a friend, that was all he did, no questions or anything.

As for the request for a ban, how come voting against him is worse than actually RDMing? I think he has taken this a little too personally.

You were literally given every possible chance to offer an explanation. It's apparent that you didn't have any decent reason for voting no on two perfectly valid kicks. You were given regular out of trust, and you're just using it to add stress to my day. I don't see how you're at all "entitled" to that.

[Dark Pacifist]

In both his defense and against him he has been voting no to every cast vote... after enough say yes for the vote to pass.
By definition he is abusing reg status but physically what he's done doesn't change the outcome.

A demotion isn't exactly necessary but then again it's not my call.

[Sabb]

In both his defense and against him he has been voting no to every cast vote... after enough say yes for the vote to pass.
By definition he is abusing reg status but physically what he's done doesn't change the outcome.

A demotion isn't exactly necessary but then again it's not my call.

Wait, is he ONLY voting no when there's enough yes votes? Can anyone else confirm that?

[Alkaline]

Wait, is he ONLY voting no when there's enough yes votes? Can anyone else confirm that?

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I meant to add that the situation (holding up the round) was obvious to all of the regs on the server and he had the opportunity to vote. He voted no and everyone else voted yes. Bad on my part for not asking about his opinion but the vote passed anyways.


Sorry I forgot to justify why I posted this as I had took a screenshot before I knew this report existed.

[ursus]

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oh my fucking god

If this is legit, then go ahead and bin this.

Otherwise, everything I said still stands.

[Foofoojack]

I post in Metal's defense, as I believe that what he did is in no grounds for a demote, or even a ban.

Evidence can show that he only voted no when there was enough "yes" votes, which does not affect the vote progress.

I think he should NOT be demoted or banned, and that he did this all out of fun - which did not have any negative affect on the server or its players.

[Sabb]

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I'm guessing that's a yes.
In that case I don't really see a problem here. It'd be smart to simply not do so though to avoid the confusion. I'll leave the report open for another day or so in case someone has something else to say.

[Deacon]

I would just like to add, since we have a small audience, that while regulars have every right to their own judgement on votes, sometimes you will have to explain why. This is because we have gathered required evidence and have asked your help most of the time. You need to be paying attention to what the reasons are and to the text as well as voice chat. That being said, if you don't know the reasons, ask or just don't vote and find out what was happening for yourself. Voting no looks like you disagree, so if you vote no you can expect to explain why (which is not to say you HAVE TO VOTE YES. YOU DO NOT).

VIPs, I'd suggest using the new talk feature before starting a vote to get the attention of regs who otherwise do not listen/cannot hear.

[memo3300]

pretty much and to let it clear:

If you're agree with the player being kicked:                                    vote yes

If you don't know what is going on or you're neutral to the situation : don't vote

If you're aren't agree with the player being kick:                                 vote no


my opinion:

If he votes no when all the other regulars and VIPs (included myself) voted yes, then maybe he isn't good enough to judge situations, wich is the only duty that is asked to regulars.

[Sabb]

pretty much and to let it clear:

If you're agree with the player being kicked:                                    vote yes

If you don't know what is going on or you're neutral to the situation : don't vote

If you're aren't agree with the player being kick:                                 vote no


my opinion:

If he votes no when all the other regulars and VIPs (included myself) voted yes, then maybe he isn't good enough to judge situations, wich is the only duty that is asked to regulars.

He's not voting seriously though from what I understand. Which is not the impression I was given.

[Prox]

If you don't keep a track of chat or anything else on the server, then you're a completely useless reg. I'd say that he needs to be at least warned.

[Dark Pacifist]

If you don't keep a track of chat or anything else on the server, then you're a completely useless reg. I'd say that he needs to be at least warned.

Agreed 100% but... Issue is he's been warned by three Vip's within a 6 hour time frame. So what good would another warning do... Sorry if I'm mistaken about the ingame warnings being official as well.