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Introductions/Apps/Suggestions => Server Requests/Suggestions => Topic started by: PhrozenFox on May 28, 2010, 04:45:20 PM
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[Patent Pending]
I would have to say I have spent most of my time on Flood, probably more than any other well known (and I use that loosely) respected.
I would like to compile a list of suggestions, no matter how good or how bad (be serious, I will be able to tell) and add up the numbers, then allow the highest few to be voted on.
Rules need to be changed, I cannot possibly stress that enough, even with a giant megaphone attached to a steel toe boot; the rules need to change.
Maps cannot simply be added without full testing to ensure they cannot be abused.
-The jeep in grass needs to be removed.
-Raise the water level in RND so that it reaches all the way to the bottom, and if possible, remove the outside or make the glass thicker.
-Canal is easy to glitch but I don't see any way to stop it.
All the other maps I have not been able to glitch into.
VIP
I have seen MULTIPLE threads asking if we could have a VIP rank in the servers, the problem was that it was not clearly laid out, or it was poorly written.
I think VIP would undoubtely SAVE this situation in flood -ONLY- if given to the correct people. FURTHERMORE: being a VIP would put you on a probationary period in which being reported (with a video, steam ID, AND chat log) would most INDEFINITELY result in you being demoted.
That said, I suggest that IF ONLY, VIPs would be able to instantly kick without a time limit. Personally, if somebody was being an asshole but technically not doing anything wrong, I would VOTE to kick them, and let the server decide. THIS would most UNDOUBTELY -END- money rounding as long as a VIP was present.
Some people who could be VIP:
KRASHER: He is TOP VOTE right now to be an admin, and this could be a way to show he's up for it.
PHROZENFOX: Of course me, I suggested it. But furthermore, I am 19, I think I am old and mature enough for a responsibility such as this, and I've been getting so tired of money rounding, I've made an entire thread about it.
SHAWN: Even though I've just met him, I can tell he is most definitely mature enough to handle a position of such power.
JIM-ONIONS: He does not put up with money rounding or glitching, even when I did it, just to scout for glitchers, he made certain I would not forget how intent he was on stopping it.
BOAT SINKER: He's been around for a long time, and his name implies he really cares about flood.
TIGER GUY: I have not seen him do wrong, and he shrugs off insults rather well.
I would suggest FRANK, but as of late he has stopped caring about RND, certainly I would put him right up top with KRASHER if he were to change his attitude.
RULES:
The rules need to be changed.
Obviously, the first one: Do not shoot the boat you are on. Do not jump off the boat you were on and start shooting it.
Oh, I am going to leave the server, so I'm just going to ruin it for everybody. I don't think so buddy.
Respect the respected and Admins (and VIPS if added) They're here to moderate the server, not try to ruin your fun.
Respected, Admins, (and VIP) cannot give you money, Super Admins -will- not give you money. It's just annoying man.
I will think of some later, I'll also add some that people submit.
Rudimentary Instructions
We need to set up a list of really simple instructions so that newbies can learn how to play flood instead of asking people who are trying to play.
I have seen a lot of newbies join and ask wtf to do, then they leave and never come back.
-Use the prop spawning menu to spawn pieces that you want for your boat.
-Use the nail or rope tool to bind the pieces together.
-Try to knock people off of their boats by shooting at them or their boat.
-The last person alive will get a bonus of $500 and be alive until the next building round.
Something along those lines.
LIST OF MISC SUGGESTIONS
Provided by users
--Frank- Test maps before adding This is the problem we have with Grass, RND and Canal.
Make a weekly deep research about the maps. See if there's a way to glitch, or whatever. No secret rooms, admin rooms, any kind of shit like that. That only creates disturbs and arguings. I agree completely, there will always be new glitches, but I think Respected and VIP should be able to find that easily enough. Perhaps we could have a "Report a glitch" subforum?
--Shawn- People become respected to get advanced dupe in Wire, perhaps have another group to have advanced dupe? Sounds like a good idea, but I think VIP is the only other available group.
--Tiger Guy- Make a seperate chat server only Admins and VIP can see (Or respected if VIP isn't added) Great idea. This would ensure that people who are minging are unable to see that they are in any danger, and the colour code system would work ever so much better.
--Boat Sinker- press f1 = flood tutorial (in words) An intuitive way to get help, F1, would definitely be a lot easier. I find myself having to explain the game mode every other hour.
--OSHIT- gravity gun in fight rounds. for pushing your boat around, cause the crowbar is really slow for large ships,
and you could throw explosive barrels during fight round That would be pretty cool, but obviously end in very easily prop pushing people off boats.
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Awesome :P!
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Awesome :P!
Care to offer some suggestions?
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I agree with all and each one of your ideas. The right power, in the right hands, can change the entire course of Flood.
Ideas...
Test maps before adding. Do not add right away, despite they're creator.
Make a weekly deep research about the maps. See if there's a way to glitch, or whatever. No secret rooms, admin rooms, any kind of shit like that. That only creates disturbs and arguings.
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I would love Flood to be saved. I really would.
But I just think it isn't as simple as it sounds.
About the VIP thing. Sure, you say now "oh, it will save everything, if given to the right person.". Well, who decides who is the right person? It's the same thing with Respected. Respected is a good thing. IF given to the right person. Is it given to the right person? No, it isn't. How can we be sure that VIP will not end in a wave of VIPtards?
Yes, it can save Flood. But it can also end in a disaster, that's all I'm saying.
I agree with the Rule change, just not with the you have to respect respected-thingie. How can you respect a "respected" that calls you a pusymotherfuckinghomofagretard all the time? Correct, you can't. But that's just unimportant, I completely agree with this section.
And I agree 100% with the Map thing. If coolz doesn't have the time to check out all maps, he can give them to the community. It's retarded how many glitchy maps there are, especially fm_grass which was recently put on again. Lua errors, "secret" room everyone knows about, etc. It's just stupid.
But meh, I stopped really caring about Flood quite some time ago, I would love to be able to actually build boats and enjoy Flood again. I would also love to be a person you can actually respect on Flood again. But it sure isn't making that an easy thing AT ALL. What Flood really needs is an Admin that is actually active on Flood. And no, there is no one so far.
Good job with this Topic Phrozen. Seriously.
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I would love Flood to be saved. I really would.
But I just think it isn't as simple as it sounds.
About the VIP thing. Sure, you say now "oh, it will save everything, if given to the right person.". Well, who decides who is the right person? It's the same thing with Respected. Respected is a good thing. IF given to the right person. Is it given to the right person? No, it isn't. How can we be sure that VIP will not end in a wave of VIPtards?
Yes, it can save Flood. But it can also end in a disaster, that's all I'm saying.
I agree with the Rule change, just not with the you have to respect respected-thingie. How can you respect a "respected" that calls you a pusymotherfuckinghomofagretard all the time? Correct, you can't. But that's just unimportant, I completely agree with this section.
And I agree 100% with the Map thing. If coolz doesn't have the time to check out all maps, he can give them to the community. It's retarded how many glitchy maps there are, especially fm_grass which was recently put on again. Lua errors, "secret" room everyone knows about, etc. It's just stupid.
But meh, I stopped really caring about Flood quite some time ago, I would love to be able to actually build boats and enjoy Flood again. I would also love to be a person you can actually respect on Flood again. But it sure isn't making that an easy thing AT ALL. What Flood really needs is an Admin that is actually active on Flood. And no, there is no one so far.
Good job with this Topic Phrozen. Seriously.
I don't have trouble with people respecting me. Honestly, people are generally respectful if your voice is tolerable.
Obviously, VIP would be selected with the same zeal as admins.
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Rules need to be changed, I cannot possibly stress that enough, even with a giant megaphone attached to a steel toe boot; the rules need to change.
Some people who could be VIP:
SHAWN: Even though I've just met him, I can tell he is most definitely mature enough to handle a position of such power.
Rules most defiantly need to be updated, also thanks for the sponsoring Lol
I just think it isn't as simple as it sounds.
About the VIP thing.
I agree with the Rule change, just not with the you have to respect respected-thingie.
Reason why alot of respected are morons is because they wanted respected just to get advance dupe in wire... then they noticed "Oh i can kick people from all servers YAY!" How about make a simple group that would give people advance dupe just for wire... and not have all the "respected" tools
And How about show respect to those that show you it?
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I would play flood, but moneyrounders ruin it. :(
I support Phrozen's cause.
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I would play flood, but moneyrounders ruin it. :(
I support Phrozen's cause.
Would you like to suggest some...suggestions?
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Would you like to suggest some...suggestions?
1. Putting me in VIP list (Just kidding)
2. Make a chat that only VIP/Admins can see all over the rnd servers (/911 or something like that to call for help) so that they can see it, and go to the server that needs help.
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1. Putting me in VIP list (Just kidding)
2. Make a chat that only VIP/Admins can see all over the rnd servers (/911 or something like that to call for help) so that they can see it, and go to the server that needs help.
Ahh yes, I was just grabbing the first person I saw for VIP, I doubt that's going to be like, THE VIP LIST, but alright.
Second, GOOD IDEA.
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Obviously, VIP would be selected with the same zeal as admins.
If that's the case (and if you have to actually apply for it), then I'm perfectly fine with it.
/Edit: Btw, thanks for not taking me into the VIP list lol, it made me behave normal again on Flood.
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Come on guys, if you have some good suggestions this might actually happen. We need to upload videos and stuff, pictures, etc and put them in here.
The evidence must be so devestating that Coolz/Ruben poop themselves and fix it.
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Come on guys, I know you have some good suggestions, we need to change flood for the better and this is how we start!
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We have discussed this many times before. VIP is not happening, please stop asking about it.
Instead the whole respected system will be redone, It's already on the list of items to be completed.
Just be patient.
The main problem with flood at the moment, is we don't have anyone available to work on it. As far as finding evidence that there are problems with flood Ruben and Coolz already know there are serious problems with it, that's not the issue. The issue is having enough time to recode it. Coolz has a list a mile long for other things to do for Rnd. And I think Ruben is off focusing on schooling. And no one has seen or heard from Minic in several months.
So some new coding blood might help the community out a lot.
If you really want to see results on fixing the flood mode. Draw up new ideas on how to make it work better and be more fun in the long term. And start re-coding the flood game-mode from scratch.
Things to consider in the redesign:
1. Be designed in a way as to encourage people building boats
2. Have more balance in the prop selection, there should be more than just 2 or 3 good props to use in boat design
3. Money hording shouldn't be encouraged (ex: really expensive weapons are super overpowered)
4. Try to encorage different boat designs
That's all that comes to my mind at the moment. But basically, just think of all the ways that flood is lame and boring at the moment, and think up a way that will make it fun again. I tend to frown upon RPG systems in games like flood, because it unbalances the game into rich players favor far too much. But that might be what keeps flood so popular for so long is that it does encourage people to play it a lot. But it sure doesn't make it all that much fun.
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Xrain, Krasher has been asking for Admin for this very reason.
Certainly, with him in charge while Ruben is on hiatus, we could refine Flood into an enjoyable experience, and of course, I will always ask for the community's opinion on any changes.
Ruben is working on Flood 2.0, so I doubt he would mind if we rehashed old Flood until then.
Of course, everything I put in my post is merely a suggestion.
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The other day me and don played the perfect game. There were several boats and when ours won, everyone jumped off right away. Then the next round everyone hopped on the same boat and fuxed it up :(
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My topic fails. :C
An hero.
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It's not a fail, it's just very few people actually care about flood.
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What about the children? D:
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The main problem with flood at the moment, is we don't have anyone available to work on it.
Things to consider in the redesign:
1. Be designed in a way as to encourage people building boats
2. Have more balance in the prop selection, there should be more than just 2 or 3 good props to use in boat design
3. Money hording shouldn't be encouraged (ex: really expensive weapons are super overpowered)
4. Try to encorage different boat designs
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It is a LOT of pressure with people asking you to continuously fix things.
Other than that --- F' it. I will start working on the current Flood, I will start uploading modifications to the code.
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As i said Before, maybe adding new weapons to Flood and removing the Para from flood, also decreasing the damage of the MP5 from 7 to 3. if we can do that, it would be very helpful for flood to stay alive. I am one of the few members that still care so much about flood, and if the V.I.P idea will ever be accepted, maybe adding me to that list PhrozenPhox posted, Many reasons why. I have been a respected for over a year, and i saw how the rules of flood have been outdated constantly. The rules to Flood must be updated, maybe a vote on the new rules. I agree with Phrozen about the Map suggesting, a couple of the maps are glitchable. A good thing is that the Map (fm_grass) was removed, thank god ;D. When i have my PC fixed, i will try to see improvements on flood, and help krasher if their is help needed. We all know that Ruben is in college, and the New Flood Project was nearly halted. Maybe we could have a new team to improve and work on the new flood, having people supervise the flood server to see what normal players would do to survive. Then use that information gathered to anylize the problem, and conclude with a situation to fix Flood. Thank you, and have a nice day.
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We dont have any more time!
We must take action NOW!
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Messing around with GUI.
I am going to have alot more freetime when school is out this Thursday. During the Summer i will have Quite some amount of work done, i will Be needing somewhat amount of help though. I am also trying to improve ttt and its prop Killing.
I am doing this for you guys :).
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We's working wif kewlz. Expect good stuff coming.
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It is a LOT of pressure with people asking you to continuously fix things.
Other than that --- F' it. I will start working on the current Flood, I will start uploading modifications to the code.
Just remember what I said tho, don't just start changing things, sit down with a pencil and paper and write out everything you want to do. Get the big picture fleshed out, and try to think about what ramifications that your changes will cause.
While the technical stuff does tend to take a lot of time, it would be a shame to spend a lot of time on something, only to find out it wasn't used by the players in anyway you intended it to be, or it simply doesn't make flood any more fun and all that times you spent on it goes to waste.
P.S. Don't give me that face, and welcome to the world of online community volunteering, where the under-appreciated, slave-whipped, and often whined at roam the inter-webs. :)
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Just remember what I said tho, don't just start changing things, sit down with a pencil and paper and write out everything you want to do. Get the big picture fleshed out, and try to think about what ramifications that your changes will cause.
While the technical stuff does tend to take a lot of time, it would be a shame to spend a lot of time on something, only to find out it wasn't used by the players in anyway you intended it to be, or it simply doesn't make flood any more fun and all that times you spent on it goes to waste.
P.S. Don't give me that face, and welcome to the world of online community volunteering, where the under-appreciated, slave-whipped, and often whined at roam the inter-webs. :)
That in nö Way moved me.
PS Dont give me that face, welcome to the world of you be talking to someone who already knows the process.
:PPPP
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Alright, enough spam. Get the topic back on its rails or it goes down the old dusty way of all the other flood suggestion topics.
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Alright, enough spam. Get the topic back on its rails or it goes down the old dusty way of all the other flood suggestion topics.
That's when I quit, I tolda Frank I did, I did.
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I may have posted this in the wrong forum, but it sums up my thoughts about the current changes:
http://forum.randomgs.co.cc/index.php/topic,3961.0.html (http://forum.randomgs.co.cc/index.php/topic,3961.0.html)
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Care to offer some suggestions?
press f1 = flood tutorial (in words). and any extra stuff
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press f1 = flood tutorial (in words). and any extra stuff
good shit
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Ahh like the admin button. There should also be A BIG HELP button. So ppl dont ask.
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gravity gun in fight rounds.
for pushing your boat around, cause the crowbar is really slow for large ships,
and you could throw explosive barrels during fight round
ALSO
Some more useful props would be appreciated.
Ex:
a small, weak (10 hp maybe), superboyant object costing maybe 300-600$ and supporting far more than it's own weight. (possibly the soda can)
a heavy, plating-like object (1000-2000 hp, 1000-2000$), it would not float by itself, and would drag many objects down. (enough weight that if one was attached to a single vending machine, it would sink.) NOTE: this object and the superboyant object would counteract eachother to float much like the cheap bookcase.
a worthwhile mainframe alternative for the vending machine. some squarish prop to form the base of a boat
an undented blue plastic barrel with 150 hp and cost.
My Updated Suggestions.
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how about making it so that if more than 2 people survive until the end of the round, they lose $500? That could stop money rounding all together
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how about making it so that if more than 2 people survive until the end of the round, they lose $500? That could stop money rounding all together
how about no?
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How about if the player is on the other players boat after a certain time they will just die
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that sounds hard, but would be cool. like say 80 seconds before end of fight round, it flashes a warning to get off other peoples boats, then 30 seconds later, it kills them if they are still on.
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(http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/7481/downloader.jpg)
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ok, well, cool. I don't know lua, but from someone who has a very basic experience with any sort of programming, glad to know it would be easy. :)
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If a mod wants to update this, feel free. I'm too busy lately.
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Don't worry, nobody will do it.
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you have a pretty nice thread here
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I still supports this thread, and i differently still support the VIP list 8)
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For all I care krasher can have admin for flood server lol
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No one plays Flood anymore.
It's fucking minge-infested and hopeless. Stop bumping this, it's useless anyway.
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BUMP
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Flood is still alive! i play on it :D
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I think you should be able to weld props to other players and push them off the boat, making them sink to the bottom.