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Re: Time Machine doesn't exist even in the future.
« Reply #60 on: July 27, 2010, 04:05:21 AM »
a·the·ist
n.
"One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods."


Sounds like you do do believe the existence of God or gods. I am confused.
this goes against your "atheism".  Sounds like you do believe that he existed at some point.


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I DON'T BELIEVE IN GODS, JESUS WAS A REAL PERSON THAT EXISTED A LONG TIME AGO, HE DIDN'T DO MIRACLES AND ALL THAT BULLSHIT, HE WAS A NORMAL, BUT SMART GUY THAT HELPED PEOPLE. ~END


Jesus could've existed. But without the miracles and resurrection and the other shit.


But yeah.


>I'm an Atheist and a Jew, you have 2 reasons to hate me.

How can you be religious and atheist at the same time?

I'm not religious lol Israel and USA are different, we have something called "Edot", so my eda is Jew, kind of hard to explain in English, but that's why I can't visit many countries, doesn't matter if I'm Atheist or not.

Just like how Hitler was a jew.

And we celebrate his birthday on 4/20.

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LOL HITLER WAS JEW ROFLMAO if he was Jew the holocaust would never happen.

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Re: Time Machine doesn't exist even in the future.
« Reply #61 on: July 27, 2010, 04:56:21 AM »

I DON'T BELIEVE IN GODS, JESUS WAS A REAL PERSON THAT EXISTED A LONG TIME AGO, HE DIDN'T DO MIRACLES AND ALL THAT BULLSHIT, HE WAS A NORMAL, BUT SMART GUY THAT HELPED PEOPLE. ~END



oh. my confusion has been cleared. You do believe that the character Jesus existed at some point and that he was normal but a smart guy that helped people.

LOL.

WTH! lol, haven't you guys watch Back to the Future! Haven't you learned... Time machines would be hell!

Oh dude I know man!!!!! But I still want to see but i'd prefer it to have an undo button LOL for the convenience of it!
Like what if I go back into the past and undo something BAD that I did.
If I run into myself in the hallway wouldnt that cause a black hole LOL.


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Re: Time Machine doesn't exist even in the future.
« Reply #62 on: July 27, 2010, 07:48:39 AM »
I understood shit, Artik. SHIT.

Shit meaning nothing, of course.
Explain yourself better.

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Re: Time Machine doesn't exist even in the future.
« Reply #63 on: July 27, 2010, 08:39:11 AM »
Lolwut you talking about? it's all about wormholes, a wormhole can start in usa and end in israel.
It can also start and end at the same place, kinda random.


This depends what kind of time machine you use. If you are using one that moves you from point to point in both space and time, such as a stargate-esque machine, you would not have to take the change in location into consideration. However, if you used one like the Delorean, you would probably warp your dumb ass self into deep space. Let me draw you a picture. This picture does not take the motion of the entire solar system around the galactic core into account.




You are assuming that time travel would nessisarily involve wormholes. Most theories for time travel in fact do not involve wormholes. Even if they did, the only way you could use one to travel back in time to a guaranteed location (such as 2010 USA to 1990 Israel), is if they were based in some real location, like a stargate, where the mechanism generates a wormhole between two devices. Most theories for time travel involve one device, moving itself in time through its own power alone.
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Re: Time Machine doesn't exist even in the future.
« Reply #64 on: July 27, 2010, 09:24:09 AM »
Roads? Where we're going, we don't need roads!

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Re: Time Machine doesn't exist even in the future.
« Reply #65 on: July 27, 2010, 10:54:36 AM »
I understood shit, Artik. SHIT.

Shit meaning nothing, of course.
Explain yourself better.

Sorry I can't, also because there are no words in English for some words I need to use, like "Edot", which makes everything even harder and more complicated......


This depends what kind of time machine you use. If you are using one that moves you from point to point in both space and time, such as a stargate-esque machine, you would not have to take the change in location into consideration. However, if you used one like the Delorean, you would probably warp your dumb ass self into deep space. Let me draw you a picture. This picture does not take the motion of the entire solar system around the galactic core into account.




You are assuming that time travel would nessisarily involve wormholes. Most theories for time travel in fact do not involve wormholes. Even if they did, the only way you could use one to travel back in time to a guaranteed location (such as 2010 USA to 1990 Israel), is if they were based in some real location, like a stargate, where the mechanism generates a wormhole between two devices. Most theories for time travel involve one device, moving itself in time through its own power alone.

Oh now I understand what you meant, and I agree with you, except the thing about traveling BACK in time, traveling to the future makes more sense, though I don't really care about time machines, I think that the world would be better without them.

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Re: Time Machine doesn't exist even in the future.
« Reply #66 on: July 27, 2010, 11:00:54 AM »
World will be shit when they create time machines.

If they don't already exist.

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Re: Time Machine doesn't exist even in the future.
« Reply #67 on: July 27, 2010, 12:13:52 PM »
The aliens we "encounter" all over the world are us from the future. Our kind. They are humans who traveled back in time (our present time now) to mess with us with all these UFO shit for the shits and giggles..


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Re: Time Machine doesn't exist even in the future.
« Reply #68 on: July 27, 2010, 02:41:09 PM »
Or it could be humans from the future observing why the earth was destroyed :0.




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Re: Time Machine doesn't exist even in the future.
« Reply #69 on: July 27, 2010, 03:09:56 PM »
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Re: Time Machine doesn't exist even in the future.
« Reply #70 on: July 27, 2010, 03:11:23 PM »
-COME WITH ME TO THE FUTURE THERE HAS BEEN A TERRIBLE INCIDENT ABOUT YOUR DAUGHTER! WE HAVE TO SAVE HER!

-what happened to our daughter?!

-SHE MARRIED A BLACK MAN!

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Re: Time Machine doesn't exist even in the future.
« Reply #71 on: July 27, 2010, 03:31:33 PM »
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Re: Time Machine doesn't exist even in the future.
« Reply #72 on: July 27, 2010, 11:35:12 PM »
I've been thinking about this for sometime when I am going to sleep or in my free time.
Let's just get on to it,
I kept promising myself that when I have a Time Machine, I would go to this specific time(RIGHT NOW) and give the Time Machine to my past self(which is now).
Wouldn't that makes my future self to go back in the past, which is now, and give the time machine to me?
Well thats just my theory.

What if you (between the timespan of 0.0001 seconds and the point at which you TIEMTRAVUL) decide (THEN) that there's some sort of... Appropriate timing or something? Thus you don't "immediately" (like, in a week or something so you won't sound crazy if you rant to others like us that you are going to come back in a time machine, and it happens 3 minutes later) visit yourself? Or, what if the machine is too big or inadvertently Sticks out like someone from 1993 in 2004? Or, Maybe something happened to you... Too Old/young (to "drive" a time machine [DELOREAN FTW even though... like... space ohshi], or just to old to time travel without getting lost in 2000, or even 1450), maybe you've changed so much you'd scare yourself? Maybe your a cyborg. Too Cold-hearted (if you even still use that) to care for lost human goals. What if you die/are injured/anything really before you can do said thing? Maybe you just wanted to "test-out" this Bad assery that is time travel, and fuck up the timeline so bad that the events that will lead to the Time-travel Inventor to never be inspired to build, or even be born to build the time machine? Small things like Nikola Tesla and his Infinite energy proposition. Maybe you kill that. Maybe Abe Lincoln wasn't supposed to be assassinated originally, him probably funding this inventors GREAT GREAT grandfather's obsession to invent small but innovative machines for, let's say Abe. I dunno, roll with me here. That could have became a Hobby, a Passion throughout his family's history, him maybe being born into a rich estate or something, that allowing him to fuck with whatever he wants with infinite money and infinite materials, thus the TIEM MACSHIN is born. That one theory here I made up on the spot is based upon this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_travel#Rules_of_time_travel
It states that:

   
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1. There is a single fixed history, which is self-consistent and unchangeable. In this version, everything happens on a single timeline which doesn't contradict itself and can't interact with anything potentially existing outside of it.

A man travelling a few seconds into the past in a single self-consistent timeline.

        1.1 This can be simply achieved by applying the Novikov self-consistency principle, named after Dr. Igor Dmitrievich Novikov, Professor of Astrophysics at Copenhagen University. The principle states that the timeline is totally fixed, and any actions taken by a time traveler were part of history all along, so it is impossible for the time traveler to "change" history in any way. The time traveler's actions may be the cause of events in their own past though, which leads to the potential for circular causation and the predestination paradox; for examples of circular causation, see Robert A. Heinlein's story "By His Bootstraps". The Novikov self-consistency principle proposes that the local laws of physics in a region of spacetime containing time travelers cannot be any different from the local laws of physics in any other region of spacetime.[penis]

        1.2 Alternatively, new physical laws take effect regarding time travel that thwarts attempts to change the past (contradicting the assumption mentioned in 1.1 above that the laws that apply to time travelers are the same ones that apply to everyone else). These new physical laws can be as unsubtle as to reject time travelers who travel to the past to change it by pulling them back to the point from when they came as Michael Moorcock's The Dancers at the End of Time or where the traveler is rendered an noncorporeal phantom unable to physically interact with the past such as in some Pre-Crisis Superman stories and Michael Garrett's "Brief Encounter" in Twilight Zone Magazine May 1981.

    2. History is flexible and is subject to change (Plastic Time)

        2.1 Changes to history are easy and can impact the traveler, the world, or both

            Examples include Doctor Who and the Back to the Future trilogy. In some cases, any resulting paradoxes can be devastating, threatening the very existence of the universe. In other cases the traveler simply cannot return home. The extreme version of this (Chaotic Time) is that history is very sensitive to changes with even small changes having large impacts such as in Ray Bradbury's "A Sound of Thunder".

        2.2 History is change resistant in direct relationship to the importance of the event ie. small trivial events can be readily changed but large ones take great effort.

            In the Twilight Zone episode "Back There" a traveler tries to prevent the assassination of President Lincoln and fails, but his actions have made subtle changes to the status quo in his own time (e.g. a man who had been the butler of his gentleman's club is now a rich tycoon).
            In the 2002 remake of The Time Machine, it is explained via a vision why Hartdegen could not save his sweetheart Emma — doing so would have resulted in his never developing the time machine he used to try and save her.
            In The Saga of Darren Shan, major events in the past cannot be changed, but their details can alter while providing the same outcome. Under this model, if a time traveler were to go back in time and kill Hitler, another Nazi would simply take his place and commit his same actions, leaving the broader course of history unchanged.
            In the Doctor Who episode The Waters of Mars, Captain Adelaide Brooke's death on Mars is the most singular catalyst of human travel outside the solar system. At first, the Doctor realizes her death is a "fixed point in time" and does not intervene, but later defies this rule and transports her and her crew to Earth. Rather than allow human history to change, Captain Brooke commits suicide on Earth, leaving history mostly unchanged.

Time travel under the parallel universe hypothesis. Notice the break of symmetry, and the possibility for one traveler to prevent his own double from using the time machine.

    3. Alternate timelines. In this version of time travel, there are multiple coexisting alternate histories, so that when the traveler goes back in time, she ends up in a new timeline where historical events can differ from the timeline she came from, but her original timeline does not cease to exist (this means the grandfather paradox can be avoided since even if the time traveler's grandfather is killed at a young age in the new timeline, he still survived to have children in the original timeline, so there is still a causal explanation for the traveler's existence). Time travel may actually create a new timeline that diverges from the original timeline at the moment the time traveler appears in the past, or the traveler may arrive in an already existing parallel universe (though unless the parallel universe's history was identical to the time traveler's history up until the point where the time traveler appeared, it is questionable whether the latter version qualifies as 'time travel').

        James P. Hogan's The Proteus Operation fully explains parallel universe time travel in chapter 20 where it has Einstein explaining that all the outcomes already exist and all time travel does is change which already existing branch you will experience.

        Though Star Trek has a long tradition of using the 2.1 mechanic, as seen in "City on the Edge of Forever", "Tomorrow is Yesterday", "Time and Again", "Future's End", "Before and After", "Endgame" and as late as Enterprise's Temporal Cold War, "Parallels" had an example of what Data called "quantum realities." His exact words on the matter were "But there is a theory in quantum physics that all possibilities that can happen do happen in alternate quantum realities," suggesting the writers were thinking of the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics.

        Michael Crichton's novel Timeline takes the approach that all time travel really is travel to an already existing parallel universe where time passes at a slower rate than our own but actions in any of these parallel universes may have already occurred in our past. It is unclear from the novel if any sizable change in events of these parallel universe can be made.

        In the Homeline setting of GURPS Infinite Worlds there are echos — parallel universes at an early part of Homeline's history but changes to their history do not affect Homeline's history. However tampering with their history can cause them to shift quanta making access harder if not impossible.

Now, let's say that, this universe is 1 indefinitely, as it was always this, nothing else. If this is true, then everything in GREEN is true.

If this universe was primarily 2, then everything in YELLOW is True. Everything in Green may be a result of 2.1 or 2.2 .

If everything in this universe is 3, Then...well... it's most likely that you create another reality in which you did just visit yourself and many other things, but, It hasn't happened here. Basically Everything is true in the case that it does not take place here, but in a seemingly identical reality up until the point of Time Travel. So basically your Time Duplicate(s) or original is getting lucky with those Intergalactic Future babes or whatever the hell kids do these day-I mean, those days. You should be Envious that He gets to do all the cool shit and you get stuck here. You should, like, observe some quarks differently; (*pop* WOOP IM MAGIK beeeitch!)
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The quantum suicide thought experiment

Unlike Schrödinger's cat-in-a-box thought experiment which used poison gas and a radioactive decay trigger, this human version involves some sort of lethal weapon and a machine which measures the spin value of a photon. Every 10 seconds, the spin value of a randomly passing photon is measured. Depending on the orientation of the spin, either the weapon is deployed and the man is killed, or it is not and he lives.

With each run of the experiment there is a 50-50 chance that the weapon will be triggered and the experimenter will die. According to the Copenhagen interpretation, the weapon will (in all likelihood) eventually be triggered and the experimenter will die. If the many-worlds interpretation is correct then at each run of the experiment, the experimenter will be split into several worlds in which he dies and a few worlds in which he survives. In the worlds where the experimenter dies, he will cease to be a conscious entity.

However, from the point of view of the non-dead copies of the experimenter, the experiment will continue running without his ceasing to exist, because at each branch, he will only be able to observe the result in the world in which he survives, and if many-worlds is correct, the surviving copies of the experimenter will notice that he never seems to die, therefore "proving" himself to be invulnerable to the killing mechanism in question, from his own point of view.

If the many-worlds interpretation is true, the measure (given in the many-worlds interpretation by the squared norm of the wavefunction) of the surviving copies of the experimenter will decrease by 50% with each run of the experiment, but will remain non-zero. So, if the surviving copies become experimenters, those copies will either die during their first attempt, or survive creating duplicates of themselves (copies of copies, that will survive finitely or die).
and basically like, STRAIN to observe that one quark identically to your copy and "become" him, swap places with him, Assimilate him, or see into his reality and kick him in the Time-Duplicate-or-original Balls. That'll teach his Alternate-reality Children to mess with you... I mean, their Father... er, what is basically their father that didn't do cool shit like their was-gonna-be-father did and in some OTHER version upon which the sperm still survived and tales were told you get your ass kicked in another reality and well, just hope your in the Chronological Cubicle that's full of post-it notes from 'who-knows-when-cause-nothing-cool-happens-here' that have collected dust, and the phone doesn't work... and there's a windows 98 screensaver on the Bulky monitor. Or, like, paper or something.

Thanks for giving me something do to for shits and giggles or whatever for a couple minutes. Colour codedness doesn't exist now cause I came back and slapped myself and created 3 different realities.

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Re: Time Machine doesn't exist even in the future.
« Reply #73 on: July 28, 2010, 04:47:55 AM »
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Re: Time Machine doesn't exist even in the future.
« Reply #74 on: July 28, 2010, 05:40:39 AM »


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