Deacon's simple rant thread.

[Deacon]

Something has always bothered me about the way you guys think, with regards to your regards to this wondrous of gifts: the Internet.

This tool, used to transmit information between people all over the world, in the blink of an eye (depending on your download speed), has changed the world, in no small way. It has completely revolutionized every way we live our lives, changed the rules of society, and the way we do things will never be the same.

Now, you may not think about this but you must remember; our generation (me speaking in my age group --to--> younger, and of course older, don't get me wrong here), the children born in the 1990's...Our generation was the first to grow up during this age of personal computers and internet access. I understand that of course others had it before but think; we grew up learning with them, adapting as young children (4-10) to use these machines.

The point I am here to make, however, is that none of you seem to realize what this means.
What we have made the internet into; what it has become, and even, to some extent, the very website you are on; We have created a new type of society.
These websites, which may now not seem like anything but a fad (read; myspace/facebook/twitter, etc) have had a major impact on the way we communicate. The email, once revolutionary, has now been cast aside for use as a sign up aide in getting onto websites which require an email address for membership.

My point being, and this is completely a personal opinion, I do not believe most people understand that these things are important. One day, you could create a picture for a few friends; A week later, you have created a meme. Only to have it be cast out a month later as

OLD MEME IS OLD HURRRRR

but I see it differently...I see it as part of the culture we have created. These things once valued, now being shunned in favor of the new, gave us this culture. It helped grow us into who we are today. What we are.

One day, sometime in the future, the history will be written down for our children, or possibly their children, who knows.
And we will not tell them "OH THATS SO OLD NOW NO ONE LIKES IT SO LETS NOT TALK ABOUT IT".
We will tell stories.
They will be different than our parents' stories, no doubt.
But they will be OURS.

The stories of our lives, in todays world, will never be told without reference to this "wondrousblahblahwhateverthingisaidbefore".
But I feel that no one either wants this, or acknowledges it.
I feel like it is all simply cast away in favor of the next new mildly mind-numbing thing.







TL;DR: We are writing the history of the internet, but no one seems to value it, nor do they seem to understand the importance of what we are doing right now.



This is in discussion for a reason: Please, discuss.
and another thing that pisses me off:
I know "This is the internet."
But gentlemen (and ladies), THERES AN EXAMPLE RIGHT THERE; MENTLEGEN, ANYONE? ANYONE? COME ON THIS IS WHAT I MEANT BY CULTURE.
Please try to keep this civil serious.

You may be hidden anonymous and safe behind your keyboard,
But
There is no reason that means that you should also be a douche. or did, when your parents taught you how to behave, they said OH BUT ON THE INTERNET DO WHATEVER

[Hitman]

You may be hidden anonymous and safe behind your keyboard,
But
There is no reason that means that you should also be a douche.

People will never understand this.

[Foofoojack]

So what exactly is the rant about?

[Hitman]

So what exactly is the rant about?

TL;DR: We are writing the history of the internet, but no one seems to value it, nor do they seem to understand the importance of what we are doing right now.

[Foofoojack]

This website is all virtual though :/

[Bovicide]

It's the same as every new epoch. The era of the Telephone. The era of the Car. Shit the same. Sure the net is cool. Sure there is a new subculture created by the youth. Hippies did that too. So what?

[Arcoyle]

I'm sorry if I get off topic at times, but I feel it's all related somewhat and it's something I think is relevant to the conversation.

I guess I feel obligated to be serious when I am talked to in a serious way (for those who know me, yes this is possible). Deacon, you bring up some really interesting points. There is a definite psychological shift from the older generations to the younger that is brought on by the internet that not only directs our culture but negates it as well. I see your point where these memes we create are part of what our generation is about, but the truth is that we need more faster than older generations. So for anything that interests or entertains us, it is only a short amount of time before we feel the drive to move on to a different and newer thing. The internet community (the term used to describe people who populate forums and chat rooms, instead of the casual surfer) is even more deprived, dare I use the word. Its not necessarily a bad thing, its just that theres an empty hole that constant and unlimited information and, yes, even culture cannot fill. We create new directions for our culture and then move on before they can even fully develop. As a result memes don't ever really become a part of our (non-internet) society. I feel that the internet has become a testing grounds for our personalities and is a creative outlet, that we may utilize and either be heard or not.

On a side note, comedy has never been a driving factor in any culture and since most memes are comedic in origin that is why they don't really have an impact as far as I see. However I do know that memes are not your only example or your only point. I agree that our generation's culture is internet and information based, and will forever be. However, I do think that not all that is on the internet is a part of our culture, but I will concede that everything created does influence the direction cultural shifts take, if only slightly.

The society we created on the internet is something truly fantastic. It is a global society, completely free of prejudice (if you ignore the common retard and fag remarks). Think about it- when you are chatting online with someone do you think about their race, religion, where in the world they live, gender, or anything else of that nature? If you do, then I stand corrected. However, for the most part I believe what I say is true, and my observations tend to support this. This is something that has and will change the world, and no one can deny it.

I don't think anyone denies the importance of the internet on our culture, but I do think that the degree of importance is contested here. I agree with you, Deacon, on your point that it is the driving force behind what our generation will do with the world and with our society. I believe the internet has and will continue to be the greatest impact on our art, music, literature, and understanding of each other and ourselves.

For all those who still are reading, my final point to make is that the power of the internet is not necessarily in having people listen, but in having people write and create. Which is why I won't be offended if no one reads this (well maybe a little offended).

[Deacon]

I'm sorry if I get off topic at times, but I feel it's all related somewhat and it's something I think is relevant to the conversation.

I guess I feel obligated to be serious when I am talked to in a serious way (for those who know me, yes this is possible). Deacon, you bring up some really interesting points. There is a definite psychological shift from the older generations to the younger that is brought on by the internet that not only directs our culture but negates it as well. I see your point where these memes we create are part of what our generation is about, but the truth is that we need more faster than older generations. So for anything that interests or entertains us, it is only a short amount of time before we feel the drive to move on to a different and newer thing. The internet community (the term used to describe people who populate forums and chat rooms, instead of the casual surfer) is even more deprived, dare I use the word. Its not necessarily a bad thing, its just that theres an empty hole that constant and unlimited information and, yes, even culture cannot fill. We create new directions for our culture and then move on before they can even fully develop. As a result memes don't ever really become a part of our (non-internet) society. I feel that the internet has become a testing grounds for our personalities and is a creative outlet, that we may utilize and either be heard or not.

On a side note, comedy has never been a driving factor in any culture and since most memes are comedic in origin that is why they don't really have an impact as far as I see. However I do know that memes are not your only example or your only point. I agree that our generation's culture is internet and information based, and will forever be. However, I do think that not all that is on the internet is a part of our culture, but I will concede that everything created does influence the direction cultural shifts take, if only slightly.

The society we created on the internet is something truly fantastic. It is a global society, completely free of prejudice (if you ignore the common retard and fag remarks). Think about it- when you are chatting online with someone do you think about their race, religion, where in the world they live, gender, or anything else of that nature? If you do, then I stand corrected. However, for the most part I believe what I say is true, and my observations tend to support this. This is something that has and will change the world, and no one can deny it.

I don't think anyone denies the importance of the internet on our culture, but I do think that the degree of importance is contested here. I agree with you, Deacon, on your point that it is the driving force behind what our generation will do with the world and with our society. I believe the internet has and will continue to be the greatest impact on our art, music, literature, and understanding of each other and ourselves.

For all those who still are reading, my final point to make is that the power of the internet is not necessarily in having people listen, but in having people write and create. Which is why I won't be offended if no one reads this (well maybe a little offended).

why can't I put my thoughts into moving arguments like this?
it always comes out "but, no cause...you know"

This is pretty much exactly what I meant to say, however I lack the ability to put it into a manner such as this.
can someone help me +1 this more? i think its that important to the point i was trying to make.  his post, not mine ._.





Also, sanders I agree that it is exactly that, but I also think its bigger than that
sure, eventually none of this shit will matter
but as far as it seems, our generation will be the ones remembered as the first growing up with access to the internet
which i do believe is a big deal (the internet is).
/mybelief

[Don]

You may be hidden anonymous and safe behind your keyboard,
But
There is no reason that means that you should also be a douche.[/color]

I am a douche in real life,
why shouldn't I be a douche behind the keyboard?

[Bovicide]

Before I say anything, I am not trolling. This is not an attack or an accusation or anything. I dont care if the queen of england wrote this piece, this is just an analysis for my curious self.

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I also realized something surprizing about our generation.Society as a whole seems to encourage huge amounts of fluff in our writing. We take simple statements like "I agree that taxes can help or harm us" and turn them into "I wholeheartedly agree that taxation of the masses may or may not benefit or harm us in both the long and short run." Realize that both sentences mean roughly the same thing. However the second is two times longer, and four times as hard to read as the first.

An example of our society fluffing up our writing, presented to you. No offence is meant, this is just a scientific analysis of a sample of writing.

I guess I feel obligated to be serious when I am talked to in a serious way (for those who know me, yes this is possible). Deacon, you bring up some really interesting points. There is a definite psychological shift from the older generations to the younger that is brought on by the internet that not only directs our culture but negates it as well. I see your point where these memes we create are part of what our generation is about, but the truth is that we need more faster than older generations. So for anything that interests or entertains us, it is only a short amount of time before we feel the drive to move on to a different and newer thing. The internet community (the term used to describe people who populate forums and chat rooms, instead of the casual surfer) is even more deprived, dare I use the word. Its not necessarily a bad thing, its just that theres an empty hole that constant and unlimited information and, yes, even culture cannot fill. We create new directions for our culture and then move on before they can even fully develop. As a result memes don't ever really become a part of our (non-internet) society. I feel that the internet has become a testing grounds for our personalities and is a creative outlet, that we may utilize and either be heard or not.

Lets break this down for the people who cant follow.

Original:"I guess I feel obligated to be serious when I am talked to in a serious way (for those who know me, yes this is possible)."
Plain english:"I have to talk seriously when people talk to me seriously."

Original:"Deacon, you bring up some really interesting points."
This sentence is totally clear and free of fluff.

Original:" There is a definite psychological shift from the older generations to the younger that is brought on by the internet that not only directs our culture but negates it as well."
Plain english:"The internet is guiding our generation's mentality."
Translators Note: direct and negate don't mesh together at all, so i just kind of guessed.

Original:" I see your point where these memes we create are part of what our generation is about, but the truth is that we need more faster than older generations."
Plain english:"I agree that memes are a part of our generation. Our generation also moves faster than older generations. "
Translators Note: Separated the sentences because they were two completely unrelated topics. Also cut the pork.

Original:"So for anything that interests or entertains us, it is only a short amount of time before we feel the drive to move on to a different and newer thing."
Plain english:"Our generation also has a short attention span."
Translators Note: This is a prime example of fluff. NO it does not enhance your statement, only blurs it.

Original:"The internet community (the term used to describe people who populate forums and chat rooms, instead of the casual surfer) is even more deprived, dare I use the word."
Plain english:"The internet community (the real dedicated users, not the casuals) is even worse in this respect."
Translators Note: I assume deprived is just used to refer to the short attention span referenced previously.

Original:"Its not necessarily a bad thing, its just that theres an empty hole that constant and unlimited information and, yes, even culture cannot fill."
Plain english:"Having such a short attention span might not be that bad, but the internet cannot satisfy modern attention spans."
Translators Note: This was tough. A lot of superfluous language, and "It" made it kind of hard to decipher.

Original:"We create new directions for our culture and then move on before they can even fully develop."
Plain english:"We often channel ourselves toward one idea, then move on without fully exploring it."
Translators Note: "Creating new directions for culture" hardly makes sense, so I replaced it with idea, in reference to meme in the next section.

Original:"As a result memes don't ever really become a part of our (non-internet) society."
Plain english:"As a result, these ideas never reach the masses."
Translators Note: I'm not quite sure where he was going, but i sort of guessed again.

Original:"I feel that the internet has become a testing grounds for our personalities and is a creative outlet, that we may utilize and either be heard or not."
Plain english:"The internet seems like a testing ground, where we can explore our creativity."
Translators Note: I cut out "either be heard or not" because it does nothing for his arguement.

So time to compile the translation.... I added some transitions in the sentences to try to string this together.

I have to talk seriously when people talk to me seriously. Deacon, you bring up some really interesting points. The internet is definitely guiding our generation's mentality. I also agree that memes are a part of our generation's culture. Our generation also moves faster than older generations. It also has a much shorter attention span than the previous ones. The internet community (the real dedicated users, not the casuals) is even worse in this respect. However, having such a short attention span might not be that bad, but the internet cannot satisfy modern attention spans. We often channel ourselves toward one idea, then move on without fully exploring it. As a result, these ideas never reach the masses. The internet seems like a testing ground, where we can explore our creativity.

It actually makes some sense now. I can see the arguement clearly, and it is half as long. Please please please Deacon, do not look up to this writing style. Also, take special note of how frequently commas had to be used to string together loosely related ideas.

Any fucking ways, sorry for being a dick. I just hate convoluted writing. Once again, no offence is meant at all. Back to deacon, I dont mean to belittle the internet as a major improvement in our lives, but I'm just saying that we arent all that special for being the first to grow up with the internet. There is no great knowledge outpouring from our generation. In fact, ours is the laziest and most entitled generation of them all. Although I love the internet, it has truly hurt our generation.

Because fuck those bitches who have to post on facebook every five minutes or are addicted to texting or whatever. Jesus christ.

[Sabb]

I TL;DR'd from Arcoyle's post and down, but to OP, I agree 100%.
The reason I think people act the way they do on the internet, aside from because it's all anonymous and such, not face to face confrontation and stuff like that, but also because people, as you said, have been literally raised on technology and completely rely on it, and take it for advantage. Since we've been raised off of it, it becomes a norm just to act the way most do. You don't think the same way when you're younger, and since you're raised off of technology during those years before maturity and while you're developing as a person in some situations, you grow into habits and improper ways of behavior.

[Mr. Franklin]

Hell man when the internet came out, people around me started to think differently, more suspicious of their surrounding kinda, and it was weird for a while, then years later and computer technology advanced farther than the internet. So after that, people started to use the internet in different ways, not just news and blogs. They used the internet for any source of communication and advertise, using there people of the knowledge of the internet to gain money. At first when the internet came out, people left and right ask'd if i wanted a job to make websites on the internet, i thought it was a joke. As the years past, i saw how the internet thrived from this one little hub station to globally communicating the world about news and about everything else.

[Arcoyle]

Sorry Sanders, ill dumb it down in the future

I just hate convoluted writing. Once again, no offence is meant at all.

[·UηİŦ··]

Something has always bothered me about the way you guys think, with regards to your regards to this wondrous of gifts: the Internet.

This tool, used to transmit information between people all over the world, in the blink of an eye (depending on your download speed), has changed the world, in no small way. It has completely revolutionized every way we live our lives, changed the rules of society, and the way we do things will never be the same.

Now, you may not think about this but you must remember; our generation (me speaking in my age group --to--> younger, and of course older, don't get me wrong here), the children born in the 1990's...Our generation was the first to grow up during this age of personal computers and internet access. I understand that of course others had it before but think; we grew up learning with them, adapting as young children (4-10) to use these machines.

The point I am here to make, however, is that none of you seem to realize what this means.
What we have made the internet into; what it has become, and even, to some extent, the very website you are on; We have created a new type of society.
These websites, which may now not seem like anything but a fad (read; myspace/facebook/twitter, etc) have had a major impact on the way we communicate. The email, once revolutionary, has now been cast aside for use as a sign up aide in getting onto websites which require an email address for membership.

My point being, and this is completely a personal opinion, I do not believe most people understand that these things are important. One day, you could create a picture for a few friends; A week later, you have created a meme. Only to have it be cast out a month later as

OLD MEME IS OLD HURRRRR

but I see it differently...I see it as part of the culture we have created. These things once valued, now being shunned in favor of the new, gave us this culture. It helped grow us into who we are today. What we are.

One day, sometime in the future, the history will be written down for our children, or possibly their children, who knows.
And we will not tell them "OH THATS SO OLD NOW NO ONE LIKES IT SO LETS NOT TALK ABOUT IT".
We will tell stories.
They will be different than our parents' stories, no doubt.
But they will be OURS.

The stories of our lives, in todays world, will never be told without reference to this "wondrousblahblahwhateverthingisaidbefore".
But I feel that no one either wants this, or acknowledges it.
I feel like it is all simply cast away in favor of the next new mildly mind-numbing thing.







TL;DR: We are writing the history of the internet, but no one seems to value it, nor do they seem to understand the importance of what we are doing right now.



This is in discussion for a reason: Please, discuss.
and another thing that pisses me off:
I know "This is the internet."
But gentlemen (and ladies), THERES AN EXAMPLE RIGHT THERE; MENTLEGEN, ANYONE? ANYONE? COME ON THIS IS WHAT I MEANT BY CULTURE.
Please try to keep this civil serious.

You may be hidden anonymous and safe behind your keyboard,
But
There is no reason that means that you should also be a douche. or did, when your parents taught you how to behave, they said OH BUT ON THE INTERNET DO WHATEVER

Deacon.

You.

You did something I could never do.

You... you managed to convey the one spark of reasoning in my soul, something that I constantly tried to let out, this feeling, this... Statement.

By god you did it perfectly.

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Now, you may not think about this but you must remember; our generation (me speaking in my age group --to--> younger, and of course older, don't get me wrong here), the children born in the 1990's...Our generation was the first to grow up during this age of personal computers and internet access. I understand that of course others had it before but think; we grew up learning with them, adapting as young children (4-10) to use these machines.

I always used to ask my friends, even now... "Hey, do you even remember when..." or something along the lines of that, and they always shunned it... "Why do you listen to old music?" "Gosh *Unit* stop living in the past..." and they go about their life to mindlessly... like.. like fucking Consumer Whores. 1990 didn't exist and neither did 2000... "old people (noun)" they said... It's just always been '2011' with fucking Iphones and Xbox360 and fucking Ps3 and 'ooh pretty pretty shiny shiny what it do'  No one appreciates what has been done for us, can you imagine how hard it must have been to engineer the ARPAnet, and then the Internet? Way back when we still used Dial-up? I certainly remember that. And Proud of it. Had to put up with it instead of Google Chrome. Still now putting up with it, but that's my Roots. That's where it started and dammit that's a part of me.

1990. Compact Disks; Fiber Optics and whatnot. Music Evolved, Games Evolved, Media Evolved and god dammit Technology did too. Rapidly, even.
Hey, know where the Ipod started? Hell, know where Apple started? Even way back before 1990.

The point I am here to make, however, is that none of you seem to realize what this means.
What we have made the internet into; what it has become, and even, to some extent, the very website you are on; We have created a new type of society.
These websites, which may now not seem like anything but a fad (read; myspace/facebook/twitter, etc) have had a major impact on the way we communicate. The email, once revolutionary, has now been cast aside for use as a sign up aide in getting onto websites which require an email address for membership.

Tools. I know the word now. I hate to say it like this but the basic truth is that almost every person I Know in person from my generation has DE-generated into mindless tools, unconcerned about what it is their doing, so much as their doing it. People I meet on the Internet is a different story. To be honest. I can actually have chats with people online better than I can offline. There's no sudden Chronic "I'm bored and I can't find any reason to care ADHD" symptom when I talk... well, almost.

God dammit, I always just wanted them to Notice this. Every. Time.

Loss of common sense. Loss of Free will, the ability to think for one's self. 

No one even says "I like this because I like this, not because everyone else does" anymore.

I feel like a Dinosaur. Extinct, and I'm not even 40 yet. Not even 30. I'm not old. But everyone says I am :\
It's like NO ONE AT ALL wants to remember the 90's. What the hell. So many great things and everyone just want to try to ignore it and turn their head like they always do when I mention it...what, are they ashamed of something? Well fuck it looks like it, what the hell to do you have to be ashamed of? Look at all the great things that sprouted from that era! Memories, even!

By god. I just can't even understand why....

I just hate it when I feel like the only one carrying on the lone title and legacy; at least now I know I'm not alone.

I'm a 90's kid and I'm fucking Proud of it. Deal with it :|

I was here when it started; not all the way, but a damned near fair amount of time I spent here before 2000. I know my Importance and my role.

We, as a whole, are far more privileged than any other Generation (excluding those after us greatly, but still) Because of the internet, Because of technology. It is ours essentially to hold... Our Grounds... Our Home Field Advantage.

Born into it. Thinking it. Breathing it. Essentially now Living it.

A gift from those before us, without them it wouldn't exist.

Yet.

I just hate to see the way we now live in it. Where did this stuff go? Taken for granted. Pushed aside. Who cares about the guy that developed the Internet and so kindly sold it for FREE? Could you imagine having to pay for having ideas?

All the stuff I said now above is maybe even just stupid and inane, like raw emotion, but, Deacon, Your rant;

It makes sense.

The stories of our lives, in todays world, will never be told without reference to this "wondrousblahblahwhateverthingisaidbefore".
But I feel that no one either wants this, or acknowledges it.
I feel like it is all simply cast away in favor of the next new mildly mind-numbing thing.

I stand by this.

" "

[Deacon]

well unit im glad you agree lol

I just worry sometimes about condemning oursleves into obscurity
Blaming ourselves for a lack of leadership and stuff

I do feel that it is the parents to blame but i can't say how they are to blame
i am also
really tired so this may not make sense right now