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New Gender Options for Facebook Users
Sabb:
I honestly wouldn't read through all that shit if I wasn't directly involved in it lol.
ursus:
--- Quote from: Prox on February 20, 2014, 11:19:05 AM ---Pretty sure I have addressed most of them, some of the points that I didn't addressed I either agreed with or I felt that I have made points in previous posts that relate to them. Either way you can quote a few of them if you want me to specifically address them. Also you're definitely right that I'm losing interest since I have never thought this thread would consume so much of my time and me arguing about off topic issues didn't really helped.
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okay then
--- Quote from: Prox on February 15, 2014, 03:14:13 PM ---It definitely isn't. Each gender has different physique as well as different hormones which directly result in males being "strong, working, an authority, fatherly, limiting" and females being "delicate, motherly, emotional, tender".
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After me stating that gender is influenced by hormones, social environment, and past experiences, you responded by saying that each gender derives their behavior and physique from their hormones and hormones alone. Does this mean that:
- People's behavior cannot be influenced by widely-held stigmas or media representation that shows all people of their sex acting a certain way?
- People's behavior cannot be influenced by friends and family directly telling them that they should act a certain way because of their sex?
--- Quote from: Prox on February 15, 2014, 03:14:13 PM ---If anything, a room full of "cis-people" is the most qualified to discuss gender.
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How is this true? Explain how a person with no psychological or hormonal variations in their gender and no education on their existence is the most qualified person possible to speak authoritatively on and interpret the experiences of someone who has all of these things.
--- Quote from: Prox on February 15, 2014, 03:14:13 PM ---No they can't, the can be considered as having a disorder.
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After me stating that because gender is composed of hormone balance, social environment, and past experiences, variations in these can produce variations in gender, you said that this would simply be called a disorder. Why is it a disorder? Since you're convinced that "Jewish media" is influencing people's thoughts subliminally, it could also be supposed that portrayals of men and women in media influence men and women to act within a certain behavioral margin in real life.
This fits within your ideas that Jewish people are manipulating the world to make more money (I think it's non-specific to race, but I thought I'd incorporate your own ideas here) -- When you have the entire population drawing from only two sets of basic likes and dislikes, it's easier to sell things to them.
If someone's hormones differ naturally from birth or their behavior and thought patterns are fundamentally different because of their outside influences, how is it unreasonable to have broad gender classifications for these variations?
I'll direct you to my original argument on this, which you also never answered directly:
--- Quote from: ursus on February 15, 2014, 03:55:42 PM ---what constitutes a "disorder" to you?
if hormones and social context determine gender and both of those things are subject to variation, how can you say gender is still logically restricted to a binary system? if I have blue paint, yellow paint, and red paint and i only mix the yellow and blue to make green, does that mean that it's literally impossible for me to make orange or purple? just because the overwhelming majority of people fall into one of two classifications and are often forced into them does not mean that any change in this is some kind of disease. are you just under the impression that transgender people don't exist?
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Since I've faced complaints that my posts are too long for you to respond to, I'll just leave these two for now. I'll move on once you've addressed the central points directly.
Prox:
--- Quote from: ursus on February 20, 2014, 02:36:02 PM ---After me stating that gender is influenced by hormones, social environment, and past experiences, you responded by saying that each gender derives their behavior and physique from their hormones and hormones alone. Does this mean that:
- People's behavior cannot be influenced by widely-held stigmas or media representation that shows all people of their sex acting a certain way?
- People's behavior cannot be influenced by friends and family directly telling them that they should act a certain way because of their sex?
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I've also mentioned that the more intelligent and complex the animal specie is the more it can resist the pheromone influence. Humans are the most intelligent life form on Earth which surpasses all other species by light years so they are definitely able to act against the will of their pheromones.
--- Quote from: ursus on February 20, 2014, 02:36:02 PM ---How is this true? Explain how a person with no psychological or hormonal variations in their gender and no education on their existence is the most qualified person possible to speak authoritatively on and interpret the experiences of someone who has all of these things.
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>no education on their existence
B-b-back to tumblr you go.
Also the room full of "cis-people" is qualified to discuss such things because they have the majority's interest first as opposed to trans gender people who have their own interest in mind, of course we need someone to advocate for trans gender rights in order to be able to have a discussion on such topic. Also going to repeat my self that the needs of many outweigh the needs of the few.
--- Quote from: ursus on February 20, 2014, 02:36:02 PM ---After me stating that because gender is composed of hormone balance, social environment, and past experiences, variations in these can produce variations in gender, you said that this would simply be called a disorder. Why is it a disorder? Since you're convinced that "Jewish media" is influencing people's thoughts subliminally, it could also be supposed that portrayals of men and women in media influence men and women to act within a certain behavioral margin in real life.
This fits within your ideas that Jewish people are manipulating the world to make more money (I think it's non-specific to race, but I thought I'd incorporate your own ideas here) -- When you have the entire population drawing from only two sets of basic likes and dislikes, it's easier to sell things to them.
If someone's hormones differ naturally from birth or their behavior and thought patterns are fundamentally different because of their outside influences, how is it unreasonable to have broad gender classifications for these variations?
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Only someone as deeply deluded as you would be unable to understand why it's a disorder. The only way you would get it is if the SJW people on tumblr would tell you so for a long enough period of time.
Also you're literally retarded if you think that jews aren't overrepresented by a mile in governments, media and financial institutions. If you want to argue about jews then I would very much like you to address my previous arguments about them. All of this of course should be done in a separate thread.
--- Quote ---what constitutes a "disorder" to you?
if hormones and social context determine gender and both of those things are subject to variation, how can you say gender is still logically restricted to a binary system? if I have blue paint, yellow paint, and red paint and i only mix the yellow and blue to make green, does that mean that it's literally impossible for me to make orange or purple? just because the overwhelming majority of people fall into one of two classifications and are often forced into them does not mean that any change in this is some kind of disease. are you just under the impression that transgender people don't exist?
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When someone has some sort of physical, mental, pheromone or any kind of other defect, for example a male who likes to behave like a female due to hormone imbalance or someone with downs syndrome. You're also using a straw man to support your argument if I can even call it like that since the example you proposed doesn't really make any sense. I'm also aware that trans gender people exist because such surgery is possible.
Also nobody is forcing male and female classifications on anyone it just is how it is and you're going to have to accept it.
Sabb:
--- Quote from: Prox on February 22, 2014, 02:39:54 AM ---Also the room full of "cis-people" is qualified to discuss such things because they have the majority's interest first as opposed to trans gender people who have their own interest in mind
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B-b-back to /pol/ you go.
Prox:
--- Quote from: Sabb on February 22, 2014, 08:39:26 AM ---B-b-back to /pol/ you go.
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B-b-back to LGBT you go.
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