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Title: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: Devie on October 16, 2011, 07:29:41 PM
I was just wondering, what would America be like NOW if the south won the civil war long time ago? Post below!!


I ask this because recently, proudly was working on this old couples mansion who was having a renovation. Their house was no ordinary mansion. It was one of those massive plantation homes back then. And you will be able to tell from the first house of the neighborhood that this area was a well off plantation home who was very very successful during the time it was operating.

Just from the looks of the neighborhood, there are absolutely no race other than white. Proudly only assumed this so he just brushed it off, but the eeriness only grew when he and a couple of co-workers started fixing up the house.

The old couple greeted them (proudly being white and another coworker being white along with another who was black) but they seemed kind of uneasy realizing that one of them is black. They entered the house and it just got even weirder.

There were countless statues of monkeys in... let's say slave position carrying baskets (that seemed kind of heavy because of the position of the statue) that were empty and this is where they put their keys. They were carrying baskets or holding some kind of large bag similar to those you pick fruits with and hold against the waist. I mean these monkeys werent even adorable little monkeys, they were too personified and it contained more features of a human being (other than the face) than a regular cute little monkey.

They got to the bedroom and sure enough they started to feel even more creeped out when they saw several artifacts from the civil war and confederacy written in latin. This includes a cuff button that said something in latin about the confederacy.

By this time their black coworker just decided to go out and have a breath of fresh air when a group of white children were playing around the mansion started staring at him.. and called him out and started playing tricks with him and they were basically being rude. Not sure if they're just kids being kids but when proudly went out there and the black guy went in, they called him sir and left him alone.

Not assuming anything but there can be a possibility that these fucking people could be part of the KKK or some kind of cult.

I was wondering if .. well, if the south DID win the civil war...
would I be a slave....????? LOL.... i dunno man.
(http://www.sbeckart.com/graphics/houmasp.jpg)
I do live in South Carolina, where white people are extremely racist to anyother race other than their own.
We get evil looks from people just because we are an interracial couple.
/DISCUSS.

Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: Hotgreensoldier on October 16, 2011, 07:33:58 PM
Ummmmmmmmm

tl;dr'd.

Maybe a shorter intellectual discussion?...

I hate the idea of people using other people as slaves...It's just.....Fucked up....I enjoy my freedom to the extent of risking my life for it.
Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: Devie on October 16, 2011, 07:36:23 PM
I was just wondering, what would America be like NOW if the south won the civil war long time ago? Post below!!


I was wondering if .. well, if the south DID win the civil war...

/DISCUSS.


Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: StartedBullet on October 16, 2011, 07:39:37 PM
If the south won the civil war, we would be in a much worse situation.
 
1- The fucking racists would be everywhere, too many for bullets.
2- Nazis might rule the earth. They did try to play on racisms during WW2 to hinder us, but if we were all like those southerners we might very well have helped them!
3- We would be in a much worse terrorist/war situation. Few countries would help one with slavery now, and one racism would breed another so we would piss off alot more extremists.
 
Did I mention I hate open racism? I can forgive people like my grandpa wo keep it to themselves and still treat people fairly as well as not mentioning it, even if I don't like racism.
 
These ......... craven fuckers hiding in a human shell....... might very well be part of a cult. They are most certainly racist to a large degree, and have chosen to design their house in a look speaking of plain hatred.
 
I say, that if they take part in racist organizations, to shoot them or put them in a prison cell with four large black guys untill they die.
 
Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: Doctor Who on October 16, 2011, 07:45:31 PM
Did I mention I hate open racism? I can forgive people like my grandpa who keep it to themselves and still treat people fairly as well as not mentioning it, even if I don't like racism.

I agree with this.
Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: Devie on October 16, 2011, 08:38:54 PM
If the south won the civil war, we would be in a much worse situation.
 
1- The fucking racists would be everywhere, too many for bullets.
2- Nazis might rule the earth. They did try to play on racisms during WW2 to hinder us, but if we were all like those southerners we might very well have helped them!
3- We would be in a much worse terrorist/war situation. Few countries would help one with slavery now, and one racism would breed another so we would piss off alot more extremists.
 
Did I mention I hate open racism? I can forgive people like my grandpa wo keep it to themselves and still treat people fairly as well as not mentioning it, even if I don't like racism.
 
These ......... craven fuckers hiding in a human shell....... might very well be part of a cult. They are most certainly racist to a large degree, and have chosen to design their house in a look speaking of plain hatred.
 
I say, that if they take part in racist organizations, to shoot them or put them in a prison cell with four large black guys untill they die.

Not sure if I would be a slave or killed somewhere. Shit I don't even think I would be in America if that did go down..
Anyway, yeah I hate it when white people show with no regret that they are not comfortable with anyother race than themselves.

Did I mention that I worked in a country restaurant and one family wasn't comfortable with me bringing them their food because I was not white?
They had to get another waitress (who was white) to serve it to them. I hate it here in the deep south. It feels batman when we get stared down because my boyfriend is white and I am not.

No they didn't leave me tip at all. They left a note on their bill saying thank you, not to me but to the other waitress.....
Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: Hotgreensoldier on October 16, 2011, 08:42:18 PM
That's just fucked up.

Why does it even matter that they're different colors?....Honestly...

And sexism is just fucking plain retarded. If it weren't for woman humans wouldn't be able to survive. Also, woman, from what I've seen, are smarter than men.
Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: metalbeersolid on October 16, 2011, 08:44:05 PM
Probably most of the north would go to Europe, Canada or Asia,
the new America would probably invade Canada at one point or another,
and America would do whatever the hell it felt like; including slavery among other things.
Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: Devie on October 16, 2011, 08:46:32 PM
yeah main reason I quit working there (after two weeks) was because I couldn't get comfortable enough for white people to stare at me as if I should be in a chinese restaurant working as a waitress instead of a country restaurant.

I do not like it at all :/
Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: Wafflepiezz on October 16, 2011, 08:47:40 PM
Racism and sexism still, unfortunately, exist today.
I support hotgreen's statement(s); without women, there wouldn't be humans today...and without different races, there wouldn't be such evolvement, literature and/or history, and advances in the world today.

I really don't understand why there is so much racism and sexism today.

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Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: metalbeersolid on October 16, 2011, 08:48:25 PM
yeah main reason I quit working there (after two weeks) was because I couldn't get comfortable enough for white people to stare at me as if I should be in a chinese restaurant working as a waitress instead of a country restaurant.

I do not like it at all :/

Come to Canada, it's friendlier here.
Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: Hotgreensoldier on October 16, 2011, 08:51:13 PM
Come to Canada, it's friendlier here.

Nope, come to Las Vegas.

Everyone are assholes to everyone.
Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: metalbeersolid on October 16, 2011, 08:52:13 PM
Nope, come to Las Vegas.

Everyone are assholes to everyone.

Hooray for equality!
Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: Hotgreensoldier on October 16, 2011, 08:53:45 PM
Hooray for equality!

I lol'd.

Hard.

I'm pretty sure that people would keep trying to stop slavery and racism no matter what, even if we did lose.
Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: Devie on October 16, 2011, 08:55:46 PM
How active are the white supremacy and KKK shit are these days.... lol.
In your opinion of course.
Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: metalbeersolid on October 16, 2011, 09:01:10 PM
Well, saying they don't exist any more would be ignorant as shit.
There are still little pockets of them somewhere but they are being "persecuted for their beliefs".

Racism is just plain irrational, there is no reason for it other than to assign blame.
Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: cogsandspigots on October 16, 2011, 09:08:08 PM
Man I hate people like that.
It gives Southerners bad names.
Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: Devie on October 16, 2011, 09:10:04 PM
Man I hate people like that.
It gives Southerners bad names.

thank god theyre not all like that.
It's just unsettling that you're being treated differently because you're not white.

It's not even about white/black thing.

It's just white southerners acting differently towards people who aren't white.
Just feels batman.
Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: cogsandspigots on October 16, 2011, 09:11:57 PM
thank god theyre not all like that.
It's just unsettling that you're being treated differently because you're not white.

It's not even about white/black thing.

It's just white southerners acting differently towards people who aren't white.
Just feels batman.
Being stereotyped as racist just because you are Southern feels really bad as well.
I'm not saying that you are, though.
Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: Devie on October 16, 2011, 09:13:44 PM
Being stereotyped as racist just because you are Southern feels really bad as well.
I'm not saying that you are, though.

How exactly do you get stereotyped by people around you who assume you are racist?
Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: Hotgreensoldier on October 16, 2011, 09:17:47 PM
How active are the white supremacy and KKK shit are these days.... lol.
In your opinion of course.

Not really that much.

It's just those popular groups of assholes that are the problem.

And pretty much everyone is an asshole to each other or just plain don't speak to each other if they don't know them.
Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: cogsandspigots on October 16, 2011, 09:19:33 PM
How exactly do you get stereotyped by people around you who assume you are racist?
I mean when I go somewhere besides the deep South.
Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: Devie on October 16, 2011, 09:23:18 PM
I mean when I go somewhere besides the deep South.

well yeah, but I mean how though??
How do they stereotype you to be someone who is racist because you're southern. Just curious.


Whenever a southerner goes outside of the south (like another state) they just get treated like theyre uneducated hicks who fuck their cousins just because of their southern accent. Hell that's even how it is on the internet. If you speak on the mic and you have a thick southern accent, they just start treating you like you're a redneck living in a trailer holding a banjo.
Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: Cake Faice on October 16, 2011, 09:35:40 PM
Nope, come to Las Vegas.

Everyone are assholes to everyone.

You'll love North Las Vegas.
Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: cogsandspigots on October 16, 2011, 09:47:09 PM
well yeah, but I mean how though??
How do they stereotype you to be someone who is racist because you're southern. Just curious.


Whenever a southerner goes outside of the south (like another state) they just get treated like theyre uneducated hicks who fuck their cousins just because of their southern accent. Hell that's even how it is on the internet. If you speak on the mic and you have a thick southern accent, they just start treating you like you're a redneck living in a trailer holding a banjo.
Add racist on there and you'll have exactly what I'm talking about.
My accent is pretty slight but still present, so I don't get it that often.
Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: Jhon on October 17, 2011, 02:49:10 AM
There will always be dumb people, so there will always be racism.
Atleast you aren't a Jew. The whole world hates Jews.

Black people, white, yellow and blue, they will all hate you if you're a Jew.  (Lol it rhymes.)

If there will be more black and yellow people at the south, or anywhere, then white people will eventually get used to it. Or maybe the children will be smarter than their parents and understand colour doesn't matter.
Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: Tiger Guy on October 17, 2011, 04:16:48 AM
Your average citizen 'if da souf wudda one' : (http://www.dba-oracle.com/images/red_neck_car.jpg)

GIT R DUN

Also, there isn't as many racists as you would actually think there is up here. It's just mainly brainwashed rednecks and old people. The racism is slowly fading away.

I also thought, what would be like if the south won and white people were slaves, blacks were 'master race', etc.
Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: Captain Communism on October 17, 2011, 05:21:24 AM
Not trying to derail this, but now I have a question.
What do you guys think would've happened if the Allies had lost WWI?

I personally think WWII would've happened anyways, but it would be Britain or France starting it, and the ideologies and reasons for fighting would be completely different.

But hey, at least the Holocaust probably wouldn't have happened.
Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: Don on October 17, 2011, 07:05:08 AM
Not trying to derail this, but now I have a question.
What do you guys think would've happened if the Allies had lost WWI?

I personally think WWII would've happened anyways, but it would be Britain or France starting it, and the ideologies and reasons for fighting would be completely different.

But hey, at least the Holocaust probably wouldn't have happened.

No, just no.

The allies losing WWI would've avoided World War II almost entirely, since the reason for Germany starting it was because they didn't feel like they got treated properly (and hitler just knew how what to say in what situation).
England and France didn't, don't and will never have the means of starting any war as major as World War I or II.

And the Holocaust is just ... It wasn't a thing of one man doing it entirely, it was based on thousands of years of (mostly unjustified) hatred towards jews. Hitler wasn't the only one that wanted to eliminate jews, he was just the only one that actually did it.
Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: Devie on October 17, 2011, 01:23:04 PM
I dunno how the whole world would be but I'm glad it didn't turn out that way though
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Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: ledjohnny on October 17, 2011, 03:56:55 PM
Not trying to derail this, but now I have a question.
What do you guys think would've happened if the Allies had lost WWI?

I personally think WWII would've happened anyways, but it would be Britain or France starting it, and the ideologies and reasons for fighting would be completely different.

But hey, at least the Holocaust probably wouldn't have happened.
The Germans almost won too if it wasn't for those bloody Americans and their damn dog.
Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: Cake Faice on October 17, 2011, 04:04:45 PM
The Germans almost won too if it wasn't for those bloody Americans and their damn dog.
The Japanese would almost win too if it wasn't for those meddling Americans and their damn atomic bombs.
Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: StartedBullet on October 17, 2011, 04:09:18 PM
We would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!
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Post by: ledjohnny on October 17, 2011, 04:27:42 PM
The Japanese would almost win too if it wasn't for those meddling Americans and their damn atomic bombs.
That was WWII...
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Post by: Doctor Who on October 17, 2011, 04:40:48 PM
The Germans almost won too if it wasn't for those bloody Americans and their damn dog.
The Japanese would almost win too if it wasn't for those meddling Americans and their damn atomic bombs.
(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd462/Photopanese/TheManintheCastle.png)
Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: ledjohnny on October 17, 2011, 04:41:40 PM
(http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd462/Photopanese/TheManintheCastle.png)
This and the movie "Fatherland" are good representations.

Again though WWII.
Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: Cake Faice on October 17, 2011, 04:42:43 PM
That was WWII...

Yea, that's why I was quoting your post.
Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: Cheesicle on October 17, 2011, 05:30:18 PM
A lot of you are talking as if if the South won, they would take over the whole country. But actually no, the South was not fighting to take over the US. They were fighting for their independence FROM the US, just like the US fought from the British. If the South won, the would become their own country, the CSA (Confederate States of America), just south of the USA.

But if the South had won and gained their independence, I'm fairly certain that the following things will happen:

- There will be no KKK.
- There will be MUCH more Blacks in the North, including Canada.
- Abraham Lincoln would not have been assassinated.
- The underground railroad would be in use for much longer, if not still in use.
- The CSA could/might be an ally of the Axis powers in WWII, as they share very similar ideals to those of the Nazis.

Not trying to derail this, but now I have a question.
What do you guys think would've happened if the Allies had lost WWI?

I personally think WWII would've happened anyways, but it would be Britain or France starting it, and the ideologies and reasons for fighting would be completely different.

But hey, at least the Holocaust probably wouldn't have happened.

As for this, I disagree. The main reason why Germany entered WWII was because they felt like they had been fucked over by the Allies in WWI. If they won WWI, not only would they receive money, they would not be given harsh punishments for the war. Thus, having no need for Hitler to "save" the Germans.

However, Japan would still start a war with China and America, as Japan was not hit hard by the Great Depression anyway. But because America does not need to send troops to Europe, the war with Japan will end much more quicker, and most likely no Atom Bomb will be used.
Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: Devie on October 17, 2011, 05:39:17 PM
A lot of you are talking as if if the South won, they would take over the whole country. But actually no, the South was not fighting to take over the US. They were fighting for their independence FROM the US, just like the US fought from the British. If the South won, the would become their own country, the CSA (Confederate States of America), just south of the USA.

But if the South had won and gained their independence, I'm fairly certain that the following things will happen:

- There will be no KKK.
- There will be MUCH more Blacks in the North, including Canada.
- Abraham Lincoln would not have assassinated.
- The underground railroad would be in use for much longer, if not still in use.
- The CSA could/might be an ally of the Axis powers in WWII, as they share very similar ideals to those of the Nazis.

so... where would WE be ?? (azns)
we haz slave too?! OH NO :O
Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: Cheesicle on October 17, 2011, 05:41:06 PM
so... where would WE be ?? (azns)
we haz slave too?! OH NO :O

Depends where your ancestors came from and how your family ended up in the South. Most likely, you would have ended up in California instead of the South, as California is still part of the USA, and it is closer to Asia than the other states.
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Post by: ledjohnny on October 17, 2011, 05:41:37 PM
so... where would WE be ?? (azns)
we haz slave too?! OH NO :O
sex sax slave.
Title: Re: hey, let's have an intellectual discussion yeah?
Post by: Tomcat on October 17, 2011, 05:47:58 PM
Milwaukee would still be the most segregated city in the USA

(http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/milwaukee.jpg)

I live south east of the mexicans
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Post by: Seb on October 17, 2011, 05:57:53 PM
If I was a Southern slave owner I would've been a bro to my slaves. I'd have educated them, maybe given some help with the chores, treat them as family, they'd basically be like maids nowadays.
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Post by: Cheesicle on October 17, 2011, 06:01:03 PM
If I was a Southern slave owner I would've been a bro to my slaves. I'd have educated them, maybe given some help with the chores, treat them as family, they'd basically be like maids nowadays.

I would to, except that they wouldn't really be "slaves" anymore
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Post by: Devie on October 17, 2011, 06:11:31 PM
believe it or not, there were rich families who were like that.
Treated them equally and respected them. Mainly because when they were kids, they were raised by them and grew up to be loving towards them even though their parents werent. They basically got attached when they were young.

Gave them a house and whatever they wanted as long as they stayed with them.

It's pretty nice to know that there were some who were like that.
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Post by: ledjohnny on October 17, 2011, 08:35:37 PM
If I was a Southern slave owner I would've been a bro to my slaves. I'd have educated them, maybe given some help with the chores, treat them as family, they'd basically be like maids nowadays.
Sunday, Monday - Happy Slaves
Tuesday, Wednesday - Happy Slaves
Thursday, Friday - Happy Slaves

I got slaves you got slaves! These slaves work for usssss.

Loljk, it is nice some people gave them education, etc

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Post by: ·UηİŦ·· on October 19, 2011, 03:10:41 PM
Probably most of the north would go to Europe, Canada or Asia,
the new America would probably invade Canada at one point or another,
and America would do whatever the hell it felt like; including slavery among other things.

"The new America would probably invade Canada at one point or another..."

That would be interesting to watch ._.

Like the new CSA invades Canada- oh but wait, in this timeline, Canada is still ruled by the Red Coats cause Canada is Britain's babby... But then even Canada isn't even officially Canada yet.

That could mean infinite outcomes for the Government and whether or not the Former Northern USA Melds with Canada or completely took over the British/French Coloknees.

And as you know, the incredible tension would occur; Natives, Francophones, Anglophones, Former Slaves, and now the Former USA Citizens all under one roof. Hot Damn. (Not to Forget like other Minority Citizens and stuff but ofc History Books like to put emphasis on the whole Slavery thing during the 1800s. And you know, just general racial tension. Slavery is recent, and the Natives are probably biased because of the things that did happen, and it doesn't even have to be the "white peoples" that are racist, could be the other way around. Doesn't even have to be everybody to be something monumental, just like real life ._.)

But you never know, the off chance that somehow everyone just holds hands is nice.

ANYWAYS let's assume that for the most part everyone holds hands in the newly-Reformed Borealia- I mean Canada (Well Canada could be any other name because the Civil war Ends in 1865, and The Confedorashun of what is now Canada occurs in 1867; any of these drastic changes like refugees from the CSA can change things, votes, rights, everything, right? Correct me as I am not American or know American History like here for obvious raisins.)

So then, let's just Call it Borealia for kicks cause it's Alternate land and everything's a backwards fuck. Assume Quebec is still Frenchy and Ontario is still all Britsy, and Nova Scotia and New Brunswick are still just chillin as they are generally. What do the CSA peoples do when Britain and France get the fuck mad at them?

Do they call in those navies? New World War? World Wars? That would be something to see. Like, imagine if CSA invaded Anglo-Borealia, and then turned "us" against Quebec. This launches the former Triple Entente into Chaos as Former Allies France and Britain Beat eachother shitless for betraying 'eachother', even though we know why this shit happens. And then relations dissove (If there were any at the time) Between Ontario and Quebec.

"VOUS ET VOTRE PEUPLE SONT INUTILES! MERDE!"

"YOU BLOODY BLOKES THINK YOU OUGHT TO GET OFF WITH A STATEMENT LIKE THAT 'GAINST OUR QUEEN? OI! 'S WAR THEN, YEAH!"

Would there be a Hitler-Like figure during the invasion and annexations? Killing off the French Colonists/Maitee/Native/Black/Asian/Hispanic etc peoples like WWII? And what would happen if CSA Rapes Borealia for it's land and resources and work force to invade Mexico, and then South America?

What even about the Central Powers? Do -They- turn into like America during WWI and WWII (Bombs, Winning, General Awesomeness etc)? After all, Germany (Because well Germany was pretty much head of everything after what was Austria-Hungary just told them to shoot someoen in the faec) DID get like the U-boat and Incredible Tanks... and Machine guns. Even before Hitler and dose Nazis.

And gas, however unethical. We all know how effective those were. Imagine if they honed it because it was necessary to stop riots? Benevolent Police Nation? (Is that even Possible?) Are they then the force that negotiates with Russia to upholster peace due to new arising circumstances (Obviously, who's an enemy if the guys on the same team start fighting next door?) and then develop what is a splitting image of American Pride, or does Germany go for the ruthless "Take over the world" Deal and accomplish it by using Russia and Squashing everyone else?

And what does Russia do, then, if the Central Powers don't do jack shit? Who do they halp if they choose to do so? What about Communism, too? They've got big armies so I doubt for anything that France is going to force them to fight for France (as France is pretty much on land, unlike the Silly Englishmen).

DO they even aspire to 'take over the world' when the initial conflict for WWI doesn't happen as it did because 1865-1914 never happened as it did (and thus the idea is never coaxed out of them due to wartime), or does the idea come about anyways regardless? Does Hitler just become a painter? A good one? lol

Something to think about.