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The fucking karma system
Prox:
--- Quote from: Sabb on August 22, 2012, 10:16:03 AM ---And as of now when some people ask me to join the servers due to some really bad minge (but not hacker) I will still join but that won't be the case with the old system. It's simply retarded hard to manage that, but if that's what everyone wants I'm fine with that.
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As an admin, it is your duty to do so. You cannot avoid it. And if you think it's hard to manage for you then think about those people who make reports.
--- Quote from: Deacon on August 22, 2012, 08:25:57 AM ---You bring up many valid points but I must reiterate: If its such a problem, why is it that our server is always consistently full of players?
There are many people (guests) that come here BECAUSE of our karma system.
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The servers weren't empty with the old karma system either.
Now why can't we put the old karma system for some time and see how it goes, we can always switch it back.
Travelsonic:
--- Quote from: Prox on August 22, 2012, 11:35:44 AM ---Now why can't we put the old karma system for some time and see how it goes, we can always switch it back.
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IMO this talk of permakarma vs fixed karma helps stagnate discussion, whenever people think about change they think abut this when there are other forms of change to the karma system that can be made - adding a means to reset karma, tweaking gains/losses, damage reductions, etc.
Sabb:
--- Quote from: Prox on August 22, 2012, 11:35:44 AM ---As an admin, it is your duty to do so. You cannot avoid it. And if you think it's hard to manage for you then think about those people who make reports.
The servers weren't empty with the old karma system either.
Now why can't we put the old karma system for some time and see how it goes, we can always switch it back.
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Yea okay Prox. I'm not meant to be RND's bitch. When something's that hard to manage there's simply no point. I'd like to see you be promoted, join every time someone complains about a tiny RDM or something like that and manage the servers thoroughly the whole time you're there. Eventually it gets to the point that the game's unplayable for you and you'll lose interest. That's probably half the reason a lot of admins go inactive so I'm simply not going to obligate myself to that. I'm not saying that I'm just going to ignore minges and hackers and shit though. Obviously if there's a clear hacker/rule breaker they're going to be dealt with if I'm there at the time. And keep in mind who has to manage the reports as well. That also gets to be a pain but I'm saying I'm willing to do that but I'm not going to really be nearly as strict on stuff probably as there will be a LOT of people causing issues even more so if the server gets temporary karma.
Prox:
--- Quote from: Sabb on August 22, 2012, 12:27:58 PM ---Yea okay Prox. I'm not meant to be RND's bitch. When something's that hard to manage there's simply no point. I'd like to see you be promoted, join every time someone complains about a tiny RDM or something like that and manage the servers thoroughly the whole time you're there. Eventually it gets to the point that the game's unplayable for you and you'll lose interest.
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I already do this, every time someone complains I join and usually there is no need to stay for long. But I think it's understandable since you're one of the few active admins/VIPs on the server. It wouldn't be this hard if there would be more.
--- Quote from: Sabb on August 22, 2012, 12:27:58 PM ---That's probably half the reason a lot of admins go inactive so I'm simply not going to obligate myself to that.
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If that's the reason why so much admins are inactive, then it is very disappointing. Everyone who applies for this status must be able to deal with troubles on the servers, if they can't, they shouldn't apply at all.
--- Quote from: Sabb on August 22, 2012, 12:27:58 PM ---And keep in mind who has to manage the reports as well.
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That is a good thing obviously. But why do you assume that there will be so much more trouble than there already is? Of course if there would be more active higher ranked members then it could be reduced to a minimum but then again, the karma system can be switched back.
Sabb:
--- Quote from: Prox on August 22, 2012, 01:10:56 PM ---I already do this, every time someone complains I join and usually there is no need to stay for long. But I think it's understandable since you're one of the few active admins/VIPs on the server. It wouldn't be this hard if there would be more.
If that's the reason why so much admins are inactive, then it is very disappointing. Everyone who applies for this status must be able to deal with troubles on the servers, if they can't, they shouldn't apply at all.
That is a good thing obviously. But why do you assume that there will be so much more trouble than there already is? Of course if there would be more active higher ranked members then it could be reduced to a minimum but then again, the karma system can be switched back.
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I assume there will be so much more trouble because it was horrible before permanent karma and have no reason to believe it would be any different.
But still, applying for admin doesn't mean applying for a role as RND's bitch. You aren't really expected to go in-game every time someone complains, you're just expected to moderate the servers while you're in them. So no, it is not "my duty" or any other admins', and is not "unavoidable."
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