You can say no without rhythmically slapping your kid.
For how long, and what do you do when they disobey? Sure, you can send your child to time-out, but what do they really think? "oh, this isn't so bad. I just have to sit here for five minutes and then I can play again." Spanking (from my experiences) is more like, "shit, I don't want to punch my brother in the face anymore if my dad is going to spank me like that again."
Everything you wrote makes sense, but what I'm trying to get at is in today's society, simply spanking your kid is looked down upon by many people and it annoys me.
If a person does something wrong, do you rhythmically slap them, or do you tell them "No, blah blah blah". Of course you don't rhythmically slap them, because you're more likely to get your shit pushed in. Actually thinking about it, I was rhythmically slapped once by my dad. You know what I thought? Not "Oh I'm in the wrong, I'll obey you.". It was more like "Wait until I get that belt and you're going to be sorry." Even the reason of me getting rhythmically slapped was due to bias and just plain wrong.
It depends on who it is and what age they are. Obviously I'm going to punish my 5 year old kid differently from my 15 year old younger brother.
Actually thinking about it, I was rhythmically slapped once by my dad. You know what I thought? Not "Oh I'm in the wrong, I'll obey you.". It was more like "Wait until I get that belt and you're going to be sorry." Even the reason of me getting rhythmically slapped was due to bias and just plain wrong.
How old were you when this happened?
If you were around 10 and this was your first spanking, then yeah, I can sort of see why you were a bit defiant. However, when you grow up with something like that, it's part of your life style. You can't truly be mad because you knew you'd get punished for it. That conscience. "You probably don't want to talk back at dad if you don't want to get spanked again." Eventually, that becomes the norm for you. You grow up thinking, "No way in hell is my son going to talk back to me!" and so on and so forth.
When I say spanking, I mean like one or two pops. If I cursed, my dad would bring me to his room and pop my behind. I remember this one time I was playing with my brother and we were just swinging plastic swords at each other. I decided to jab him, and for whatever reason, the sword ended up going down his throat. After pulling it out and my brother ratting out on me, over exaggerating that the sword went down to his lungs, my dad proceeded to spank me twice. Did he believe my brother? Probably not the "all the way down to my lungs" part, but yes. Was I mad? a little, but more because my brother over reacted. It was never really a pop and go kind of thing though, my parents would always hug me afterwards and tell me they loved me. Maybe then I didn't care, but thinking back, I realize how much that meant to me.
How would you felt if you were treated like this by the government, or police? I'm not talking about rhythmic slapping, but getting the living shit beat out of you. It's not ethically right, so why is it okay if parents do it. They're basically the 'police' or 'government' of the household. I rather have a household where I can get my say into things without getting rhythmically slapped.
There is a reason why children are spanked and not adults. Children are still learning the difference between right and wrong. Adults have already developed their personalities and traits. It's extremely more difficult to change an adult than it is a child.
Oh and also, about those brats. The parents more than likely had no backbone in the first place, so they wouldn't do it even if it was 'allowed'. I knew a guy that did get corporeal punishment into his teens, and he still was your typical douchebag. It really depends on your traits, it's what happens to you in your childhood that either enhance them or dull them down.
Yes, that is true. But wouldn't they feel more comfortable if that was the norm? "Come on, everyone is doing it". Truth is, they probably wouldn't, but there would be those few who would. As for the kid who was still a douchebag, well, there are some things you can't change I suppose. But part of spanking is the approach I believe. There is going to be a different reaction from a child who is spanked by his/her father who uses spanking as a warning compared to parents who try to explain things and give a warning if the situation isn't all that bad.
