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Title: [Demote] MetalDeerSolid -- Regular abuse
Post by: ursus on August 31, 2012, 07:55:33 PM
Player's SteamID
STEAM_0:0:5011390

Player's name
MetalDeerSolid

My in-game name
ursus

Server name
Trouble in Terrorist Town

Event(s)
Had to kick a lot of people for RDM today. This guy voted no on them twice after I had already established the reason for the kick, and refused to offer an explanation in the last 1-2 hours. I added him on steam to give him a final chance to explain himself, but he's ignored that too.

Reason for ban
Obviously doesn't deserve reg. If it was up to me, I'd recommend a ban along with a demotion but it's up to the admin on this one.

Screenshots
(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8343/tttcloverfieldb40009.png)
(http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/1720/tttcloverfieldb40010.png)
(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/4320/tttcloverfieldb40011.png)
(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/6403/tttcloverfieldb40014.png)
(http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/9027/tttcloverfieldb40015.png)
(http://screensnapr.com/e/kHgRIa.png)
Title: Re: MetalDeerSolid -- Regular abuse
Post by: metalbeersolid on August 31, 2012, 08:42:50 PM
Am I not entitled to my own opinions?
Am I the one who is affecting how others play the game?

I would like to think that the answer is no, but Ursus disagrees. Just because I don't keep track of the text chat he thinks that I am personally ignoring him.
When he added me as a friend, that was all he did, no questions or anything.

As for the request for a ban, how come voting against him is worse than actually RDMing? I think he has taken this a little too personally.
Title: Re: MetalDeerSolid -- Regular abuse
Post by: Sabb on August 31, 2012, 08:49:15 PM
Am I not entitled to my own opinions?
Am I the one who is affecting how others play the game?

I would like to think that the answer is no, but Ursus disagrees. Just because I don't keep track of the text chat he thinks that I am personally ignoring him.
When he added me as a friend, that was all he did, no questions or anything.

As for the request for a ban, how come I do not see any ban request for the actually RDMers? I think he has taken this a little too personally.
Looking over the chat, his attempts and his general approach to his situation with you and the two RDMers (Which were definitely RDMing? Look at the log.), he did not take anything too personally and was rather quite level headed and calm. I'm not liking your attitude here though. If you deny a damn vote from a VIP, you damn better well pay attention to the chat because there will be questions asked. Regs are entirely entitled to their own opinion but they're expected to make decent judgement. By you making poor judgement in every possible way in this situation, yes, you did affect the gameplay of others as now the two people who should have been kicked can continue or evade which at least one did do. So you're not the one directly causing the problem but you're basically making an attempt at NOT solving the problem with the players, which in itself is a problem.
But even here you spent over 10 minutes making a post and didn't even defend your decision to vote no. Not a good sign. Your demotion will entirely depend on your next response.
Title: Re: MetalDeerSolid -- Regular abuse
Post by: ursus on August 31, 2012, 08:51:33 PM
Am I not entitled to my own opinions?
Am I the one who is affecting how others play the game?

I would like to think that the answer is no, but Ursus disagrees. Just because I don't keep track of the text chat he thinks that I am personally ignoring him.
When he added me as a friend, that was all he did, no questions or anything.

As for the request for a ban, how come voting against him is worse than actually RDMing? I think he has taken this a little too personally.

You were literally given every possible chance to offer an explanation. It's apparent that you didn't have any decent reason for voting no on two perfectly valid kicks. You were given regular out of trust, and you're just using it to add stress to my day. I don't see how you're at all "entitled" to that.
Title: Re: MetalDeerSolid -- Regular abuse
Post by: Dark Pacifist on August 31, 2012, 08:57:19 PM
In both his defense and against him he has been voting no to every cast vote... after enough say yes for the vote to pass.
By definition he is abusing reg status but physically what he's done doesn't change the outcome.

A demotion isn't exactly necessary but then again it's not my call.
Title: Re: MetalDeerSolid -- Regular abuse
Post by: Sabb on August 31, 2012, 09:24:50 PM
In both his defense and against him he has been voting no to every cast vote... after enough say yes for the vote to pass.
By definition he is abusing reg status but physically what he's done doesn't change the outcome.

A demotion isn't exactly necessary but then again it's not my call.
Wait, is he ONLY voting no when there's enough yes votes? Can anyone else confirm that?
Title: Re: MetalDeerSolid -- Regular abuse
Post by: Alkaline on August 31, 2012, 09:46:57 PM
Wait, is he ONLY voting no when there's enough yes votes? Can anyone else confirm that?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I meant to add that the situation (holding up the round) was obvious to all of the regs on the server and he had the opportunity to vote. He voted no and everyone else voted yes. Bad on my part for not asking about his opinion but the vote passed anyways.


Sorry I forgot to justify why I posted this as I had took a screenshot before I knew this report existed.
Title: Re: MetalDeerSolid -- Regular abuse
Post by: ursus on August 31, 2012, 09:52:40 PM
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

oh my fucking god

If this is legit, then go ahead and bin this.

Otherwise, everything I said still stands.
Title: Re: MetalDeerSolid -- Regular abuse
Post by: Foofoojack on August 31, 2012, 09:53:07 PM
I post in Metal's defense, as I believe that what he did is in no grounds for a demote, or even a ban.

Evidence can show that he only voted no when there was enough "yes" votes, which does not affect the vote progress.

I think he should NOT be demoted or banned, and that he did this all out of fun - which did not have any negative affect on the server or its players.
Title: Re: MetalDeerSolid -- Regular abuse
Post by: Sabb on August 31, 2012, 09:54:21 PM
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'm guessing that's a yes.
In that case I don't really see a problem here. It'd be smart to simply not do so though to avoid the confusion. I'll leave the report open for another day or so in case someone has something else to say.
Title: Re: MetalDeerSolid -- Regular abuse
Post by: Deacon on August 31, 2012, 10:08:50 PM
I would just like to add, since we have a small audience, that while regulars have every right to their own judgement on votes, sometimes you will have to explain why. This is because we have gathered required evidence and have asked your help most of the time. You need to be paying attention to what the reasons are and to the text as well as voice chat. That being said, if you don't know the reasons, ask or just don't vote and find out what was happening for yourself. Voting no looks like you disagree, so if you vote no you can expect to explain why (which is not to say you HAVE TO VOTE YES. YOU DO NOT).

VIPs, I'd suggest using the new talk feature before starting a vote to get the attention of regs who otherwise do not listen/cannot hear.
Title: Re: MetalDeerSolid -- Regular abuse
Post by: memo3300 on September 01, 2012, 12:35:05 AM
pretty much and to let it clear:

If you're agree with the player being kicked:                                    vote yes

If you don't know what is going on or you're neutral to the situation : don't vote

If you're aren't agree with the player being kick:                                 vote no


my opinion:

If he votes no when all the other regulars and VIPs (included myself) voted yes, then maybe he isn't good enough to judge situations, wich is the only duty that is asked to regulars.



Title: Re: MetalDeerSolid -- Regular abuse
Post by: Sabb on September 01, 2012, 01:05:00 AM
pretty much and to let it clear:

If you're agree with the player being kicked:                                    vote yes

If you don't know what is going on or you're neutral to the situation : don't vote

If you're aren't agree with the player being kick:                                 vote no


my opinion:

If he votes no when all the other regulars and VIPs (included myself) voted yes, then maybe he isn't good enough to judge situations, wich is the only duty that is asked to regulars.
He's not voting seriously though from what I understand. Which is not the impression I was given.
Title: Re: MetalDeerSolid -- Regular abuse
Post by: Prox on September 01, 2012, 02:39:56 AM
If you don't keep a track of chat or anything else on the server, then you're a completely useless reg. I'd say that he needs to be at least warned.
Title: Re: MetalDeerSolid -- Regular abuse
Post by: Dark Pacifist on September 01, 2012, 03:20:18 AM
If you don't keep a track of chat or anything else on the server, then you're a completely useless reg. I'd say that he needs to be at least warned.
Agreed 100% but... Issue is he's been warned by three Vip's within a 6 hour time frame. So what good would another warning do... Sorry if I'm mistaken about the ingame warnings being official as well.
Title: Re: MetalDeerSolid -- Regular abuse
Post by: Prox on September 01, 2012, 03:31:11 AM
Agreed 100% but... Issue is he's been warned by three Vip's within a 6 hour time frame. So what good would another warning do... Sorry if I'm mistaken about the ingame warnings being official as well.
If that's correct then he should be demoted.
Title: Re: MetalDeerSolid -- Regular abuse
Post by: [TTPN] ShadowMoon on September 01, 2012, 05:10:56 AM
If you don't know what is going on or you're neutral to the situation : don't vote
I totally agree with memo
If one don't give a shit to the situation, don't vote.
But then you, Metal, voted no, and ignoring ursus (gamefreak)'s questioning about your decision.

Title: Re: MetalDeerSolid -- Regular abuse
Post by: Juan_Ambriz on September 01, 2012, 08:12:51 AM
Lets not lock this and such until metalbeer responds, just to see what he has to say.
Title: Re: MetalDeerSolid -- Regular abuse
Post by: Shockah on September 01, 2012, 10:03:02 AM
If you don't keep a track of chat or anything else on the server, then you're a completely useless reg. I'd say that he needs to be at least warned.

Then a solid 30-40% of our regs need, "at least warnings".
Title: Re: MetalDeerSolid -- Regular abuse
Post by: Prox on September 01, 2012, 10:29:56 AM
Then a solid 30-40% of our regs need, "at least warnings".
I was obviously referring at this report as well.
Title: Re: MetalDeerSolid -- Regular abuse
Post by: ursus on September 01, 2012, 11:56:15 AM
I'm not so much pissed off by the fact that he voted no for fun as I am by the fact that he refused to explain himself.

Treating a votekick as an opportunity for a joke and then ignoring anyone who disagrees is not why we promote people to reg. The only purpose of the rank is to vote on kicks and bans, and that entails actually paying attention and not being a self-righteous martyr over things when you rustle the wrong jimmies.

Title: Re: MetalDeerSolid -- Regular abuse
Post by: ○ Μαρία ○ on September 01, 2012, 12:17:10 PM
What I see is a regular who was voting no because he is not taking his job seriously, or maybe just to cause issues. Gamefreak asked him cosecutivley about what his reasoning was for voting no when the majority chose otherwise, and he did not give him any reasoning, no matter his excuse. So his argument about "I have a right to my own opinion" is bullshit when he doesn't state what his opinion is. And if he really can not take the time out of his game to glance at the chat, that shows lack of responsibility in who he is as a regular, so I (http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/5350/crown1.png).
If you are voting "no" on something that a large group of others vote "yes" I think you should automatically state why you did so in order to avoid these things.

If he can not take what little responsibility he has seriously, he should not be a regular.
Title: Re: MetalDeerSolid -- Regular abuse
Post by: Sabb on September 01, 2012, 01:19:25 PM
I'm not so much pissed off by the fact that he voted no for fun as I am by the fact that he refused to explain himself.

Treating a votekick as an opportunity for a joke and then ignoring anyone who disagrees is not why we promote people to reg. The only purpose of the rank is to vote on kicks and bans, and that entails actually paying attention and not being a self-righteous martyr over things when you rustle the wrong jimmies.
I see. The fact that he's not visiting and posting on the thread isn't very promising either. Basically just shows that keeping reg isn't a priority and therefore I doubt managing the tiny bit of responsibility that he does have would be a priority either.
Still though, the whole vote thing wasn't that big of a deal. It would have been better for him to have actually paid attention and responded, or simply not have messed with the votes to avoid situations like these, but oh well.

I'm still not totally decided though. I'll think it over or get Snivy's opinion.
Title: Re: MetalDeerSolid -- Regular abuse
Post by: Sabb on September 01, 2012, 01:23:48 PM
Alright never mind. He will be demoted but I will allow him to reapply when he wants.