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Regarding my position and performance as Admin
« on: May 29, 2012, 08:17:07 PM »
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No, I'm not resigning - though some of you would probably like that. For at least 2 months now, I've been doing my absolute best to try to a) moderate the servers as best as I can and b) not abuse any of my power whatsoever. I feel like I have kept that goal almost perfectly and I don't see how I'm mistaken here. However, it's been obviously brought to my attention over and over about how horrible of and admin I am and how I abuse "on a regular basis".

I've been a major pain to Minic and asked him to sift through the logs to check for me if I have been abusing and whatnot. That was extremely generous of him to do even though he did not want to (Who would?) and he had more important things to do (Who doesn't?). He didn't look through it completely, as is understandable because it's so time consuming and not really a priority for him. I'm not exactly sure what the situation is as there was no full review done, but I have really made it a point not to do anything I shouldn't be doing.

I honestly do enjoy trying to help the servers, as I am now one of the few pseudo-active admins, and I would like to do so without being called "the worst admin to walk the face of the earth." If you have a valid complaint, criticism, suggestion, or situation you feel I've abused - please post it here. It would be much appreciated.

Thank you - and I look forward to hear your responses.

PS: I'm not trying to cause drama with this, I'm just trying to solve an inconvenient problem for everyone.

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Re: Regarding my position and performance as Admin
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2012, 09:27:56 PM »
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Why....would people say your abusing? I don't think I've ever seen you abuse your powers....

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Re: Regarding my position and performance as Admin
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2012, 09:28:58 PM »
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If you could thoroughly explain your teaming in the past, I would like that.

Not trying to start a shit storm or anything, I'd just like your view on what that was all about.

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Re: Regarding my position and performance as Admin
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2012, 09:34:49 PM »
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Although it's not recent, I had heard that you were frequently teleporting and exploding for no decent reason.

Although I hope you'll excuse my sarcasm, I wonder who taught you those commands.

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Re: Regarding my position and performance as Admin
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2012, 10:42:26 PM »
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You may be a bit quick to judge. For example, today you banned a player without really asking or thinking of the situation that was occurring at the time until afterwards. That's all I've really had experience with though

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Re: Regarding my position and performance as Admin
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2012, 03:32:40 AM »
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You may be a bit quick to judge. For example, today you banned a player without really asking or thinking of the situation that was occurring at the time until afterwards. That's all I've really had experience with though

That was my step brother (speaking of everyone calling me biased) and I had full knowledge of the situation as I was talking to him over steam when it happened.

If you could thoroughly explain your teaming in the past, I would like that.

It was just stupidity on my part. I believe it only lasted a few days, but when I found out people were getting angry I said that we needed to stop and I haven't done it since.

Although it's not recent, I had heard that you were frequently teleporting and exploding for no decent reason.

Yes, this was a few months ago. My point is that, since then, I haven't done a single thing to abuse my admin and I don't plan to.

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Re: Regarding my position and performance as Admin
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2012, 04:45:38 AM »
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People are saying it because of the many mistakes you've made in the past and probably because of how easy you got away with it(this in fact annoys me as well).
   As for now, I don't think you abuse or abuse as much as you did in the past, but of course I will disagree with some of your decisions(ie the thing with your step-brother) just like others will disagree with mine. A good thing is that you still actually play on the servers.
 By the way I was the one who said about you being biased on ab.
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Re: Regarding my position and performance as Admin
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2012, 06:21:10 AM »
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What's with the sudden rnd cancer.

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Re: Regarding my position and performance as Admin
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2012, 08:40:53 AM »
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All of you basically know me and Jman are fairly close friends, but I've had a LOT of problems with him as an admin as well, and pretty much always made him aware of that. We've argued countless times about it. However, since Jman was caught teaming with Bee and slightly abusing admin powers, he has been significantly better. The discussion that happened between me, Don, Jman, Snivy, and coolz after these issues was close to resulting in Jman being demoted but coolz decided that most of the issues with Jman were fairly insignificant how ever he trusted that Jman would fix those issues, otherwise a demotion would still be more than capable of happening. In that discussion between me, Don, Snivy, Jman, and coolz, Jman basically acknowledge all of his mistakes and explained that he would work on fixing them and how. As well, during that discussion I was in a similar situation as to now between Jman and Purple with her temporary demotion. I wasn't with nor against Jman, so I pointed out everything I'd noticed, good and bad. So he didn't just slip by a demotion because I've been defending him the entire time, because originally Don, Snivy, and I had decided to bring the issues to coolz and I agreed to point out his mistakes. He solely got himself out of that hole and I think he's truly progressed since that. Now, with Snivy resigning, he thinks that Jman was using his bias against Purple to demote her when he shouldn't have. How ever, Jman had a more than justified reason to demote Purple. I was there, and I truthfully don't think Jman had demoted Purple for his personal bias against her what so ever. As well, the demotion was and always had been temporary. I made sure Purple knew that right away. She would only be demoted for about a week's time. So, I don't honestly think there was anything wrong with Jman's decision in this case. He simply temporarily demoted her to let her know that's not acceptable. For me personally, I wouldn't have demoted her because I would have rather avoided all of the arguing that comes after it, and because it was a minor offense, but it was Jman's decision and there was truthfully nothing wrong with it. Both coolz and Minic know the full situation and have agreed. Purple was repromoted how ever, because her offense was minor, and she contributes a fair deal as VIP, and so was kept promoted. Similar to Jman's situation earlier.
As for things Jman has done in the past that he shouldn't have, there are many. I had LOTS of issues with Jman having been promoted, and didn't keep the important ones quiet. For a decent amount of time I'd been actually collecting evidence on Jman for when he would cross the line. Many things mostly involving abuse of plugins and other privleges, and some unjust bans, etc, were saved with evidence. How ever, as time went on more and more people complained, and though Jman constnatly defended himself, he did slowly improve. And since that talk between the active admins at the time, Jman has very significantly improved and I've let all my evidence get deleted, because now I don't really have any worries or problems with him. I honestly don't remember the last time I've argued about a decision Jman has made. The issues he had and mistakes he made in the past are just that. In the past. They've all been adressed by members properly, and all have been truthfully dealt with. As well, I didn't explain Jman's past problems/abuse to make him look bad obviously. I just want to stress that he has changed, but people are still dwelling on the mistakes he's made previously and refuse to believe anything different has happened. Thing is, most people complaining about Jman actually haven't probably even played with him for many many months, so they're just assuming the same is occurring. It's not. If you've got specific mistakes Jman has been making, then please do point them out, because as far as we are concerned, there are none.
I really hope that people will actually get over the fact that Jman has made many mistakes previously, and is still admin, because he is a very good contribution to the forums and servers and is very helpful as of now. I'm glad that I didn't make a bigger issue out of Jman's previous (minor) abuse or mistakes, because it really has paid off, and he really is a help, whether you see it or not.
And as for Don and Snivy resigning, don't blame Jman for it. Yes, they more or less left because they entirely disagree with Jman, but they also don't see what good he does, only the bad, or what they think is the bad. Don acted on Jman's previous poor decisions, assuming that he was still making them, and made a poor mistake to more or less result in him leaving. Snivy simply can't get over his previous decisions either, and still believes they occur.
And of course, the above wasn't mentioned to make any one look bad. Just to explain what actually happened, and that Jman's decisions for the past while have been in no way abusive, etc, and that no poor action from Jman currently resulted in them leaving, though they interpret it as poor action. If you want more detail, obviously talk to Snivy and Don for their perspective. This post isn't about them, just Jman.
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Although it's not recent, I had heard that you were frequently teleporting and exploding for no decent reason.

Although I hope you'll excuse my sarcasm, I wonder who taught you those commands.
As Jman said, he did previously, and it did cause issues. All of those issues have been resolved from the current admin (at the time) discussion.


You may be a bit quick to judge. For example, today you banned a player without really asking or thinking of the situation that was occurring at the time until afterwards. That's all I've really had experience with though
I wasn't there when that happened, but Jman did tell me he banned him. I don't really know the situation and what happened, but considering Michael hasn't mentioned anything of it to me or  any other admin, or on the forums, and that he's Jman's step brother, I highly doubt it was a "quick decision". Either way, don't just use one specific situation to make a judgement on someone, unless you experienced it or fully understand it. VERY often, admins have other proof, discussions, etc that aren't in front of everyone's eyes. You can't just assume that the admin's acting too quickly, etc. I get waaay too many complaints like this when people don't even have a clue what they're talking about.

People are saying it because of the many mistakes you've made in the past and probably because of how easy you got away with it(this in fact annoys me as well).
   As for now, I don't think you abuse or abuse as much as you did in the past, but of course I will disagree with some of your decisions(ie the thing with your step-brother) just like others will disagree with mine. A good thing is that you still actually play on the servers.
 By the way I was the one who said about you being biased on ab.

He used to get away with poor action easily when he was first promoted. That was true, and it truly pissed me off too. But of course again, that's only old news now. Nothing of that sort has happened in a fairly long time.


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Re: Regarding my position and performance as Admin
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2012, 10:53:42 AM »
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Nobody should demote for minor reasons. That is unacceptable especially Jman should know this after that big second chance he got.
   And Don didn't only saw bad decisions of Jman and didn't left because of him.


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Re: Regarding my position and performance as Admin
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2012, 10:59:11 AM »
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Nobody should demote for minor reasons. That is unacceptable especially Jman should know this after that big second chance he got.
   And Don didn't only saw bad decisions of Jman and didn't left because of him.

A) temp demote
B) justified demote; the reason was significant enough that she could have been instantly demoted on the spot PERMANENTLY, banned, warned, or anything in between. ANY decision in that case would have been fully justifiable.
C)...do you even know why she was demoted...
Prox, if Moo was in that situation, he would have banned and demoted Purple on the spot and you wouldn't have even complained about it. Moo'd basically done that to me at a point, which is basically fine. I don't know how you call Jman biased when you're literally doing that exact same thing yourself after Jman's decision has been defended by me countless times as well as Minic and coolz.


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Re: Regarding my position and performance as Admin
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2012, 11:13:51 AM »
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A) temp demote
B) justified demote; the reason was significant enough that she could have been instantly demoted on the spot PERMANENTLY, banned, warned, or anything in between. ANY decision in that case would have been fully justifiable.
C)...do you even know why she was demoted...
Prox, if Moo was in that situation, he would have banned and demoted Purple on the spot and you wouldn't have even complained about it. Moo'd basically done that to me at a point, which is basically fine. I don't know how you call Jman biased when you're literally doing that exact same thing yourself after Jman's decision has been defended by me countless times as well as Minic and coolz.
I was on the server the whole time when it happened.
I would have complained regardless which of the admins would have done it. I'm not the same as I was a year ago.
In a previous post you said it was a minor reason and now it's justified and enough to get her banned as well.
It doesn't matter to me if he's defended by the owner him self, I have an opinion of my own.

Basically, to me, it looked like a misunderstanding because if you say something jokingly it does not mean that others know what you're thinking about.
And with minor reasons I wasn't talking about Purple's temp-demotion in general, however the fact that it was a temp-demotion got out of my head when I was writing that post.





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Re: Regarding my position and performance as Admin
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2012, 11:21:56 AM »
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I was on the server the whole time when it happened.
I would have complained regardless which of the admins would have done it. I'm not the same as I was a year ago.
In a previous post you said it was a minor reason and now it's justified and enough to get her banned as well.
It doesn't matter to me if he's defended by the owner him self, I have an opinion of my own.

Basically, to me, it looked like a misunderstanding because if you say something jokingly it does not mean that others know what you're thinking about.
And with minor reasons I wasn't talking about Purple's temp-demotion in general, however the fact that it was a temp-demotion got out of my head when I was writing that post.
Yes lol... it's minor enough a reason to keep her VIP as she's also helpful, but significant enough a reason to have her demoted, or even banned temporarily, if the admin decided it fit.


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Re: Regarding my position and performance as Admin
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2012, 11:36:13 AM »
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I don't think you're bad admin Jman. You do a perfect job around TTT.

       
                                                

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Re: Regarding my position and performance as Admin
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2012, 12:30:56 PM »
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I also don't think your a bad admin, sure I see you get mad at people every once in a whole for something bad they did, but your still a coolbro

Also your mistakes in the past, are mistakes.

People need to learn that EVERYONE makes mistakes even admins.

People should not judge others on their mistakes but on the good they have done.

Just don't worry Jman your a coolbro

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