You may be a bit quick to judge. For example, today you banned a player without really asking or thinking of the situation that was occurring at the time until afterwards. That's all I've really had experience with though
If you could thoroughly explain your teaming in the past, I would like that.
Although it's not recent, I had heard that you were frequently teleporting and exploding for no decent reason.
Although it's not recent, I had heard that you were frequently teleporting and exploding for no decent reason.As Jman said, he did previously, and it did cause issues. All of those issues have been resolved from the current admin (at the time) discussion.
Although I hope you'll excuse my sarcasm, I wonder who taught you those commands.
You may be a bit quick to judge. For example, today you banned a player without really asking or thinking of the situation that was occurring at the time until afterwards. That's all I've really had experience with thoughI wasn't there when that happened, but Jman did tell me he banned him. I don't really know the situation and what happened, but considering Michael hasn't mentioned anything of it to me or any other admin, or on the forums, and that he's Jman's step brother, I highly doubt it was a "quick decision". Either way, don't just use one specific situation to make a judgement on someone, unless you experienced it or fully understand it. VERY often, admins have other proof, discussions, etc that aren't in front of everyone's eyes. You can't just assume that the admin's acting too quickly, etc. I get waaay too many complaints like this when people don't even have a clue what they're talking about.
People are saying it because of the many mistakes you've made in the past and probably because of how easy you got away with it(this in fact annoys me as well).He used to get away with poor action easily when he was first promoted. That was true, and it truly pissed me off too. But of course again, that's only old news now. Nothing of that sort has happened in a fairly long time.
As for now, I don't think you abuse or abuse as much as you did in the past, but of course I will disagree with some of your decisions(ie the thing with your step-brother) just like others will disagree with mine. A good thing is that you still actually play on the servers.
By the way I was the one who said about you being biased on ab.
Nobody should demote for minor reasons. That is unacceptable especially Jman should know this after that big second chance he got.(http://ragegenerator.com/images/ragebuilder-faces/Angry/stare.png)
And Don didn't only saw bad decisions of Jman and didn't left because of him.
(http://ragegenerator.com/images/ragebuilder-faces/Angry/stare.png)I was on the server the whole time when it happened.
A) temp demote
B) justified demote; the reason was significant enough that she could have been instantly demoted on the spot PERMANENTLY, banned, warned, or anything in between. ANY decision in that case would have been fully justifiable.
C)...do you even know why she was demoted...
Prox, if Moo was in that situation, he would have banned and demoted Purple on the spot and you wouldn't have even complained about it. Moo'd basically done that to me at a point, which is basically fine. I don't know how you call Jman biased when you're literally doing that exact same thing yourself after Jman's decision has been defended by me countless times as well as Minic and coolz.
I was on the server the whole time when it happened.Yes lol... it's minor enough a reason to keep her VIP as she's also helpful, but significant enough a reason to have her demoted, or even banned temporarily, if the admin decided it fit.
I would have complained regardless which of the admins would have done it. I'm not the same as I was a year ago.
In a previous post you said it was a minor reason and now it's justified and enough to get her banned as well.
It doesn't matter to me if he's defended by the owner him self, I have an opinion of my own.
Basically, to me, it looked like a misunderstanding because if you say something jokingly it does not mean that others know what you're thinking about.
And with minor reasons I wasn't talking about Purple's temp-demotion in general, however the fact that it was a temp-demotion got out of my head when I was writing that post.
2012-05-27 02:58:24 Why does everyone ignore his lack of intelligence and the fact that he's the most terrible admin to have ever walked the earth?
2012-05-27 17:45:35 I think he is a horrible admin who is unreliable and is itchin' to abuse his power.
2012-05-28 20:07:46 If I had to pick one admin to demote, I wouldn't even have to think before saying Jman. Honestly, he fucks up on a regular basis more than anyone. He's stubborn as shit, and as we can see he holds personal grudges and actually ACTS on them. I seriously don't know who was stupid enough to give him the power to dick around like this.
2012-05-29 19:08:32 People aren't willing anymore to put up with jman's bullshit.
2012-05-30 11:18:11 I don't want to leave, I really don't, but this isn't nearly as bad as having to put up with Jmans bullshit for another day.
If you want to be a good admin then just be one. =\Did you read ANYthing in this thread? ._.
Did you read ANYthing in this thread? ._.Yes I read the thread. What I mean specifically is that good admins usually don't get complaints like this − so there is an issue with his performance and it's not just some big misunderstanding. Better to play nice and be noticed for it than to play poorly and ask why everyone is so upset. I don't have any problems with him, but that just seems the right way to go about things. It just seems like common sense don't you think? =\
He's saying he's genuinely not a bad admin, and so am I. We're simply showing that people's view are wrongfully construed.
Yes I read the thread. What I mean specifically is that good admins usually don't get complaints like this − so there is an issue with his performance and it's not just some big misunderstanding. Better to play nice and be noticed for it than to play poorly and ask why everyone is so upset. I don't have any problems with him, but that just seems the right way to go about things. It just seems like common sense don't you think? =\
Yes I read the thread. What I mean specifically is that good admins usually don't get complaints like this − so there is an issue with his performance and it's not just some big misunderstanding. Better to play nice and be noticed for it than to play poorly and ask why everyone is so upset. I don't have any problems with him, but that just seems the right way to go about things. It just seems like common sense don't you think? =\
Yes I read the thread. What I mean specifically is that good admins usually don't get complaints like this − so there is an issue with his performance and it's not just some big misunderstanding. Better to play nice and be noticed for it than to play poorly and ask why everyone is so upset. I don't have any problems with him, but that just seems the right way to go about things. It just seems like common sense don't you think? =\Exactly what Shockah and Jman said.
You aren't going to solve anything until you stop assuming that people on the AB posted something. If you're tired of people making false accusations against you, don't do the same to them.None of what either of us have said are based off assumptions as to who's posting what on ab. A lot of people have said it straight up many different times, and others have implied it, etc. None of this is really much about ab.
I'm not commenting in this thread (besides this one) because I already said what I think was need to be said in earlier threads.
You aren't going to solve anything until you stop assuming that people on the AB posted something. If you're tired of people making false accusations against you, don't do the same to them.Don and Snivy told me they posted those things. Tiger Guy made it obvious that he posted the "Jman is our holy savior. He can do no wrong. All hail Jman and his long lactating carrot nipples he can touch with his toes while in bed. Squids."
Don and Snivy told me they posted those things.
Even in the case with snivy, who apparently left because of me, I asked him over and over for the "complaints he was receiving" and I got none, yet he continued to accuse me and post shit like that on the AB.
On topic: wowza, Jman.
Enough of your cocky attitude, Jman. Stop acting like your opinion is superior towards ours just because Minic or coolz checked PART of the logs. If you want this whole shit to stop, then for the sake of everyone change your damn attitude. That along with not abusing(which it seems you have achieved) is the key.
Sounds to me like there is a problem. I would try a different approach than "big misunderstanding" or "all in the past".
I'm not taking sides, but seriously, people need to start owning up to what they did and apologizing.
Enough of the sidestepping and deflections, this has already been supremely blown out of proportion with the resignations.
You guys are better than this.
And while I'm not 100% sure but I think I can remember you teleporting to the trap room in crummy to get scout and deagle after march 18th....no. I guarentee you I haven't. It's not that hard to follow a traitor in there, kill him, and then stay in there, which is what I usually try to do. I guarentee no abuse since March 18th.
Drama
...no. I guarentee you I haven't. It's not that hard to follow a traitor in there, kill him, and then stay in there, which is what I usually try to do. I guarentee no abuse since March 18th.No, you were doing that at the pre-round to get the guns.
that's my point, it's drama over completely nothing. everything was civilized until snivy went and posted an out-of-context chatlog and then 3 people jump on my case like that chat log encases the whole situation. it's this kind of stuff that I want to just get resolved and end already.No, you've been acting like it in this whole thread and Ab, I pointed it now because nobody else wanted to.
No, you were doing that at the pre-round to get the guns.I guarantee I have not done that a single time. Unless you can prove otherwise I will put no merit into that accusation.
No, you've been acting like it in this whole thread and Ab, I pointed it now because nobody else wanted to.I haven't been acting like that at all. I've been acting like I'm tired of you guys causing drama on the AB and various other platforms over non-existent problems, such as my performance as Admin. All I've said over and over in this thread is that I definitely do my job and regardless of what you say I think I do it pretty well, at that.
I haven't been acting like that at all. I've been acting like I'm tired of you guys causing drama on the AB and various other platforms over non-existent problems, such as my performance as Admin. All I've said over and over in this thread is that I definitely do my job and regardless of what you say I think I do it pretty well, at that.
Ya right. That's what they all say.
Was this necessary?
Do you really have that big of a problem with the way we do things?
At every opportunity you get, you criticize.
What do you mean by "we".
I just denied what Jman said was wrong.
And you suddenly just sprout out from nowhere.
Sounds to me like there is a problem. I would try a different approach than "big misunderstanding" or "all in the past".As far as his admin position goes, Jman HAS owned up to what he's done. The point is that there's nothing to have to own up to as of recently, because he's been fine.
I'm not taking sides, but seriously, people need to start owning up to what they did and apologizing.
Enough of the sidestepping and deflections, this has already been supremely blown out of proportion with the resignations.
You guys are better than this.
I guarantee I have not done that a single time. Unless you can prove otherwise I will put no merit into that accusation.While the odds of this are somewhat 2-5% in my head, I am pretty sure I saw you appearing out of nowhere near or on that table with guns.
And this thread isn't about Jman as a person, you can complain elsewhere about his attitude and such, it's strictly about his administration.The attitude leads us to the understanding of various things while it doesn't necessarily effects Jman's performance as admin, it is one of the reasons why this whole thing started.
While the odds of this are at 2-5% in my head, I am pretty sure I saw you appearing out of nowhere near or on that table with guns.The attitude leads us to the understanding of various things while it doesn't necessarily effects Jman's performance as admin, it is one of the reasons why this whole thing started.It's really one of the reasons people don't like Jman personally, and that's fine, but it still doesn't have anything to do with his admin performance, and really isn't relevant.
It's really one of the reasons people don't like Jman personally, and that's fine, but it still doesn't have anything to do with his admin performance, and really isn't relevant.I think it is relevant because it's getting in attention of others.
complaint, criticism, suggestion, or situation you feel I've abused - please post it here. It would be much appreciated.
Well let me see what I've gained so far from this thread. I owned up to previous actions and stated that I guarantee I have not abused since March 18th. I invited people to state situations in which I abused and I received none except for Prox's thinking I teleported, which I know as a fact I didn't. People started randomly calling me out for various other things which may or may not be correct.Okay, I fucking lol'd.
Pretty much, nothing. All I want is for you to tell me if I abused and how I did and also for you to tell me what I can do in order to do a better job. Notice how in the OP I said to post:
I was not trying to start problems in this thread. I was just trying to fix them.
EDIT: Oh, right. I just wanted to end my post by saying you're stupid, Excalipoor. Way to randomly lash out with no backing of your statement so you can act like you know what you're talking about.
Jman has a point about there being no substantial, without-a-doubt evidence against him.
I gotta say that you are a fucking retard for making this thread Jman. It was obvious as day that there was only one guy there posting actual threads and insults (being a samefag all damn day), and then maybe two or three people bandwagoning. Nonetheless, this fact has been proven by this thread. Nobody here has posted a single explicit grievance; they just stir the kindling and hope it makes a fire. By making this thread and posting in the anonyboard topics you indirectly validate whatever bullshit they spew.
I was the one defending him in anonyboard, and I hope he stops replying to that shit.
I gotta say that you are a fucking retard for making this thread Jman. It was obvious as day that there was only one guy there posting actual threads and insults (being a samefag all damn day), and then maybe two or three people bandwagoning. Nonetheless, this fact has been proven by this thread. Nobody here has posted a single explicit grievance; they just stir the kindling and hope it makes a fire. By making this thread and posting in the anonyboard topics you indirectly validate whatever bullshit they spew.Please, leave. You really don't know what you're talking about. He is arguing on the anonyboards too much... lol... but this thread isn't at all about that. Many people have directly made us aware (NOT THROUGH ANONYBOARDS) that they support those views etc. The thread is directed to all complaints that are serious. Not just the trolling anonyboard.
I was the one defending him in anonyboard, and I hope he stops replying to that shit.
Well the audacity of your post. "Please, leave." I didn't know that I was not entitled to my half a paragraph opinion. Sorry I didn't type an insufferable wall of text like you. Just cause I can't join the admin circlejerk or whatever doesn't mean that I don't have a valid opinion. At least from this angle the attacks on Jman appear to be unwarranted.Lol I'm in no way flaming. I'm just saying that you're uninformed, and are insulting Jman based on your lack of information.I'd put my five hundred dollars worth of flaming here too but I'd rather not sink to your level.
I gotta say that you are a fucking retard for making this thread Jman. It was obvious as day that there was only one guy there posting actual threads and insults (being a samefag all damn day), and then maybe two or three people bandwagoning. Nonetheless, this fact has been proven by this thread. Nobody here has posted a single explicit grievance; they just stir the kindling and hope it makes a fire. By making this thread and posting in the anonyboard topics you indirectly validate whatever bullshit they spew.
I was the one defending him in anonyboard, and I hope he stops replying to that shit.
Please, leave. You really don't know what you're talking about. He is arguing on the anonyboards too much... lol... but this thread isn't at all about that. Many people have directly made us aware (NOT THROUGH ANONYBOARDS) that they support those views etc. The thread is directed to all complaints that are serious. Not just the trolling anonyboard.
This should really be locked now.Um not really. There's still plenty of discussion going on. There's no total shit flinging going on yet.
Lol I'm in no way flaming. I'm just saying that you're uninformed, and are insulting Jman based on your lack of information.
Certainly sounds a lot more like flaming, or at least an attempt to flaming, than this does:
My comment had very little aggression. But, expect to get in return what you dish out.
But any ways... I've agreed that the attacks on Jman are unwarranted, that's what my tl;dr and every other post is saying. Clearly you didn't read much of it. I'm, again, only saying that you've got no right to be calling Jman a "fucking retard" for making this thread, when you're even assuming that the thread is simply based off what people in ab are saying. In reality, it's based off opinions and accusations that people have directly made, in comments, PM's, Steam messages, etc. It's hardly even related to ab.
You are a fucking retard for doing this exact retarded thing.--which is a reflection on someones actions, not directly confrontational
Please leave, you don't know what you are talking about.--which is a direct attack on someone's credibility
I just believe that the thread is fully and actually retarded.
_________________________________________________________I disagree. It's to attempt to make people understand that there isn't truly any good reason to be disliking Jman as admin currently and that there is some proof to support that he has been a help and hasn't been a nuisance.
Here's the "I address sabb directly, not the thread" section of bullshit.
Sorry you can't pick up the difference between --which is a reflection on someones actions, not directly confrontational
and --which is a direct attack on someone's credibility
The presence of a surface insult is far less demeaning than a roundabout request for someone to 'fuck off'. I guess you misconstrue the entire post because I attempt to grab the reader with a real one liner. The nuances of English are subtle for some uninformed people.
Did you pick up on that? That was an insult to your intelligence, yet it is far more confrontational than my original post. I'm sure you agree that the less obvious insult has more impact that way and is thus more hostile.
Anyway(no s), the on topic line.
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I'll try to level with you guys, since I'm a little too abusive for more people's tastes:
I think you should've just had a 1 on 1 with those people that Sabb mentions, Jman. Let me clarify.
I'd first like you to notice that I waited to post till the thread was a page in so that my point would be self evident instead of speculative. As I see it, this thread is the corner Jman has gratuitously allocated to fence any insults people would like to make public. Now, do you see any well constructed and based insults? Do you see any valid points of contention? No?
My point is proven. That point being that the (subconscious) purpose of this thread was to address concerns the faceless public has (read AB and otherwise), and THAT IS FUCKING RETARDED, because those posts that lead to this thread were baseless and Jman should've known that. They will only serve to validate those posts.
However, once more I feel the need to reiterate that I have nothing against Jman or his policies, and actively defended him in the AB threads. I just believe that the thread is fully and actually retarded.
That is my opinion on the thread.
You seem to be forgetting that you started abusing before others started insulting you. Even though you got better don't act like you're completely innocent.
Did I say I was completely innocent? No. I completely acknowledged what I did in the past. What I'm saying is that it's utterly moronic to wallow over issues that have already been solved. It would be one thing if I didn't change from the past and continued to do things admins shouldn't do. However, the fact of the matter is that I did change and have not done anything admins shouldn't do. I've done my best to help and will continue to try to help. The community's support would just be an added bonus that will not affect my admin performance.I've just been getting the impression that you did.
Also it seems to me that you are trying to force people change their opinion about you.
The community's support would just be an added bonus that will not affect my admin performance.If I change your opinions it doesn't technically "matter," but it would be a nice personal bonus.
If you would read my post completely I say the exact opposite.