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I hate how people are hating on Israel right now...
Prox:
--- Quote from: Jhon on August 05, 2014, 04:45:08 AM ---"Everything", they are bombing every place where missiles are shot from / any place with important people from the Hamas and sadly there are a lot of those. If they really wanted to bomb everything, why would they bring in the soldiers? They would've just used heavier bombs instead of the small bombs they used to minimize collateral damage. Bringing in the soldiers is a bad thing for Israel.
Missiles were shot from a UN school, so they shot back. Are you saying they should've waited until someone would've been killed by those missiles, chatted a bit with the UN about the problem and maybe waited a bit more while they "solve" the problem?
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Yes, its always the Hamas fault, it is always someone shooting missiles and poor little Israel is just defending it self by killing tons of civilians. Nice meme, bro.
Btw would like to see proof of Hamas firing missiles from the UN school.
--- Quote from: Jhon on August 05, 2014, 04:45:08 AM ---By occupying more land do you mean the people who settle beyong the green line? If so then those settlers are removed from their homes by the army. As much as possible.
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Btw, there has been gas and oil found in Gaza's territory too.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/war-and-natural-gas-the-israeli-invasion-and-gaza-s-offshore-gas-fields/11680
It's a win-win for the jews.
--- Quote from: Jhon on August 05, 2014, 04:45:08 AM ---I'm not sure about what or who do you mean by "they", but just so you know that, as opposed to what people may think, the media in Israel is mostly neutral or pro-palestinian. No brainwashing pro-Israeli propaganda. They either show the truth or they show mainly the other side's casaulties (which Israel also ends up taking care of. While getting shot at by Hamas ofcourse).
People in Israel usually say things from actually being a soldier or having relatives in the army.
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AYYYY LMAO
--- Quote from: Jhon on August 05, 2014, 04:45:08 AM ---I think you should instead ask "Why does Hamas keep fighting, even though they know it's futile?" It's quite easy to answer - More victims, more pictures they can show, more support for them and more hate at Israel and Jews.
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They keep fighting because of the ongoing Palestinian land occupation and their people slaughter ever since your country's creation.
You know why people hate jews? Because of the exact same reason that you're showing. Always pretending to be the victim, never taking their responsibility for their own actions, it's always some else's fault, whatever bad happens it's never the jews fault and I'm not even going to start mentioning what kind of enormous influence your people have on the western media so I find it absolutely hilarious how you somehow think that the media has some kind of anti-Israel bias. That just sounds ridiculous.
--- Quote from: Jhon on August 05, 2014, 04:45:08 AM ---I also find it interesting how so many people protest against Israel when much more horrible things are currently happening around the world. I don't remember seeing such a reaction to the civil war in Syria for example.
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Except for the fact that west(along with Israel in fact) did their best to spin the blame on Assad for the use of chemical weapons and other stupid things but their plan failed because there was no proof to support that, in fact there was proof showing that it was the rebels who used the Sarin gas.
And now, take a look how much shit Russia is getting for everything, for Crimea, for that plane that USA somehow instantly knew that it was the Russians who did it and blamed Putin for it like always meanwhile if you compare the Ukrainian crisis to Israel's ongoing occupation and slaughter of Palestinians it all falls short in comparison.
--- Quote from: Monorail Cat on August 05, 2014, 04:03:30 AM ---Prox, think for a second: if Hamas lays down his weapons and says "we will no longer fight," what would happen?
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Israel would continue it's occupation of Palestinian land until it is all finally annexed with little to no resistance from the Palestinian people.
--- Quote from: Monorail Cat on August 05, 2014, 04:03:30 AM ---Now, if Israel lays down its weapons and says "we will no longer fight," what do you think would happen? Judging from past circumstances, I would assume that Israel would be wiped out if they stop fighting, but there would be a much better chance at peace if Hamas stopped.
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You are right. There would be peace after a complete annexation of Palestine with most of it's civilians killed or kicked out of their land.
Jhon:
--- Quote from: Prox on August 05, 2014, 06:41:39 AM ---Yes, its always the Hamas fault, it is always someone shooting missiles and poor little Israel is just defending it self by killing tons of civilians. Nice meme, bro.
Btw would like to see proof of Hamas firing missiles from the UN school.
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So in your opinion Israel should have just let them keep shooting? I doubt there's a country that hasn't retaliated after being shot at. It might sound overused, but it's the truth. Why else would they attack a school with kids fully aware that it'll later appear all over the news as a bad thing against Israel? In addition to that, since I have friends and relatives in the army, I can tell you with 100% confidence that they always try their best to avoid casaulties / reduce them to a minimum and won't do something unless it's necessary. Maybe you don't believe me, but it's the truth. I've heard a lot of stories from soldiers about how those "resistance organizations" use Palestinian civilians (mainly old people and children) to guard weapons so the soldiers won't suspect anything.
http://www.thetower.org/0725-in-flagrant-violation-hamas-caught-storing-shooting-rockets-from-unrwa-schoo/
If you want a video, I don't know if there is one.
--- Quote from: Prox on August 05, 2014, 06:41:39 AM ---http://i.stack.imgur.com/0xM5P.jpg
Btw, there has been gas and oil found in Gaza's territory too.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/war-and-natural-gas-the-israeli-invasion-and-gaza-s-offshore-gas-fields/11680
It's a win-win for the jews.
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Palestinian loss of land as a result of wars initiated by the arab countries around Israel and as a result of rejecting the partition plan. Nearly every currently exisiting country has won it's area by wars, many of them also slaughtered the natives beforehand, would you like to go back to each group of people that got land won / stolen from their ancestors and give it back to them? The "Palestinians" were mostly refugees from other countries themselves. They have Jordan which a big chunk of its population is Palestinians, in addition to the other arab countries surrounding Israel to go to. For Jews on the other hand it's a "little bit" of a problem.
--- Quote from: Prox on August 05, 2014, 06:41:39 AM ---AYYYY LMAO
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Come over here and watch the news then.
--- Quote from: Prox on August 05, 2014, 06:41:39 AM ---They keep fighting because of the ongoing Palestinian land occupation and their people slaughter ever since your country's creation.
You know why people hate jews? Because of the exact same reason that you're showing. Always pretending to be the victim, never taking their responsibility for their own actions, it's always some else's fault, whatever bad happens it's never the jews fault and I'm not even going to start mentioning what kind of enormous influence your people have on the western media so I find it absolutely hilarious how you somehow think that the media has some kind of anti-Israel bias. That just sounds ridiculous.
Except for the fact that west(along with Israel in fact) did their best to spin the blame on Assad for the use of chemical weapons and other stupid things but their plan failed because there was no proof to support that, in fact there was proof showing that it was the rebels who used the Sarin gas.
And now, take a look how much shit Russia is getting for everything, for Crimea, for that plane that USA somehow instantly knew that it was the Russians who did it and blamed Putin for it like always meanwhile if you compare the Ukrainian crisis to Israel's ongoing occupation and slaughter of Palestinians it all falls short in comparison.
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Innocent Palestinians are being killed because Hamas is attacking. Not just that, they favour doing it from populated buildings, schools, hospitals and surrounded by civilians that would keep the IDF from attacking them. So unfortunately citizens are killed, but it is inevitable, it's a war after all. You're speaking as if the IDF attacks Gaza all days of the year and suddenly Hamas decides it had enough, which leads to them attacking Israel.
You might be forgetting Hamas is the same organization that tied "suspected traitors" to bikes and dragged them around town.
I'm not playing victim. This is the truth. The truth is that also the civilians at Gaza are victims and they suffer a lot more, obviously. The kids that are sent to "schools" are brainwashed to hate Jews and think of suiciding bombing on Jews is a good thing. Yes it's real. Here have a look of a few examples:
Hamas to kids: Shoot all the Jews
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrWCBcjPDMU#t=15
By the way, I was talking about the media in Israel, not in the world. All I know about the news around the world is that certain channels have a bias for us and certain ones, mainly in Europe, have a bias against us.
--- Quote from: Prox on August 05, 2014, 06:41:39 AM ---Israel would continue it's occupation of Palestinian land until it is all finally annexed with little to no resistance from the Palestinian people.
You are right. There would be peace after a complete annexation of Palestine with most of it's civilians killed or kicked out of their land.
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If Palestinians would be killed for no reason, you can be sure most of the country's citizens would rise against it and soldiers will disobey orders.
There are also a lot of Israelis in-favour of a two state solution. Shooting missiles at Israel will definately not help bring more citizens to support it.
And I'm interested to know, do you hate Jews or are you just against the state of Israel?
Prox:
--- Quote from: Jhon on August 05, 2014, 08:38:08 AM ---So in your opinion Israel should have just let them keep shooting? I doubt there's a country that hasn't retaliated after being shot at. It might sound overused, but it's the truth. Why else would they attack a school with kids fully aware that it'll later appear all over the news as a bad thing against Israel? In addition to that, since I have friends and relatives in the army, I can tell you with 100% confidence that they always try their best to avoid casaulties / reduce them to a minimum and won't do something unless it's necessary. Maybe you don't believe me, but it's the truth. I've heard a lot of stories from soldiers about how those "resistance organizations" use Palestinian civilians (mainly old people and children) to guard weapons so the soldiers won't suspect anything.
If you want a video, I don't know if there is one.
Palestinian loss of land as a result of wars initiated by the arab countries around Israel and as a result of rejecting the partition plan. Nearly every currently exisiting country has won it's area by wars, many of them also slaughtered the natives beforehand, would you like to go back to each group of people that got land won / stolen from their ancestors and give it back to them? The "Palestinians" were mostly refugees from other countries themselves. They have Jordan which a big chunk of its population is Palestinians, in addition to the other arab countries surrounding Israel to go to. For Jews on the other hand it's a "little bit" of a problem.
Come over here and watch the news then.
Innocent Palestinians are being killed because Hamas is attacking. Not just that, they favour doing it from populated buildings, schools, hospitals and surrounded by civilians that would keep the IDF from attacking them. So unfortunately citizens are killed, but it is inevitable, it's a war after all. You're speaking as if the IDF attacks Gaza all days of the year and suddenly Hamas decides it had enough, which leads to them attacking Israel.
You might be forgetting Hamas is the same organization that tied "suspected traitors" to bikes and dragged them around town.
I'm not playing victim. This is the truth. The truth is that also the civilians at Gaza are victims and they suffer a lot more, obviously. The kids that are sent to "schools" are brainwashed to hate Jews and think of suiciding bombing on Jews is a good thing. Yes it's real. Here have a look of a few examples:
By the way, I was talking about the media in Israel, not in the world. All I know about the news around the world is that certain channels have a bias for us and certain ones, mainly in Europe, have a bias against us.
If Palestinians would be killed for no reason, you can be sure most of the country's citizens would rise against it and soldiers will disobey orders.
There are also a lot of Israelis in-favour of a two state solution. Shooting missiles at Israel will definately not help bring more citizens to support it.
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>b-b-but Hamas made us do it
You're just pretending to be retarded, right?
>>http://www.thetower.org/0725-in-flagrant-violation-hamas-caught-storing-shooting-rockets-from-unrwa-schoo/
Never heard of this site before but from the little research I made it seems like this is an Israel made site. If not then I'd be interested to know which country made this.
The article itself doesn't have any videos or pictures attached but stuff thats written there sounds somewhat logical however it's just an article on one site that most people never heard of as well as it is likely it's an Israeli made one. That being said I'm sure Hamas has to hide their weaponry somewhere and I doubt that they hide their rocket in areas where Palestinians live because they want to bait Israel to kill civilians, they could be doing stuff like this because they don't fucking have a choice since everything is getting destroyed in Palestine thanks to Israel.
--- Quote from: Jhon on August 05, 2014, 08:38:08 AM ---Hamas to kids: Shoot all the Jews
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrWCBcjPDMU#t=15
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Now, I don't speak Arabic but I'm pretty certain that those translations should be accurate. It is no surprise that the Palestinians utterly despise Israel, a nation which started occupying their land ever since it was created( don't even say shit that your country got that land because of Palestinians starting wars, Palestinians had every reason to do so after being occupied and slaughtered by the Israel invasion, of course they were attacking Israel because ISRAEL STARTED THIS WHOLE THING DO YOU GET IT NOW?). While we're here, the Israelis aren't any better.
Learning to Hate: Israel's Colonial Settler Children
This video + the related video section proves it.
--- Quote from: Jhon on August 05, 2014, 08:38:08 AM ---And I'm interested to know, do you hate Jews or are you just against the state of Israel?
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I'm against the state of Israel and the Zionists whether they be jews or not.
Now, knowing that Israel has used white phosphorus on civilian population before multiple times, killing Palestinians ever since Israel was created, abusing influence in the western world to get what they want, torturing Palestinian children, making Gaza and Palestine an open air prison, violating Palestinian human rights over and over again, violating international laws over and over again, have attacked ships that were trying to supply Palestinians with humanitarian aid in international waters, have tried multiple times to lure USA into war with some country in the middle east by doing some sort of a false flag event(for example, the USS Liberty attacked by Israeli forces on purpose trying to blame it on Egypt?(can't remember for sure which nation)), have sent spies to steal nuclear technology from USA and probably a few other things I have forgot. How do you think this stacks up against what Hamas could have possibly done bad while fighting for the Palestinians? I think it's obvious and there's no way anyone with an open mind can deny this.
Here's some videos that are sourced with articles from all sorts of articles if you're wondering where I'm pulling all of this out. Just so you know, I've seen articles about shit I've mentioned many times coming from different sites, and I keep seeing shit similar to it over and over again, whether it would be RussiaToday, huffingtonpost, telegraph, even such pro-Israel channels like CNN make an occasional article about it and I'm not even going to mention youtube, I see this shit coming from everywhere and from all sides except for one and that of course is Israel.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N6ZLcoSnlU
The Outrageous Racist Hypocrisy of Israel and World Zionism!
Jewish hostility to Christians: the prejudice no one ever writes about
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100049072/jewish-hostility-to-christians-the-prejudice-no-one-ever-writes-about/
Ethiopian Controversy In Israel: It's Not Racism
http://archive.adl.org/presrele/IslME_62/2659_62.asp
Destination unknown: Israel to deport thousands of African migrants
http://rt.com/news/israel-migrants-africa-deportations-214/
Danny Danon: Send African migrants to Australia
http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Danny-Danon-Send-African-migrants-to-Australia
Israel kicks out migrants – by changing their nationality and sending them to another country
http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2012/08/18/sudanese-asylum-seekers-issued-with-new-nationalities-allowing-removal-from-israel/
3rd state agrees to take Israel's Eritrean migrants
http://www.jpost.com/National-News/3rd-state-agrees-to-take-Israels-Eritrean-migrants-315161
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/06/jewish-leaders-petition-congress-syria
There's obviously more of those kind of videos/articles but I doubt you're interested in seeing more of it.
Jhon:
--- Quote from: Prox on August 05, 2014, 10:49:57 AM --->b-b-but Hamas made us do it
You're just pretending to be retarded, right?
>>http://www.thetower.org/0725-in-flagrant-violation-hamas-caught-storing-shooting-rockets-from-unrwa-schoo/
Never heard of this site before but from the little research I made it seems like this is an Israel made site. If not then I'd be interested to know which country made this.
The article itself doesn't have any videos or pictures attached but stuff thats written there sounds somewhat logical however it's just an article on one site that most people never heard of as well as it is likely it's an Israeli made one. That being said I'm sure Hamas has to hide their weaponry somewhere and I doubt that they hide their rocket in areas where Palestinians live because they want to bait Israel to kill civilians, they could be doing stuff like this because they don't fucking have a choice since everything is getting destroyed in Palestine thanks to Israel.
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I haven't used the site before so I don't know myself, but you might be able to find this on other sites since I've seen it at some other site before.
Do you seriously still believe Hamas isn't using Palestinian civilian as human shields?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=816787158344156&set=vb.125249070831305&type=2&theater
Now I know this is by the IDF, but those are true nontheless. If you want I can find more of these also from other sources. It's a FACT Hamas uses Palestinian civilians as human shields, as much as you don't want to believe it.
By the way, "the don't have a choice" so that makes it ok to store weapons at schools? But it's not ok to shoot back?
Also, are you aware of the tunnel system they've dug in-order to infiltrate cities in Israel, where they also store weaponary and ammunition? They could've used these tunnels to hide civilians from bombardments. Also, all of that concrete they used for those tunnels is most likely the same one Israel has supplied them to re-build facilities. It can't be proven though.
--- Quote from: Prox on August 05, 2014, 10:49:57 AM ---Now, I don't speak Arabic but I'm pretty certain that those translations should be accurate. It is no surprise that the Palestinians utterly despise Israel, a nation which started occupying their land ever since it was created( don't even say shit that your country got that land because of Palestinians starting wars, Palestinians had every reason to do so after being occupied and slaughtered by the Israel invasion, of course they were attacking Israel because ISRAEL STARTED THIS WHOLE THING DO YOU GET IT NOW?). While we're here, the Israelis aren't any better.
Learning to Hate: Israel's Colonial Settler Children
This video + the related video section proves it.
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Teaching little kids to hate a certain group like that is horrible, no matter if it's Palestinians or Israelis. Israeli settlers aren't looked at nicely by many Israelis, especially those extremists types. But teaching them that suicide bombing is a good thing? That's on a whole new level. Doesn't matter how much you hate a certain group, teaching kids that suicide bombing is good just tells you what are they capable of (human shields perhaps?). I wouldn't be surprised if some of those children are encouraged to bomb themselves so they'll have more pictures to show. As bad as that may sound. Though there are no proofs for that as much as I know.
And have you heard about the Arab revolt at 1936? It was in response to the British, but they also called for a ban against the immigration of more Jews, who came because of the situation in Europe. In addition to the Jews that were already living there (yes, some Jews did stay in Israel all of those years before, mainly at Jerusalem). Even before that, at 1920, arabs assaulted Jews and "defended their holy places from Jews". Even arab villages were attacked by other arabs if they were sympathetic to Jews. The "leadership" of the Jews wanted to avoid violence as much as possible, they were the "Haganah". "Lehi" and "Etzel" were the groups founded later on and those were the aggressive groups that thought not doing anything would eventually lead to more dead Jews and further discrimination by the British. I don't know if they were right or wrong, but they were they main reason the state of Israel was created.
From that you can understand the Palestinians were the ones who attacked first. And back then the Jews were minority like the Palestinians are now.
What you know about happened AFTER the arab revolt (the Jews attacking arabs, etc)
--- Quote from: Prox on August 05, 2014, 10:49:57 AM ---I'm against the state of Israel and the Zionists whether they be jews or not.
Now, knowing that Israel has used white phosphorus on civilian population before multiple times, killing Palestinians ever since Israel was created, abusing influence in the western world to get what they want, torturing Palestinian children, making Gaza and Palestine an open air prison, violating Palestinian human rights over and over again, violating international laws over and over again, have attacked ships that were trying to supply Palestinians with humanitarian aid in international waters, have tried multiple times to lure USA into war with some country in the middle east by doing some sort of a false flag event(for example, the USS Liberty attacked by Israeli forces on purpose trying to blame it on Egypt?(can't remember for sure which nation)), have sent spies to steal nuclear technology from USA and probably a few other things I have forgot. How do you think this stacks up against what Hamas could have possibly done bad while fighting for the Palestinians? I think it's obvious and there's no way anyone with an open mind can deny this.
Here's some videos that are sourced with articles from all sorts of articles if you're wondering where I'm pulling all of this out. Just so you know, I've seen articles about shit I've mentioned many times coming from different sites, and I keep seeing shit similar to it over and over again, whether it would be RussiaToday, huffingtonpost, telegraph, even such pro-Israel channels like CNN make an occasional article about it and I'm not even going to mention youtube, I see this shit coming from everywhere and from all sides except for one and that of course is Israel.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N6ZLcoSnlU
The Outrageous Racist Hypocrisy of Israel and World Zionism!
Jewish hostility to Christians: the prejudice no one ever writes about
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100049072/jewish-hostility-to-christians-the-prejudice-no-one-ever-writes-about/
Ethiopian Controversy In Israel: It's Not Racism
http://archive.adl.org/presrele/IslME_62/2659_62.asp
Destination unknown: Israel to deport thousands of African migrants
http://rt.com/news/israel-migrants-africa-deportations-214/
Danny Danon: Send African migrants to Australia
http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Danny-Danon-Send-African-migrants-to-Australia
Israel kicks out migrants – by changing their nationality and sending them to another country
http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2012/08/18/sudanese-asylum-seekers-issued-with-new-nationalities-allowing-removal-from-israel/
3rd state agrees to take Israel's Eritrean migrants
http://www.jpost.com/National-News/3rd-state-agrees-to-take-Israels-Eritrean-migrants-315161
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/06/jewish-leaders-petition-congress-syria
There's obviously more of those kind of videos/articles but I doubt you're interested in seeing more of it.
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I've heard about those before, but never really searched into it too much because it seemed like more anti-Israel stuff. I'll look into those some more.
Before I check the links you've posted, did you know that since the war has begun, each cease-fire attempt has been broken within a few minutes to a few hours by the Hamas? Even humanitarian aid cease-fires. They usually prepare a large amount of missiles to shoot nearly each cease-fire and then break it by launching dozens of missiles towards a large area of Israel. I know because I can hear the missiles exploding and the sirens ofcourse (plus from friends in more southern cities).
All of those rabbis shown in the videos and the prejudice against Christians are all from religious extremists which some of them also spit at Jewish girls who wear short sleeved T-shirts. Many of those types are against the current state of Israel and would like a completely religious Jewish state with all non-believers out of Israel. They aren't the majority of Israeli citizens and they are disliked by many.
About the African migrants, I know all about it and I'm aware it's a serious problem in Israel. On one hand there are a lot of citizens who want to help them, but there were many cases of rape and brutal murder by those migrants so the majority of the populace wants to kick them out of the country. Many use the arguement that they are Muslims so they should go to Egypt or Jordan, but Israel is the only country in the area that somewhat accepts them. It's difficult to solve this and I think Israel needs help from outside with this one.
About the Ethiopians. Like in nearly every country, there's also racism in Israel. There's also some racism between Ashkenazi Jews and Separdic Jews and Russian Jews. It's not a new thing and it has always been a problem, although it's more of a problem in the closed religious societies.
Nemisous:
--- Quote from: Monorail Cat on August 05, 2014, 04:03:30 AM ---Prox, think for a second: if Hamas lays down his weapons and says "we will no longer fight," what would happen? Now, if Israel lays down its weapons and says "we will no longer fight," what do you think would happen? Judging from past circumstances, I would assume that Israel would be wiped out if they stop fighting, but there would be a much better chance at peace if Hamas stopped.
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You say whipped out as if they are going to murder every last Jew in Israel like Israeli propaganda machine spites out. honestly assuming Hamas invaded Israel, the only thing that would change is regime change and Israel would cease to be a Jewish state. but if Hamas was to say just vanish from the equation then what is stopping Israel from taking more land from the Palestinians. Israel doesn't want peace nor do they want a two state solution and for israel to stop with the occupaton which is the only peaceful resolution to the situation.
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