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Tiger Guy:
--- Quote from: KHMarie on July 23, 2012, 02:35:02 AM ---Oh lawd.
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Ἆxule:
--- Quote from: Tiger Guy on July 23, 2012, 02:21:40 AM ---You can say no without rhythmically slapping your kid.
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For how long, and what do you do when they disobey? Sure, you can send your child to time-out, but what do they really think? "oh, this isn't so bad. I just have to sit here for five minutes and then I can play again." Spanking (from my experiences) is more like, "shit, I don't want to punch my brother in the face anymore if my dad is going to spank me like that again."
Everything you wrote makes sense, but what I'm trying to get at is in today's society, simply spanking your kid is looked down upon by many people and it annoys me.
--- Quote from: Tiger Guy on July 23, 2012, 02:21:40 AM ---If a person does something wrong, do you rhythmically slap them, or do you tell them "No, blah blah blah". Of course you don't rhythmically slap them, because you're more likely to get your shit pushed in. Actually thinking about it, I was rhythmically slapped once by my dad. You know what I thought? Not "Oh I'm in the wrong, I'll obey you.". It was more like "Wait until I get that belt and you're going to be sorry." Even the reason of me getting rhythmically slapped was due to bias and just plain wrong.
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It depends on who it is and what age they are. Obviously I'm going to punish my 5 year old kid differently from my 15 year old younger brother.
--- Quote from: Tiger Guy on July 23, 2012, 02:21:40 AM ---Actually thinking about it, I was rhythmically slapped once by my dad. You know what I thought? Not "Oh I'm in the wrong, I'll obey you.". It was more like "Wait until I get that belt and you're going to be sorry." Even the reason of me getting rhythmically slapped was due to bias and just plain wrong.
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How old were you when this happened?
If you were around 10 and this was your first spanking, then yeah, I can sort of see why you were a bit defiant. However, when you grow up with something like that, it's part of your life style. You can't truly be mad because you knew you'd get punished for it. That conscience. "You probably don't want to talk back at dad if you don't want to get spanked again." Eventually, that becomes the norm for you. You grow up thinking, "No way in hell is my son going to talk back to me!" and so on and so forth.
When I say spanking, I mean like one or two pops. If I cursed, my dad would bring me to his room and pop my behind. I remember this one time I was playing with my brother and we were just swinging plastic swords at each other. I decided to jab him, and for whatever reason, the sword ended up going down his throat. After pulling it out and my brother ratting out on me, over exaggerating that the sword went down to his lungs, my dad proceeded to spank me twice. Did he believe my brother? Probably not the "all the way down to my lungs" part, but yes. Was I mad? a little, but more because my brother over reacted. It was never really a pop and go kind of thing though, my parents would always hug me afterwards and tell me they loved me. Maybe then I didn't care, but thinking back, I realize how much that meant to me.
--- Quote from: Tiger Guy on July 23, 2012, 02:21:40 AM ---How would you felt if you were treated like this by the government, or police? I'm not talking about rhythmic slapping, but getting the living shit beat out of you. It's not ethically right, so why is it okay if parents do it. They're basically the 'police' or 'government' of the household. I rather have a household where I can get my say into things without getting rhythmically slapped.
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There is a reason why children are spanked and not adults. Children are still learning the difference between right and wrong. Adults have already developed their personalities and traits. It's extremely more difficult to change an adult than it is a child.
--- Quote from: Tiger Guy on July 23, 2012, 02:21:40 AM ---Oh and also, about those brats. The parents more than likely had no backbone in the first place, so they wouldn't do it even if it was 'allowed'. I knew a guy that did get corporeal punishment into his teens, and he still was your typical douchebag. It really depends on your traits, it's what happens to you in your childhood that either enhance them or dull them down.
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Yes, that is true. But wouldn't they feel more comfortable if that was the norm? "Come on, everyone is doing it". Truth is, they probably wouldn't, but there would be those few who would. As for the kid who was still a douchebag, well, there are some things you can't change I suppose. But part of spanking is the approach I believe. There is going to be a different reaction from a child who is spanked by his/her father who uses spanking as a warning compared to parents who try to explain things and give a warning if the situation isn't all that bad.
Deathie:
--- Quote from: Ἆxule on July 23, 2012, 03:09:47 AM ---There is a reason why children are spanked and not adults. Children are still learning the difference between right and wrong.
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I hope you realize you just pointed out that you're teaching your kids that they'll be physically assaulted by our sworn protectors for every minor offense they commit when they grow up.
Tiger Guy:
--- Quote from: Ἆxule on July 23, 2012, 03:09:47 AM ---big wall o' text
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I've thought about this, and I've come up with that it really depends on the traits and characteristics of the certain kid.
As about it being looked down. It's like gun rights; it was an important part of our past, but it's somewhat frowned upon today, due to gun related deaths. There are some good uses for guns, but bad uses as well. This can apply to rhythmically slapping a kid. It depends on how it's done. In your case, it was a "It'll teach him to know it's wrong", not "I'm going to beat the shit out of him because I've had a bad day and I'm a straw picking son of a bitch!". It depends on how and why it's use, and the physiological effects on the kid.
--- Quote from: Death M.D. on July 23, 2012, 03:21:51 AM ---
I hope you realize you just pointed out that you're teaching your kids that they'll be physically assaulted by our sworn protectors for every minor offense they commit when they grow up.
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It depends on what type of government said person lives in by time their adult. If they live in a fair society, they won't really get punish for anything unless it's really dumb. If they live in a 1984 type government, then he's more likely to obey Big Brother if he was thought to be obedient, or he's going to be vaporized if it left bitter feels.
Ἆxule:
--- Quote from: Death M.D. on July 23, 2012, 03:21:51 AM ---
I hope you realize you just pointed out that you're teaching your kids that they'll be physically assaulted by our sworn protectors for every minor offense they commit when they grow up.
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If you're punishing them for every small thing they do. That's why I said it depends on the approach.
Of course, what is small in the sense of a child? While cursing is a big deal (for most) children, it's barely noticed amongst the older teens and adults.
It's up for the parents to decided when to give a stern talking to and a warning, or when to simply give them a smack to get the message out. That's not my business.
As for the comment about teaching my kids that they'll be physically assaulted and what not, I don't think so. I want my children to grow up not wanting to be trouble (but of course that doesn't work out so well for teenagers) and to respect the authorities. It's not the message I'm trying to send to my kids, but if fear is what they get from a simple spanking here and there, then so be it. Less trouble they'll get in.
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--- Quote from: Tiger Guy on July 23, 2012, 03:28:51 AM ---I've thought about this, and I've come up with that it really depends on the traits and characteristics of the certain kid.
As about it being looked down. It's like gun rights; it was an important part of our past, but it's somewhat frowned upon today, due to gun related deaths. There are some good uses for guns, but bad uses as well. This can apply to rhythmically slapping a kid. It depends on how it's done. In your case, it was a "It'll teach him to know it's wrong", not "I'm going to beat the shit out of him because I've had a bad day and I'm a straw picking son of a bitch!". It depends on how and why it's use, and the physiological effects on the kid.
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Exactly. It's the approach and the real reason behind it. But what parents are getting is "Don't spank your kid, it's horrible and will make him insecure and retaliate against authority figures." It's not the whole truth, and yet parents are buying it and aren't even touching their kids anymore.
But there is what you said. It really depends on who you are. No matter what happens, you'll always have those few exceptions.
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