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Deacon's simple rant thread.

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Bovicide:
It's the same as every new epoch. The era of the Telephone. The era of the Car. Shit the same. Sure the net is cool. Sure there is a new subculture created by the youth. Hippies did that too. So what?

Arcoyle:
I'm sorry if I get off topic at times, but I feel it's all related somewhat and it's something I think is relevant to the conversation.

I guess I feel obligated to be serious when I am talked to in a serious way (for those who know me, yes this is possible). Deacon, you bring up some really interesting points. There is a definite psychological shift from the older generations to the younger that is brought on by the internet that not only directs our culture but negates it as well. I see your point where these memes we create are part of what our generation is about, but the truth is that we need more faster than older generations. So for anything that interests or entertains us, it is only a short amount of time before we feel the drive to move on to a different and newer thing. The internet community (the term used to describe people who populate forums and chat rooms, instead of the casual surfer) is even more deprived, dare I use the word. Its not necessarily a bad thing, its just that theres an empty hole that constant and unlimited information and, yes, even culture cannot fill. We create new directions for our culture and then move on before they can even fully develop. As a result memes don't ever really become a part of our (non-internet) society. I feel that the internet has become a testing grounds for our personalities and is a creative outlet, that we may utilize and either be heard or not.

On a side note, comedy has never been a driving factor in any culture and since most memes are comedic in origin that is why they don't really have an impact as far as I see. However I do know that memes are not your only example or your only point. I agree that our generation's culture is internet and information based, and will forever be. However, I do think that not all that is on the internet is a part of our culture, but I will concede that everything created does influence the direction cultural shifts take, if only slightly.

The society we created on the internet is something truly fantastic. It is a global society, completely free of prejudice (if you ignore the common retard and fag remarks). Think about it- when you are chatting online with someone do you think about their race, religion, where in the world they live, gender, or anything else of that nature? If you do, then I stand corrected. However, for the most part I believe what I say is true, and my observations tend to support this. This is something that has and will change the world, and no one can deny it.

I don't think anyone denies the importance of the internet on our culture, but I do think that the degree of importance is contested here. I agree with you, Deacon, on your point that it is the driving force behind what our generation will do with the world and with our society. I believe the internet has and will continue to be the greatest impact on our art, music, literature, and understanding of each other and ourselves.

For all those who still are reading, my final point to make is that the power of the internet is not necessarily in having people listen, but in having people write and create. Which is why I won't be offended if no one reads this (well maybe a little offended).

Deacon:

--- Quote from: Arcoyle on April 24, 2011, 01:08:39 AM ---I'm sorry if I get off topic at times, but I feel it's all related somewhat and it's something I think is relevant to the conversation.

I guess I feel obligated to be serious when I am talked to in a serious way (for those who know me, yes this is possible). Deacon, you bring up some really interesting points. There is a definite psychological shift from the older generations to the younger that is brought on by the internet that not only directs our culture but negates it as well. I see your point where these memes we create are part of what our generation is about, but the truth is that we need more faster than older generations. So for anything that interests or entertains us, it is only a short amount of time before we feel the drive to move on to a different and newer thing. The internet community (the term used to describe people who populate forums and chat rooms, instead of the casual surfer) is even more deprived, dare I use the word. Its not necessarily a bad thing, its just that theres an empty hole that constant and unlimited information and, yes, even culture cannot fill. We create new directions for our culture and then move on before they can even fully develop. As a result memes don't ever really become a part of our (non-internet) society. I feel that the internet has become a testing grounds for our personalities and is a creative outlet, that we may utilize and either be heard or not.

On a side note, comedy has never been a driving factor in any culture and since most memes are comedic in origin that is why they don't really have an impact as far as I see. However I do know that memes are not your only example or your only point. I agree that our generation's culture is internet and information based, and will forever be. However, I do think that not all that is on the internet is a part of our culture, but I will concede that everything created does influence the direction cultural shifts take, if only slightly.

The society we created on the internet is something truly fantastic. It is a global society, completely free of prejudice (if you ignore the common retard and fag remarks). Think about it- when you are chatting online with someone do you think about their race, religion, where in the world they live, gender, or anything else of that nature? If you do, then I stand corrected. However, for the most part I believe what I say is true, and my observations tend to support this. This is something that has and will change the world, and no one can deny it.

I don't think anyone denies the importance of the internet on our culture, but I do think that the degree of importance is contested here. I agree with you, Deacon, on your point that it is the driving force behind what our generation will do with the world and with our society. I believe the internet has and will continue to be the greatest impact on our art, music, literature, and understanding of each other and ourselves.

For all those who still are reading, my final point to make is that the power of the internet is not necessarily in having people listen, but in having people write and create. Which is why I won't be offended if no one reads this (well maybe a little offended).

--- End quote ---

why can't I put my thoughts into moving arguments like this?
it always comes out "but, no cause...you know"

This is pretty much exactly what I meant to say, however I lack the ability to put it into a manner such as this.
can someone help me +1 this more? i think its that important to the point i was trying to make.  his post, not mine ._.





Also, sanders I agree that it is exactly that, but I also think its bigger than that
sure, eventually none of this shit will matter
but as far as it seems, our generation will be the ones remembered as the first growing up with access to the internet
which i do believe is a big deal (the internet is).
/mybelief

Don:

--- Quote from: Deacon on April 24, 2011, 12:28:34 AM ---You may be hidden anonymous and safe behind your keyboard,
But
There is no reason that means that you should also be a douche.[/color]

--- End quote ---
I am a douche in real life,
why shouldn't I be a douche behind the keyboard?

Bovicide:
Before I say anything, I am not trolling. This is not an attack or an accusation or anything. I dont care if the queen of england wrote this piece, this is just an analysis for my curious self.

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I also realized something surprizing about our generation.Society as a whole seems to encourage huge amounts of fluff in our writing. We take simple statements like "I agree that taxes can help or harm us" and turn them into "I wholeheartedly agree that taxation of the masses may or may not benefit or harm us in both the long and short run." Realize that both sentences mean roughly the same thing. However the second is two times longer, and four times as hard to read as the first.

An example of our society fluffing up our writing, presented to you. No offence is meant, this is just a scientific analysis of a sample of writing.


--- Quote ---I guess I feel obligated to be serious when I am talked to in a serious way (for those who know me, yes this is possible). Deacon, you bring up some really interesting points. There is a definite psychological shift from the older generations to the younger that is brought on by the internet that not only directs our culture but negates it as well. I see your point where these memes we create are part of what our generation is about, but the truth is that we need more faster than older generations. So for anything that interests or entertains us, it is only a short amount of time before we feel the drive to move on to a different and newer thing. The internet community (the term used to describe people who populate forums and chat rooms, instead of the casual surfer) is even more deprived, dare I use the word. Its not necessarily a bad thing, its just that theres an empty hole that constant and unlimited information and, yes, even culture cannot fill. We create new directions for our culture and then move on before they can even fully develop. As a result memes don't ever really become a part of our (non-internet) society. I feel that the internet has become a testing grounds for our personalities and is a creative outlet, that we may utilize and either be heard or not.
--- End quote ---

Lets break this down for the people who cant follow.

Original:"I guess I feel obligated to be serious when I am talked to in a serious way (for those who know me, yes this is possible)."
Plain english:"I have to talk seriously when people talk to me seriously."

Original:"Deacon, you bring up some really interesting points."
This sentence is totally clear and free of fluff.

Original:" There is a definite psychological shift from the older generations to the younger that is brought on by the internet that not only directs our culture but negates it as well."
Plain english:"The internet is guiding our generation's mentality."
Translators Note: direct and negate don't mesh together at all, so i just kind of guessed.

Original:" I see your point where these memes we create are part of what our generation is about, but the truth is that we need more faster than older generations."
Plain english:"I agree that memes are a part of our generation. Our generation also moves faster than older generations. "
Translators Note: Separated the sentences because they were two completely unrelated topics. Also cut the pork.

Original:"So for anything that interests or entertains us, it is only a short amount of time before we feel the drive to move on to a different and newer thing."
Plain english:"Our generation also has a short attention span."
Translators Note: This is a prime example of fluff. NO it does not enhance your statement, only blurs it.

Original:"The internet community (the term used to describe people who populate forums and chat rooms, instead of the casual surfer) is even more deprived, dare I use the word."
Plain english:"The internet community (the real dedicated users, not the casuals) is even worse in this respect."
Translators Note: I assume deprived is just used to refer to the short attention span referenced previously.

Original:"Its not necessarily a bad thing, its just that theres an empty hole that constant and unlimited information and, yes, even culture cannot fill."
Plain english:"Having such a short attention span might not be that bad, but the internet cannot satisfy modern attention spans."
Translators Note: This was tough. A lot of superfluous language, and "It" made it kind of hard to decipher.

Original:"We create new directions for our culture and then move on before they can even fully develop."
Plain english:"We often channel ourselves toward one idea, then move on without fully exploring it."
Translators Note: "Creating new directions for culture" hardly makes sense, so I replaced it with idea, in reference to meme in the next section.

Original:"As a result memes don't ever really become a part of our (non-internet) society."
Plain english:"As a result, these ideas never reach the masses."
Translators Note: I'm not quite sure where he was going, but i sort of guessed again.

Original:"I feel that the internet has become a testing grounds for our personalities and is a creative outlet, that we may utilize and either be heard or not."
Plain english:"The internet seems like a testing ground, where we can explore our creativity."
Translators Note: I cut out "either be heard or not" because it does nothing for his arguement.

So time to compile the translation.... I added some transitions in the sentences to try to string this together.


--- Quote ---I have to talk seriously when people talk to me seriously. Deacon, you bring up some really interesting points. The internet is definitely guiding our generation's mentality. I also agree that memes are a part of our generation's culture. Our generation also moves faster than older generations. It also has a much shorter attention span than the previous ones. The internet community (the real dedicated users, not the casuals) is even worse in this respect. However, having such a short attention span might not be that bad, but the internet cannot satisfy modern attention spans. We often channel ourselves toward one idea, then move on without fully exploring it. As a result, these ideas never reach the masses. The internet seems like a testing ground, where we can explore our creativity.

--- End quote ---

It actually makes some sense now. I can see the arguement clearly, and it is half as long. Please please please Deacon, do not look up to this writing style. Also, take special note of how frequently commas had to be used to string together loosely related ideas.



Any fucking ways, sorry for being a dick. I just hate convoluted writing. Once again, no offence is meant at all. Back to deacon, I dont mean to belittle the internet as a major improvement in our lives, but I'm just saying that we arent all that special for being the first to grow up with the internet. There is no great knowledge outpouring from our generation. In fact, ours is the laziest and most entitled generation of them all. Although I love the internet, it has truly hurt our generation.

Because fuck those bitches who have to post on facebook every five minutes or are addicted to texting or whatever. Jesus christ.

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