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Title: Giving an innocent the traitor's knife.
Post by: memo3300 on May 29, 2011, 10:53:53 PM
Soo... i was playing TTT after months of not being able to play, and i find this lil' problem.

One guy was saying that Xrain told him that a tratitor giving a innocent his knife wasn't something bad.

But, teeny said that we shouldn't listen to xrain if he said that, and that if we do it we will get banned.

For meh, I belive giving away the knife is wrong, and making it bannable would prevent having to hear a guy raging because he lost karma or got RDMed for something unfair.

anyways, what do you guys think?

Title: Re: Giving innocent traitors knife.
Post by: jimonions on May 29, 2011, 10:56:56 PM
counts as ghosting, in my opinion is bannable.
Title: Re: Giving innocent traitors knife.
Post by: Deacon on May 29, 2011, 10:59:19 PM
Quote from: Guillermo on May 29, 2011, 10:53:53 PM
Soo... i was playing TTT after months of not being able to play, and i find this lil' problem.

One guy was saying that Xrain told him that a tratitor giving a innocent his knife wasn't something bad.

But, teeny said that we shouldn't listen to xrain if he said that, and that if we do it we will get banned.

For meh, I belive giving away the knife is wrong, and making it bannable would prevent having to hear a guy raging because he lost karma or got RDMed for something unfair.

anyways, what do you guys think?

I don't think xrain said this and if he did then i'm afraid i would have to disagree.
Working with T's as innocent IS bannable.
And giving the innocent the knife will only get them killed by the other innocents. Or they will use it on the other innocents.
Its just going to cause a problem with false traitors and karma baiting (eg, trolling)
Title: Re: Giving innocent traitors knife.
Post by: ursus on May 29, 2011, 11:24:50 PM
Teaming up is a ban.
Ghosting is a ban.
Anything that deviates from the normal rules and game mechanics is a ban.
Title: Re: Giving innocent traitors knife.
Post by: Deathie on May 30, 2011, 01:42:58 AM
I actually worked out a strategy becuase people do this so often.


> I'm a traitor
> Run around with knife
> go "I FOUND IT ON THE FLOOR"
> everyone believes you

Seriously.
Title: Re: Giving innocent traitors knife.
Post by: Orgazmo on May 30, 2011, 01:46:01 AM
I could see how giving an innocent a knife and "teaming up" would be bad but I would think leaving a knife on the ground to be picked up in certain situations would be a legitimate strategy to cause confusion and disarray in the ranks of the innocents before or while you strike.
Title: Re: Giving innocent traitors knife.
Post by: Moo on May 30, 2011, 02:12:35 AM
k lets clear this up

a traitor giving an innocent a knife, BOTH KNOWING... is not ghosting, there are no dead(ghosts) involved in the situation
this is not allowed, the game mode was not designed for traitors and innocents/detectives to team up

and to Orgazmo, yeah if a traitor wants to leave his knife behind for a RANDOM player to pick it up without anyone knowing, then thats fine
Title: Re: Giving innocent traitors knife.
Post by: Deacon on May 30, 2011, 03:07:48 AM
Quote from: Orgazmo on May 30, 2011, 01:46:01 AM
I could see how giving an innocent a knife and "teaming up" would be bad but I would think leaving a knife on the ground to be picked up in certain situations would be a legitimate strategy to cause confusion and disarray in the ranks of the innocents before or while you strike.

this makes sense
not like "oh hey <name> here have fun" and then drop the knife
Title: Re: Giving innocent traitors knife.
Post by: This Toast on May 30, 2011, 04:04:22 AM
Ghosting. You chat with people on steam to know that they are the T. My opinion.
Title: Re: Giving innocent traitors knife.
Post by: cogsandspigots on May 30, 2011, 07:38:15 AM
1. Be innocent
2. Kill T or find knife
3. Throw a knife a the detective with Q
4.  ???
5. Profit
Title: Re: Giving innocent traitors knife.
Post by: Shawn on May 30, 2011, 07:42:57 AM
Quote from: Deacon on May 29, 2011, 10:59:19 PM
I don't think xrain said this and if he did then i'm afraid i would have to disagree.

Xrain did say this he has strictly forbidding me and Bip from banning/kicking anyone from doing this.
Title: Re: Giving innocent traitors knife.
Post by: Sabb on May 30, 2011, 12:58:16 PM
To OP:
What Moo had said.
It's teaming, and isn't allowed.
Many bans were given out for it before.
Title: Re: Giving innocent traitors knife.
Post by: ursus on May 30, 2011, 01:50:30 PM
Has anyone else noticed
>innocent traitors
I'm kind of wondering what Xrain would say.
Title: Re: Giving innocent traitors knife.
Post by: Wafflepiezz on May 30, 2011, 02:00:07 PM
The guy who Xrain told was me. I was playing with somebody and he said in GLOBAL CHAT to come over to him. He dropped his knife right in front of me and gave it to me.
Ghosting = Letting others know who the T's are

In this case, he did NOT tell me anything else. He just said "Here have a knife". I thought he might have been inno, since a T already died and he might have picked the knife up from the dead T. So I didn't kill him for the sakes of my karma.

I can't clarify well at the moment because I'm multi-tasking...someone else please clarify up for me if you have time...
Title: Re: Giving innocent traitors knife.
Post by: Seb on May 30, 2011, 07:02:52 PM
Quote from: Orgazmo on May 30, 2011, 01:46:01 AM
I could see how giving an innocent a knife and "teaming up" would be bad but I would think leaving a knife on the ground to be picked up in certain situations would be a legitimate strategy to cause confusion and disarray in the ranks of the innocents before or while you strike.

That's exactly what happened a few weeks ago. >:D
Title: Re: Giving innocent traitors knife.
Post by: bipolardiz on May 30, 2011, 09:43:32 PM
Yes, as Shawn said, Shawn and myself were strictly told not to ban/kick for the giving of knifes to inno's by Xrain. With that said it may have been a bit of a troll. Didn't sound 100% serious.

@Moo, I 100% agree.

MY opinion on the matter is quite simple. With perm karma and the high likelyhood of lossing karma as the result of this it shouldnt be allowed. In my case with shawn where this all really started. Waffle was given a knife by his T buddy and then shawn killed waffle because he had a knife. Then I killed shawn after seeing him kill waffle who was inno. With that said it is completely unneeded. If you are that bored of TTT and you can't wait for a T round go play CS:S where you always have a knife.
Title: Re: Giving innocent traitors knife.
Post by: Wafflepiezz on May 31, 2011, 06:17:37 PM
And that is exactly what happened I think, but as Minic said, this gives an advantage to Traitors.
Title: Re: Giving innocent traitors knife.
Post by: bipolardiz on May 31, 2011, 07:25:12 PM
Quote from: Wafflepiezz on May 31, 2011, 06:17:37 PM
And that is exactly what happened I think, but as Minic said, this gives an advantage to Traitors.

It can be done I think if the inno doesn't know who the T was. But the wayyou described it, you knew full well who the T was and did nothing about it.
Title: Re: Giving innocent traitors knife.
Post by: Seb on May 31, 2011, 07:48:46 PM
Okay, so...

1) Giving knife to innos as T = not cool

2) Leaving knife around for inno to find = its k
Title: Re: Giving innocent traitors knife.
Post by: Deacon on June 01, 2011, 02:05:31 AM
Quote from: Mercutio on May 31, 2011, 07:48:46 PM
Okay, so...

1) Giving knife to innos as T = not cool

2) Leaving knife around for inno to find = its k

THIS

/thread
Title: Re: Giving innocent traitors knife.
Post by: yoshi on June 01, 2011, 03:23:00 AM
Quote from: Mercutio on May 31, 2011, 07:48:46 PM
Okay, so...

1) Giving knife to innos as T = not cool

2) Leaving knife around for inno to find = its k

This thread actually gave a me an idea for the knife thing...

A trap! A inno finds it on the floor. I hide behind something. he picks it up and i shoot him in the head.
Title: Re: Giving innocent traitors knife.
Post by: Deacon on June 01, 2011, 03:24:07 AM
Quote from: Kyle on June 01, 2011, 03:23:00 AM
This thread actually gave a me an idea for the knife thing...

A trap! A inno finds it on the floor. I hide behind something. he picks it up and i shoot him in the head.

You know what would be quicker

a knife
Title: Re: Giving innocent traitors knife.
Post by: bipolardiz on June 01, 2011, 11:02:35 AM
Quote from: Deacon on June 01, 2011, 03:24:07 AM
You know what would be quicker

a knife

yes but if you are like me, the knife always has a special person in mind to go deep inside. So doing that would save my precious for that special someone!!!!! MUHAHAhahaHAHAhahahah
Title: Re: Giving innocent traitors knife.
Post by: Wafflepiezz on June 01, 2011, 06:30:25 PM
Or my strategy if you are a T:

-Attack your friend while creeping them out saying you have a surprise for them
-Surprise /knife
-Profit/Screams from thier Mics

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Giving innocent traitors knife.
Post by: Foofoojack on June 01, 2011, 11:05:57 PM
Quote from: Wafflepiezz on June 01, 2011, 06:30:25 PM
Or my strategy if you are a T:

-Attack your friend while creeping them out saying you have a surprise for them
-Surprise /knife
-Profit/Screams from thier Mics

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

LOL like polka
"hey polka you want a sharp hug?"
Title: Re: Giving innocent traitors knife.
Post by: Repulse on June 02, 2011, 01:09:45 AM
I realise something...see the topic: giving innocent traitors knife....dont u mean innocent terrorist knife ? :idk:
Title: Re: Giving innocent traitors knife.
Post by: Hitman on June 02, 2011, 02:02:52 AM
Quote from: Repulse on June 02, 2011, 01:09:45 AM
I realise something...see the topic: giving innocent traitors knife....dont u mean innocent terrorist knife ? :idk:
"Giving an innocent the traitor's knife." should be the title IMO.
Title: Re: Giving innocent traitors knife.
Post by: Repulse on June 02, 2011, 02:31:22 AM
Quote from: Francis on June 02, 2011, 02:02:52 AM
"Giving an innocent the traitor's knife." should be the title IMO.
yeah it should be that but suite urself
Title: Re: Giving an innocent the traitor's knife.
Post by: memo3300 on June 02, 2011, 02:36:07 AM
changed it so you guys can stop complaining

/thread.

so...
Quote from: Mercutio on May 31, 2011, 07:48:46 PM
1) Giving knife to innos as T = not cool

2) Leaving knife around for inno to find = its k

... i think we can lock this thread now?
Title: Re: Giving innocent traitors knife.
Post by: Hotgreensoldier on June 02, 2011, 08:32:04 AM
Quote from: Wafflepiezz on June 01, 2011, 06:30:25 PM
Or my strategy if you are a T:

-Attack your friend while creeping them out saying you have a surprise for them
-Surprise /knife
-Profit/Screams from thier Mics


He always does this to me -_- he just says "Hey Hotgreen, I have a surprise for you!" and then i'm just yelling out NO NO NO NO NO NO NOOOOOO *slice*
Title: Re: Giving an innocent the traitor's knife.
Post by: blαh2355 on June 02, 2011, 10:27:44 AM
The roflknife demands blood. See? Listen to it. :knife:
Title: Re: Giving an innocent the traitor's knife.
Post by: Xrain on June 03, 2011, 07:03:05 PM
Allow me to clear up my intentions with what I said.

"Teaming up" with the T to go around and kill other innocents is not allowed. However there is nothing wrong with the T giving his knife to a random player.
If he want to take the disadvantage of the innocents having a knife and him not, I see no problem with that.

Example:

No Problem:
" T runs around, sees random player, hands innocent the knife and runs away making sounds like Dr. Zoidberg, Innocent looks around rather confused"

Problem:
"T goes to player, hands player knife, Innocent befriends T and works to undermine other innocents, or fails to do his best to kill said T."


This is what my intentions were when I said whatever I said that day. I apologize if it caused any confusion.
Title: Re: Giving an innocent the traitor's knife.
Post by: bipolardiz on June 03, 2011, 08:13:12 PM
Quote from: Xrain on June 03, 2011, 07:03:05 PM
Allow me to clear up my intentions with what I said.

"Teaming up" with the T to go around and kill other innocents is not allowed. However there is nothing wrong with the T giving his knife to a random player.
If he want to take the disadvantage of the innocents having a knife and him not, I see no problem with that.

Example:

No Problem:
" T runs around, sees random player, hands innocent the knife and runs away making sounds like Dr. Zoidberg, Innocent looks around rather confused"

Problem:
"T goes to player, hands player knife, Innocent befriends T and works to undermine other innocents, or fails to do his best to kill said T."


This is what my intentions were when I said whatever I said that day. I apologize if it caused any confusion.

Yeah I didnt get that out of what you said but im glad it was all some confused misconception! What you said sounds good to me!