Controversial topics discussion thread

[pyrosheep]

FIRST TOPIC:
ABORTION.
GET AT IT.

[blαh2355]

Pro-choice kthxbye

[Tiger Guy]

Why the fuck should I care about what you do to your body.

[whagman]

not really a good controversial topic for young people

[Cake Faice]

lol, women's choice.

If they wanna abort and save their future until they're ready, then by all means, ago ahead and let them. But unfortunately, moralfags have to ruin society with everything.

[Ἆxule]

Personally, I prefer to not kill the baby. However, I can understand why people are for it.

Most of the abortions I assume would be from teenagers who are still in high school or rape victims. Yeah, I believe abortion is wrong, but I'm not going to tell these people that they can't do it purely because it's "wrong". I wouldn't want to be dealing with having a kid in high school dealing with the choice of dropping out or working and school. And I definitely wouldn't want to have a child because of a rape incident.

Point being, who am I to say that a woman can or can't do what she wants to do with her body?

[Frank]

I think it should only be taken into account in cases of rape. Because if you got pregnant because the condom broke or you thought it'd be fun to fuck without one, then get fucked by the consequences, bitch and dawg.

[Prox]

I think it should be allowed.

[Xrain]

I think abortion is wrong.

First, aborting tends to be more dangerous than going through with the regular pregnancy. The clinics often have little oversight, substandard conditions, and lack of qualification.


The biggest point is, there is no real reason to need to go through with an abortion. If you are too-young/ a victim of rape, put the kid up for adoption. There are plenty of people in this world who for whatever reason cant have kids of their own. And would love to be able to adopt a kid (There is actually a shortage of kids available for adoption). Wanting to get rid of someone just for your own sake of mind is pretty fucking selfish. If its a case of continuing the pregnancy is going to kill the mother/kid, it really isn't an abortion at that point, it's a miscarriage. Since the whole concept of an abortion is killing a fetus that if left to its own volition would develop into a healthy person.

The thing is, the kid isn't the mothers possession. No more than you guys are your parent's possession. Your parents cant just one day get tired of you, and bring you out back and put a bullet in your head. They would go to jail, or be put to death. Yes there is the difference that you have had life experiences, met people, made freinds etc. And a fetus really hasn't had the chance to do any of that. But in our system of law, we tend to find crimes against children/elderly people, much more heinous that crimes against a healthy adult, since the children/elderly have a much reduced capacity to defend themselves. (They are both bad, but one tends to get more news than another). By that standard intentionally harming an unborn child should be the most grievous crime of all.

There are already many cases in law of where a pregnant woman gets murdered, the perpetrator gets charged with first degree murder for both the mother and the unborn child. Why should it be any different, just because the mother doesn't want to deal with the hassle?

This really has just become a battle of semantics, figuring out when to call someone "alive" is pretty irrelevant. As there is really no right answer.


I don't agree with the people who go and firebomb abortion clinics either, as that is completely the wrong method to solve the problem. But I understand why they do. Think of it this way, if you truly believed that there were buildings in which mass murdering of children was taking place, is it really that crazy to want to do something about it?

[Prox]

The biggest point is, there is no real reason to need to go through with an abortion. If you are too-young/ a victim of rape, put the kid up for adoption. There are plenty of people in this world who for whatever reason cant have kids of their own. And would love to be able to adopt a kid (There is actually a shortage of kids available for adoption).

I don't know how it is in other countries but at least here, it's nothing like that.

Wanting to get rid of someone just for your own sake of mind is pretty fucking selfish.

That may not always be the case as if a teenager would get pregnant she would feel a lot of pressure from her parents and other teenagers and some of them can be very cruel which could easily cause depression, which could even possibly lead to suicide.

[Xrain]

I don't know how it is in other countries but at least here, it's nothing like that.

I will grant you that, not all countries have a similar adoption situation as we have here. That said, most countries where there is a major overpopulation problem, the people that an abortion would help the most, don't have access to the procedure.

That may not always be the case as if a teenager would get pregnant she would feel a lot of pressure from her parents and other teenagers and some of them can be very cruel which could easily cause depression, which could even possibly lead to suicide.

I don't see how this could be avoided by having an abortion. The chances of you being able to to hide a pregnancy from your parents is pretty slim. An abortion isn't something you jaunt down to the hospital in the morning and are back by noon. It's pretty medically invasive. So having an abortion probably wouldn't do much to save you from the social stigma. If you are really that mentally vulnerable that pressure from your parents and peers would lead you to suicide, you probably shouldn't be having sex in the first place. Either way there is a stigma attached to the situation abortion or not.

Honestly the situation might be easier if abortion isn't an option. Then at least there isn't a question of what needs to be done. Makes all the decisions much easier to make, rather than having to deal with a pregnancy, and whether or not you want to end it.

Part of growing up is having to start take responsibility for things, if you are a teenager and want to have sex very well! You had just better be prepared for any consequences that come of it.

Having a kid as a teenager isn't the end of the goddam world. Yes, life gets much more difficult as you now have to care for two people instead of just one. But it is entirely possible to still go through college, get the job you want, w/e. But if you want to do adult things, you better be prepared to have to act like one if the situation requires it.

[Prox]

I don't see how this could be avoided by having an abortion. The chances of you being able to to hide a pregnancy from your parents is pretty slim. An abortion isn't something you jaunt down to the hospital in the morning and are back by noon. It's pretty medically invasive. So having an abortion probably wouldn't do much to save you from the social stigma.

It couldn't be avoided but I think that it would be at least reduced.

If you are really that mentally vulnerable that pressure from your parents and peers would lead you to suicide, you probably shouldn't be having sex in the first place.

Certainly not all teenagers can understand that and it might not be always up to them, besides even some of those who aren't mentally vulnerable could break down at some point.

Part of growing up is having to start take responsibility for things, if you are a teenager and want to have sex very well! You had just better be prepared for any consequences that come of it.

From what I can tell there are quite a lot of teenagers who frankly don't give a fuck in some situations, meaning this is no different.

Having a kid as a teenager isn't the end of the goddam world. Yes, life gets much more difficult as you now have to care for two people instead of just one. But it is entirely possible to still go through college, get the job you want, w/e. But if you want to do adult things, you better be prepared to have to act like one if the situation requires it.

Yes, it's not impossible but in some countries it is much harder to live even if you have a job(unless it's a good one, not flipping noodles) and if we add college and you don't get the free spot, then you will most likely won't have enough money for it, you might not even have enough money to pay for winter season warming + other bills.

[○ Μαρία ○]

I personally think abortion is wrong, but I do take into consideration scenarios from a mothers point of view. For example, if there was an extremely high chance of my child being born with a serious disability, mental or physical,(or the mother was at risk of dying) I probably would consider it. It would be an extremely hard decision to make though because obviously I would love my child, but I also want to think what would be better for it and everyone in the long run. I know their life would be extremely difficult and I would not want to watch my child suffer and be unable to change that. Some might think that's selfish and that is not in my place to make that choice for something that can't speak for themselves, but I personally as its mother, would decide what I think would be for the best.

 I absolutely adore children and the thought of pregnancy is such a beautiful thing to me, so people who use abortion just to fix their oopsies are disgusting in my eyes. They have no remorse for their actions. Then there are women who I'm sure do it after lots of thought, and only think of the best, and usually the abortion haunts them for the rest of their lives; I know it would haunt me. And about adoption, I personally think the dumbasses that choose abortion as birth control and maybe some rape victims  should consider putting the child up for adoption instead(though they should just be careful to begin with, the dumbasses that is) but I think there are other children around the word who could use good homes as well.

People will always have different opinions on this topic though, so there is always more to add. These are just my thoughts though.

[Deathie]

I've always thought that, even the decision for legalization, should be left up to women.

I'm not the one who has to deal with carrying around a baby on my stomach for nine months.

[Xrain]

It couldn't be avoided but I think that it would be at least reduced.

I respect our differences in opinion. It's quite possible that it might in-fact do that. I however do not think that the benefits that it would provide justify the costs, when there are other viable alternatives.

Certainly not all teenagers can understand that and it might not be always up to them, besides even some of those who aren't mentally vulnerable could break down at some point.

So by this logic no one should have kids because all of us run the risk of becoming mentally unstable. If having sex isn't up to them, then it is either rape, or their parents are telling them to. In which case their parents should take fiscal responsibility for the kid.

From what I can tell there are quite a lot of teenagers who frankly don't give a fuck in some situations, meaning this is no different.

Doesn't matter how many fucks they give, the consequences will still happen. Honestly this is all the more reason not to have abortion legal, getting an abortion simply because you didn't care about the consequences before hand is a pretty terrible reason.

Yes, it's not impossible but in some countries it is much harder to live even if you have a job(unless it's a good one, not flipping noodles) and if we add college and you don't get the free spot, then you will most likely won't have enough money for it, you might not even have enough money to pay for winter season warming + other bills.

If a country has enough money to subsidize abortions, it is very likely that they have welfare systems in place as well. If the country doesn't subsidize abortions, I can't think of anywhere where an invasive medical procedure is cheaper than eating. So they likely wouldn't be able to afford to get an abortion anyway. I suppose they could take out a loan, but anyone willing to give a loan to someone who has no steady income likely is a loan shark. So the interest will be very high, the person will default on the loan. And who knows what the loan shark would do to the person.

I'm still not seeing a situation where it is economically viable for a person to get an abortion. Since any place that they could afford to do one, they also would be able to keep the kid. It might be economically draining but they aren't going to starve.

I built a house for a family in Mexico as part of a missionary trip, they had 8 kids. The man only made about 9-10 dollars a day, but he still managed to keep his family sufficiently fed.

I personally think abortion is wrong, but I do take into consideration scenarios from a mothers point of view. For example, if there was an extremely high chance of my child being born with a serious disability, mental or physical,(or the mother was at risk of dying) I probably would consider it. It would be an extremely hard decision to make though because obviously I would love my child, but I also want to think what would be better for it and everyone in the long run. I know their life would be extremely difficult and I would not want to watch my child suffer and be unable to change that. Some might think that's selfish and that is not in my place to make that choice for something that can't speak for themselves, but I personally as its mother, would decide what I think would be for the best.

This is probably one of the most convincing arguments that could be said for it.

When you start aborting kids with disabilities is really opens up a bad can of worms. The Eugenics programs of the past attempted this and they were pretty horrible things.

Honestly, I think kids with down syndrome or aspergers are pretty awesome people, their main problem is they cant communicate very effectively. I think the world would be a lesser place if we didn't have them around.